Its fecking hard following the ball with your foot underneath the defenders foot. There was enough contact to impede his run and therefore it was a penalty........not enough contact to make it look like he had been shot though.
Smashley Young
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Its fecking hard following the ball with your foot underneath the defenders foot. There was enough contact to impede his run and therefore it was a penalty........not enough contact to make it look like he had been shot though.
Thats where I stand on it. Some of the problem in these discussions is that people like United more than they like the game, which is fecked up.
Well no, my point was specifically about diving. I agree, if people want to wail in outrage every week while absolutely sod all changes then they should be free to do so, but diving has been around since the year zero and it's not going anywhere. The whole "Team X got a decision! Player Y dived!" malarkey is just so boring, it should be left to Jamie Redknapp and the like to beat it into the ground. But hey ho.
Clever, editing someone's post like that. It's clear you'll go far in life.
Grand, you are entitled to that view but no way is your assertion that it happened more in days gone even approaching being right. Can you name a United striker who went to ground easy or was it just Ian Rush?
It's not a criminal offense in Russia apparently... fair fecks to them
I was merely agreeing with you.
It really hasn't. It's not that long ago that going down or appearing to be injured was a sign of a player being "soft."
Ok fine. Violating someone's human rights is no worse than giving a ref a decision to make on a football field. Fair enough. Ashley Young, Ratko Mladic, Pol Pot they're all the same. Actually no lets face it Young is worse cos Young not only plays for the red devils he is the devil. That contact he made with the player today that wasn't actually his foot touching the guy at all we just thought that cos Young used his special powers like Damian from the Omen.
This is my last post on this incident in this thread. Next time I make any comments about Young it will be on the quality of his football, which today was actually pretty good not the way he has apparently thrown the universe out of whack with his abominable behaviour.
I'm not against the odd dive, but with regards to English football that is just plain wrong. There was the odd exception to the rule, but it is a recent enough development.
wtf? So people arent allowed to touch each other in football now? Have you ever played the game?
For me, its a dive whenever a player isnt attempting not to fall when he easily could have kept his balance. Young clearly dived today.
I asked that indirectly and he didn't like it. Competitive football at low levels is almost 70 a full contact sport with some football in spells.
but it was illegal contact though.
In that Young played the man instead of chasing the ball? Harsh but probably right.
The Villa lad didn't even stick a foot out Young just saw his foot there and decided there was an oppurtunity to throw himself to the floor. Don't know why there are people trying to defend it.
I agree. He tried to tackle and there was contact. If that's all it takes there would be a penalty every 10 mins. I'm not saying Young is anything other than committed to our cause, but it's fairly obvious in my opinion that he manufactued that penalty.
If its so boring to you the why are you even taking part in this discussion?
Some of us think diving is a big issue. To me its an aspect that could easily ruin the game if its being left unattended, and Ill bang on about it every time it happens. If everyone just shuts up, as you suggested, then nothing would ever be done. Its a stupid way to look at an issue. Just because something hasnt been done yet doesnt mean people should stop bringing it up as a problem.
Because there was contact with the other foot before that. Fact is it was a penalty, if he hadn't of dragged his second foot into the defenders foot and then hit the ground in a theatrical manor would we still have got the penalty? Probably not. This is the current state of then game. Accept it and be pleased we got the correct decision.
Fact is the ref gave a penalty but what is also a fact is that whether it was or not is widely disputed.
In that Young played the man instead of chasing the ball? Harsh but probably right.
seeing it in real time..I shouted penalty before the ref pointed to the spot.
seeing it in slow motion I said 'dive'
heck..what can you do eh?
seeing it in real time..I shouted penalty before the ref pointed to the spot.
seeing it in slow motion I said 'dive'
heck..what can you do eh?
My first thought when watching in real time was "not again."
I dont buy it, the defender didn't try stop him if anything he was trying to pull his foot out the way and Young just went flying. Im happy we won, but i'm not happy to see a United player doing that for the second week running. We can win without the theatrics
mate there's contact all the time in football. Not all contact is a foul.
seeing it in real time..I shouted penalty before the ref pointed to the spot.
seeing it in slow motion I said 'dive'
heck..what can you do eh?
Pray for 4 more in the coming weeks. I still say he dived, but if anyone would rather not win the title than someone take a dive they are mental.
If you are not up for a debate maybe a forum is not the best place for you. End of.
Well English football isn't anything like it was back when there was "no diving". It is a world game, with the Premier league played mostly by foreigners, so it's more relevant to point out that diving has been around for much longer than it hasn't, in world football.
Always up for a debate but in the rules of the game it doesn't matter how small the contact if you don't win the ball it's a foul.
Yes after the initial foul, Young went looking for more contact and took a dive but the initial contact was there and it was a foul.
Aye and in other countries it's discussed openly. Discussing diving in Britain is lke discussing sex under the rule of the catholic church, so much judgement and guilt.
The ABC brigade - A Bloody Cheat.
"Left unattended" ?
How much impact is moaning about it on a forum gonna have? You achieve nothing. People have been saying the same tired shit for years and nothing's changed.
Also, the point about a forum is to engage opinions that aren't the same as your own, so telling me not to post in this thread is a bit ridiculous. But you are just as welcome to ignore my posts, so carry on.
Nope.
Right, can someone get this section of the rules that says football is a non contact sport. Are you really saying none of our defenders have ever touched an oponnent in the box when they haven't won the ball?
Well, discussions should be meaningful and with the possibility of leading to change. Discussions about diving in football are nothing like that, it just becomes fans accusing other teams' players of cheating. The reality is that if football managers, players, and the people in the game believe there is action to be taken, they should do it; but it's the perpetual whinging with nothing getting done that I find pointless.
Lads, give it up, All 3 United already said "end of".
Thread closed.
Thread closed.
I agree.
If you get the ball first no foul (unless there is a silly follow through) If you get the man first, foul. These are the rules and for me the decision was the correct one.
Point us to the rule that says what you just typed.
I don't think they are the rules to be honest. Can you find them?