Very frustrating player.
Smashley Young
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First game back from injury. Not fully match fit.
First game back since his injury. Will take him a game or 2 to get back upto pace. He was average today. Didnt do anything wrong, but also didnt give us much bar that shot he had. All in all its valuable minutes for him.
The lads just come back from a long lay-off. Takes a number of games to get your rhythm back.
Did you not witness the enigma that was Florent Malouda??
What bullshit.
If Rooney had just been a yard further ahead and tapped in the rebound from that shot in the first half, you'd probably be chief muppet in the Young-for-man-of-the-match campaign.
Btw - he made and completed more tackles than Giggs or Carrick, despite playing a lot less of the match.
Not a fan of Young, find him to be too predictable and average, however you can't judge him on today's performance especially with him coming back after an injury.
Anyhow, was surprised SAF picked him today, thought he would start from the bench...
Anyhow, was surprised SAF picked him today, thought he would start from the bench...
I believed that as early as pre season, I am still waiting for him to prove me wrong.
I thought it was a solid first match back, not exactly an easy place to go in cold.
maybe park would have been the better option to start the game instead of young. surprised when park was not in the starting line up, considering how well he has performed against chelsea in the past.
good to have young back, but he was poor yesterday.
good to have young back, but he was poor yesterday.
A conservative left winger, if there is such a thing. A tidy game but not much attacking threat.
Our wing-game hasn't really worked today..........i really thought Valencia and Young can do more againt Chelsea's full-backs.
I was disappointed with Valencia more then Young in that regard. With the form that he's in, and the fact that Boswinga was filling in on the wrong side, you'd have thought he'd have gone to town on him.
I think someone must have told Boswinga to remain 2 yards away from Valencia at all times and never dive in regardless of whether he thought he could get the ball or not... Valencia seemed to turn back and forth a lot when he had the ball, and was never really able to create an opening until he went to right back.
I knew he'd get stick for his performance. He was poor but it's his first game in how many months? Seriously some of you lot need to give your heads a shake.
Thought he played alright against Chelsea.
A good point I've seen made is the lack of tracking back that Young does. Evra was poor, but it didn't help him at all that Young wasn't coming back at all.
I thought he played alright against Chelsea. When we turned up the tempo he looked fine, for the first parts of the first half like the rest of the team they made the attack too slow and let Chelsea keep a good shape and get numbers back. Don't think he was considerably worse than anyone else in that period.
I've always thought that young has something to offer, we need to get him fit and time to gel with the rest of the team. His ability to play anywhere across the front gives us a good dynamic and if he can get some form I think a front four of nani Rooney young and welbeck would take some stopping. Whether he can make the step up though and develop his game is another thing. I'm skeptical but as an option he can be really good.
I've always thought that young has something to offer, we need to get him fit and time to gel with the rest of the team. His ability to play anywhere across the front gives us a good dynamic and if he can get some form I think a front four of nani Rooney young and welbeck would take some stopping. Whether he can make the step up though and develop his game is another thing. I'm skeptical but as an option he can be really good.
It's usually a real feature of his game. Shows his lack of match-fitness.
Young will win people round (in fact, he already did, at the start of the season... they just seem to have forgotten).
If you're looking for him to be absolutely brilliant at taking on his man or splitting defences, you'll be disappointed. What he brings tot he party is general intelligence, and being good at pretty much everything. He's quick, hard to dispossess, can cross, is quite creative in the pass, resembles Marlo, scores goals, works hard off the ball.
That set of skills will prove to be important to us even if he's never exactly fist name on the teamsheet.
If you're looking for him to be absolutely brilliant at taking on his man or splitting defences, you'll be disappointed. What he brings tot he party is general intelligence, and being good at pretty much everything. He's quick, hard to dispossess, can cross, is quite creative in the pass, resembles Marlo, scores goals, works hard off the ball.
That set of skills will prove to be important to us even if he's never exactly fist name on the teamsheet.
That's probably a fair point. I'm sure he will work a lot harder once he's been back in action for a few games.
That's clearly right. Evra is fist name on the teamsheet, on account of his love of being fisted.
He seemed to revel in the quick passing attacking football we played at the start of the season, linking up with Evra, Cleverley, Anderson, Rooney and Welbeck and moving around as he saw fit.
I'm not sure I'll take his max level before either Nani nor Valencia, and I don't think he's any more consistant than those two. He's had a bit of a stop-start season so far though.
C'mon, give the lad a break. I think we'll be well pleased with his contribution (again) before year end and he might just be the guy to change a game that clinches a title as we get near the end!
I'd like us to win the "other" European silverware too: and that'll take as full a squad as we can muster ... Young will come good again!
I'd like us to win the "other" European silverware too: and that'll take as full a squad as we can muster ... Young will come good again!
touch was a bit off as well. Normally he's quite good.
he's coming back from injury. I'm willing to give him a pass given that was his first game back in about a month
I would still say he is perfect back-up for Nani and Valencia.
This. A pretty anonymous performance overall but that was to be expected.
He's not as good as either of them.
Yep, thats how see it too specially if valencia keeps up his form.
It's gone from "very average player" to "sorry, Ashley, we were wrong, you're amazing", to "actually, we were right, you're shit" on here in 5 months. First appearance after hefty lay-off. Remember Valencia's form until November? He was getting the same shite. We've seen glimpses of what he can do at his best. Give him a chance.
Here's an extract from analysis of our game that Michael Cox did on Zonal Marking , which covers Ashley Young...
I would say that raises quite a few points really... I don't think he was anywhere near the abomination that some people are suggesting. He's not exactly been here long, and has spent more time injured then playing... let's give the boy some time, he clearly has ability, and he's shown that in glimpses for us and England (as well as at Villa)
Zonal Marking said:
I would say that raises quite a few points really... I don't think he was anywhere near the abomination that some people are suggesting. He's not exactly been here long, and has spent more time injured then playing... let's give the boy some time, he clearly has ability, and he's shown that in glimpses for us and England (as well as at Villa)
Was he? I think most on here still knew Valencia was a really good player who was just struggling for form due to injuries.
My opinion hasn't changed since he signed. He's a good player that we paid a lot of money for in a position we weren't really lacking in, that we already have 2 better players in.
With our emphasis on wing play, we need more than 2 quality wingers, i totally understand the signing because i dont think it affected what we did at CM anyways. 3 wingers in a system like ours is a must.
It probably didn't. I've nothing against signing Young, but we did overpay, I mean he had a year on his contract and wasn't essential to the side. He's a good option to have in the team though.
Considering his contract situation, we did pay a bit extra. But thats the thing with english footballers. Cost more than they're worth, each and every one of them.
Has the ability but has always been inconsistent . Hopefully consistency will come.
He hasn't played a particularly good game since the Arsenal-game, actually. He was ineffective against Bolton, and decent against Chelsea, but he's struggled in virtually every game he's played since.
Injuries and chopping and changing to the team needs to take it's fair share of blame, but it makes you wonder if it isn't something to the 1-in-5 games theory that Pete trots out from time to time. (Not saying I agree, I think Young is a good player, but perhaps not as good as I'd hoped for)
Injuries and chopping and changing to the team needs to take it's fair share of blame, but it makes you wonder if it isn't something to the 1-in-5 games theory that Pete trots out from time to time. (Not saying I agree, I think Young is a good player, but perhaps not as good as I'd hoped for)
I think some of you expected too much from him against Chelsea.
He was still a better option after the injury than Park, we needed to attack from the start, we had a huge chance to get three points from Stamford Bridge, we didn't need Park or only Rooney up front, we went there with 4-4-2 with two wingers and two strikers. He didn't have a bad game, he was average comparing to others, but he wasn't worse than I expected.
And I really don't understand why marjen didn't moan that Young hadn't had a good game since the Arsenal-game just after he got injured. He didn't play a game in two months, came back at Chelsea and got an average perfromance. Did it really change your opinion on his season so far, or what?!
He was still a better option after the injury than Park, we needed to attack from the start, we had a huge chance to get three points from Stamford Bridge, we didn't need Park or only Rooney up front, we went there with 4-4-2 with two wingers and two strikers. He didn't have a bad game, he was average comparing to others, but he wasn't worse than I expected.
And I really don't understand why marjen didn't moan that Young hadn't had a good game since the Arsenal-game just after he got injured. He didn't play a game in two months, came back at Chelsea and got an average perfromance. Did it really change your opinion on his season so far, or what?!
I moan now because the game against Chelsea meant Young was being discussed again.
I've mentioned this before. It doesn't change my opinion on his season at all. I still think he is a bit of a luxury for us, and hasn't justified his signing so far.
Plenty of ability there to show his worth, though. I'm just not sure he'll get the chance when Nani returns.