What I dont get is Derry's reaction: he just walked off without a murmur. No arguing, no pleading, no haranging the ref, just walked off straight away like a batsman who just got the worst lbw decision ever and cant show any dissent. Very unusual indeed.
Smashley Young
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Couldn't care if he dived. Derry shouldn't have given the referee a decision to make.
He probably knew himself that arguing with the refs about these decision doesn't make them change their mind. Arguing with him would've been useless and a waste of time. I'd rather see more players do this instead of constantly complaining even when it's an obvious red card.
It was a good reaction. Once the red is shown, there's no point in debating it. Some players just know that and walk off.
I really don't think he did give the referee a decision to make, he was firstly a mile offside and secondly should have been booked for diving. If that can be classed as giving the referee a decision to make, then the referee has a decision to make for 5-10 potential penalties every game.
I was personally pretty embarrassed. We would have won the game irrespective after the start we had and probably by an even greater margin, given that they would have been more attacking with 11 men.
Still, it highlights the reason that people do dive, because they know incompetent referee's are far more likely to reward it with a penalty, than "punish" it with a yellow card (which isn't much of a punishment anyway).
Was a terrible dive and a bit embaressing to watch. The ref should really have seen it.
But, who cares, 3 points.
And it will drive the conspiracy theories even more wild!
But, who cares, 3 points.
And it will drive the conspiracy theories even more wild!
What a weird statement. So if Suarez would have done the same you wouldnt have cared either? Or is it just cause you have the red tinted specs on?
Seems like a fair amount of fans do. We're the first one to point the finger at Suarez or Gerrard for the constant diving - so we should have the same standards for our players. I personally dont want United players to fake injury, to be unsporting, to dive, etc. We're good enough to win without cheating
Yeh he shouldnt have done it.
But im not going to be pissed off about the fact we won!
But im not going to be pissed off about the fact we won!
He goes down too easily quite often. He needs to stop it.
Cringeworthy to watch him go down so easily.
Hopefully someone (SAF or Rio) has a word with him.
Hopefully someone (SAF or Rio) has a word with him.
Naughty from Young , we'll be seething the next time that happens with ourselves as the victims - and it will happen.
I thought it was tw*ttish of him - if that's how he feels we have to win games,
then he's out of order - what sort of spectacle are we going to be watching if players continue to be rewarded for Tom Daley impressions?
I thought it was tw*ttish of him - if that's how he feels we have to win games,
then he's out of order - what sort of spectacle are we going to be watching if players continue to be rewarded for Tom Daley impressions?
interesting that Fergie would have preferred that it remained at 11v11 as he felt United played better, with more urgency against 11 men than they did with 10
Hands are always used to get position. If you play any game back and watch, not every time a hand touches an opponent a free is given. Young cheated, lot's do. If you feel any touch is a transgression, I think that's your interpretation rather than an actual rule. It's a steaming pile of hypocrtical shit. Players, managers and fans all contributing but all gladly blaming the 'inept' officials.
I think he was diplomatically trying to play down the effect of the dive. I don't actually mind the diving as much as the bollox that surrounds it.
what does that tell you? he knew he'd caught his foot and he knew he grabed the shirt. End. Credit to him going quietly but he knew he had given the ref little choice.
exactly - more to the point perhaps, the lino shouldn't've given the ref a decision to make
why are we still agonising over this ?? we've had and will have plenty to complain about. We do seem to have done ok this season but it is not the norm. In fact, look at "The Right Result" (I haven't lately) and others like it and we're probably not even in credit. It just feels like it in comparison with most seasons.
Unusual but right. How often does screaming at the ref work?
He's 87, by that point most people have learnt a little fatalism
Denis', it's only you still going on about his foot!
He dived, so what? Do you think that any of our rivals would prefer holding the moral ground then winning honours? I much doubt it. FFS we've seen players passing the ball straight to opposition to make sure that such team gets the three points needed to remain in the league title tie against us. Not to forget the amount of diving being made in Spain, Italy and France. Do you think the likes of Suarez, Ibra, Iniesta and co wouldn't mind 'diving' just to get the result they need against us? If yes then you're living in la la land.
Who cares about diving? If the FIFA/UEFA seriously want to eliminate it then they would have introduced technology and eliminate it once and for all. Until then let the farce continue. What I care about is the trophies in the cabinet. How we get it, is none of my business.
Who cares about diving? If the FIFA/UEFA seriously want to eliminate it then they would have introduced technology and eliminate it once and for all. Until then let the farce continue. What I care about is the trophies in the cabinet. How we get it, is none of my business.
You know that phrase "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em"? Well, we can beat 'em, so we really have no need to join 'em. And that's why a lot of us are embarrassed.
So diving is now ok since it won us the game.... Interesting turn, will point that out next time in the Suarez thread.
Talking about double standards...
Talking about double standards...
That is the sentiment I agree with, QPR where there for the beating. The swan dive killed the match as a contest, which was unnessercary.
But Young didn't give the penalty, or not give the offside. Not that I'm criticising the officialls, although it was their fault, but lots of players dive unfortunatly, lots of players go down without being touched and actually think they have. Lots of players do get fouled, and then go down that little bit more so that the ref knows it.
What Young is, is shit at going down.
After the lip we give Suarez, Gerrard, and La Liga on here, it's hypocritical to defend Young
Like Fletcher against Arsenal in 09.
Hadn't thought about that for a while... no CL final for Fletcher yet... and he took it so increibly graciously.
I have an appreciation for those who face the facts, refs don't go back on their decisions like that... and if they did you'd respect them less... Unless of course it's due to a lino giving him some new input, or something.
Diving bugs me whether it's us or other teams. But it's one of those things that is never going to be eradicated so I just watch it and accept that every team has players that do it.
While the diving in and of itself is obviously wrong, the officials also have to look at the fact that all too often they don't give a free/peno unless the player goes to ground, which means they have to exaggerate the contact to make sure of it. That ought to change.
While the diving in and of itself is obviously wrong, the officials also have to look at the fact that all too often they don't give a free/peno unless the player goes to ground, which means they have to exaggerate the contact to make sure of it. That ought to change.
I'm not defending Young, but Derry shouldn't have touched him. What is worse losing a goal or potentially losing a player?
Thats all he did, touch him. If penalties were given for that we would (no exageration) be talking about 30 penalties a game.
Never a pen and I hope for QPR's sake the red is rescinded.
I'm not defending his going down on Sunday, it was wrong, and I hope he understands that.
However, I will defend him as a player / man compared to serial divers such as Suarez and Gerrard.
It's practically impossible to find a forward in the game who hasn't once or twice gone down too easily under minimal contact, and who knows what goes through their minds at the crucial moment.
However, it's the repeat offenders, who are looking to go down as soon as they get near the box, and who end up diving without there even being contact, who should receive our real disdain. These people clearly premeditate and use cheating as a planend tactic.
Sorry but Young's a repeat offender. He's been doing it since his Watford days. Hard to change that habit now.
Seriously, Young really pissed me off with that dive.
There is absolutely no need to dive in the 15th minute of a game which should be as big a 'straightforward win' as you can possibly get, after completely dominating them in the opening periods with possession circulating around 90%.
More fuel for all the conspiracy morons out there and another way to discredit our achievements this year. The 95th minute of a crucial tie and you can make arguments about him just doing everything he can to win, but to do it so unnecessarily against some relative minnows so early just makes us look like cheats.
I like Young, but he really needs to cut the bollocks out.
There is absolutely no need to dive in the 15th minute of a game which should be as big a 'straightforward win' as you can possibly get, after completely dominating them in the opening periods with possession circulating around 90%.
More fuel for all the conspiracy morons out there and another way to discredit our achievements this year. The 95th minute of a crucial tie and you can make arguments about him just doing everything he can to win, but to do it so unnecessarily against some relative minnows so early just makes us look like cheats.
I like Young, but he really needs to cut the bollocks out.
The FA have rejected QPR's appeal over Derry's red card. I'm lost for words...
I would just like some openess and consistency. I don't see diving as the non British scourge that it has been traditionally portayed. When I played I was a small tricky forward playing in Ireland and got kicked to feck week in week out,. eventually getting so badly injured at 19 I had to quit. Diving is nowhere near in terms of cheating in my opinion, that yet these big cnuts were encouraged from the sidelines to get stuck in.
Back on topic, what kills me is that the false morality that is brought into it. The faux outrage and hypocrisy.
Have seen worse pens given, but the sending off was a complete joke.
Yeah, that's the main one. There are little entrenched norms like "not ruining a game" by sending someone off early that come up time and again (see De Jong's 'tackle' in the WC) and yet almost every time there's a different response.
Thats fecking pathetic.
It is because there was contact. Ridiculous, but that's what the game has become.
That's a joke. Itll add weight to the ridiculous conspiracy theorists. I can't see any grounds for it. The offside previous to it, the lack of any real contact. What a farce.
Crazy.
Totally agree. Unbelievable decision