When we look back at the squad of 2006-09, Ashley Young would've been nothing big than a pretty good squad player for a club like Manchester United. The Arsenal game has shut reduced the above argument for some time, but it's been downhill since then really.
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He was good before his injury, just needs to play himself into form. His work rate is great, constantly makes space for himself to make crosses, he'll come good. Hes a united player,
That's a myth. Our drastic drop in form started well before that.
It's still a bit early to judge him. I've seen two versions of him so far. One, an intelligent wide player linking up fantastically who provide a real goal threat. The other, a wide player with little ideas, lack of technical ability to take on defenders and very little creative or goal threat.
Hopefully, he's more the first player with the second just being his out of form/sorts self, rather than the latter being closer to his actual level and the former solely being the result of playing in a team that was flying.
Hopefully, he's more the first player with the second just being his out of form/sorts self, rather than the latter being closer to his actual level and the former solely being the result of playing in a team that was flying.
I'm not really sure what people expected of him, he'll never be a Rooney, Valencia, Giggs or Rooney, he'll never make the contributions and game changing moments like they can do. He's 26 now and that's basically the peak level for a winger, he probably won't improve. We saw the very best of what he can do early in the season.
He's a good squad player and that's it, said it from the start.
He's a good squad player and that's it, said it from the start.
Well, spot the odd one out.
I'd have thought Valencia's level wasn't unattainable for Young.
Let's just give him say, a season, before we rush to judge him? You look at Wayne Rooney or Nani this season, you might think the same.
Obviously Valencia isn't in the class of the others, but when he's at his consistent best he's a big player to have in the first team, definitely a better player than Young too, for me.
Rooney and Nani have been more consistent, and when they're on their game they are miles better than Young is. He's 26, already been in the PL for years and years, and basically hit his peak as a player. It's one thing waiting for young, foreign players to blend in, like Nani or Ronaldo, but Young is a different story.
As someone said, 3 years ago he wouldn't be a nailed on first teamer.
I know I've said this before but he was a 1-good-game-in-5 for Villa. You had 4 good ones up front so you were due about 16 stinkers.
Come on pete, that's harsh. He did have consistent spells for Villa, but he played in a weaker team so stood out more.Not if you go by this season in which he's been horrible (Valencia).
But Valencia is a good player who will regain his form sooner rather than later.
I still think it's too early to judge Young. First seasons can always be a bit up and down at a new club. I was skeptical when we signed him but I'll judge him at the end of the season.
But it does seem as though he relies a bit too much on the players around him. I'd like to see him back his own ability and get a quality cross in once in awhile no matter what others do with it, like Nani did last night. Otherwise his performance levels will keep fluctuating with the teams almost completely.
Well he's been known to regain it quickly in the past, but he's not getting runs of games, because Nani isn't injured like last year.
Surely you agree that Valencia is a better player than Young though?
He was 24 when he joined, less PL experience and made a far bigger impact in his first few months.
Not surprised to see all the "I told you so" posts after a few poor games. Keep 'em coming
he has aggravated a toe injury, goodness know how long he be out then.
For him though it started from that game.
That's an excuse for valencia. He's been utterly poor as simple as that. Good player when in form though.
Honestly, it's still far too early to tell. I'm not really sure what young's overall level is as of now. I've seen two versions of him and both very varying. But I will say that having spent 16 million or so you'd expect someone as good as valencia or roundabout that good. So from the perspective of how well we spent our money, he should be reaching that level.
Young has been shit poor for the past few games.He should rather do the talking on the pitch.
Flop?
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at the last paragraph.I find it intresting that when Berbatov's perfomances were the topic of most discussions here there was simmilar interview: I snubbed City, I love plying for United, we are the biggest club in the world.
These claims were used to defend Berba in retarded exchanges like
- he plyed shit today!
- yeah but he turnded down a City offer man
Im not having a go at anyone , its just funny that the same thin is happening now
These claims were used to defend Berba in retarded exchanges like
- he plyed shit today!
- yeah but he turnded down a City offer man
Im not having a go at anyone , its just funny that the same thin is happening now
There are actual paragraphs in a Mirror piece? Well I'll be damned!
Good point. I viewed it on my phone so it appeared to be a paragraph.
Are we talking semaphor? Or mime?
Stop making things up. Nobody even said that or remotely close to that.
On the topic of Young, give him time, he has been for six months and has been mostly injured in the last month or so. Valencia took similar time to settle and I remember the usual suspects moaning about his performance earlier on aswell.
young has been carrying an injury forsometime.
I've always liked Young as a player. when he gets over his injury we'll see his confidence come back and him come good. At his best I think he's as good as Valencia.
His versatility will make him a ve4ry important player for us.
I've always liked Young as a player. when he gets over his injury we'll see his confidence come back and him come good. At his best I think he's as good as Valencia.
His versatility will make him a ve4ry important player for us.
I want to see that early season form from Young again
Come on!
Come on!
He has great delivery and is deadly when he isolates the other team's fullback.
Thing is, our attack has been pretty shit for a while now. Young hasn't been good during this time but you can't really blame him. He isn't getting the ball in good positions at all.
He will be back.
Thing is, our attack has been pretty shit for a while now. Young hasn't been good during this time but you can't really blame him. He isn't getting the ball in good positions at all.
He will be back.
Absolutely terrible today. Nothing he did came off. Has been shite since the Arsenal game tbh.
Injured yet again as well
He really was woeful. Sadly he's done sweet feck all since the Arsenal game. Well down the pecking order behind Nani and Valencia now I would think.
Hope he's not injured badly though.
Hope he's not injured badly though.
The bright thing is that he hardly loses the ball... The poor thing is, he just doesn't produce that moment of magic like what Nani has been doing of late...
He just needs to put better crosses in, or if he shoots, put more power in...
He has quite a few chances after that Arsenal match but he just hasn't done it yet... Lacking confidence maybe but I've expected him to do a lot more.
He just needs to put better crosses in, or if he shoots, put more power in...
He has quite a few chances after that Arsenal match but he just hasn't done it yet... Lacking confidence maybe but I've expected him to do a lot more.
We lost posession almost every time he had the ball today tbf.
I get the impression he's been too eager to impress after his injury and loss of form. He's more selfish than he was earlier in the season.
I suppose he needs a good run in the team to regain form and confidence, but Nani, Valencia and Welbeck aren't going to give him that. (Well, and now he's injured again.)
I suppose he needs a good run in the team to regain form and confidence, but Nani, Valencia and Welbeck aren't going to give him that. (Well, and now he's injured again.)
Surely there is no way he's on £130k a week... I'm going to put this down to typical Mirror reporting... Either that or the club hired the Chuckle Brothers as our negotiators.
Except everytime he crosses the ball and it sails over everyone or hits the first man. I dunno what the hells got over him, he settled fantastically well but has been absolute utter shite ever since. I thought he came with the guarantee of improving our set pieces, but i see he's been pretty much banned from taking set pieces they've been that bad.
Hopefully just lacking in confidence at the moment but being out for a while now isnt gonna help.
He was average. He looked woeful because everyone else was so good. This further setback wont do him any favors. Even Park, who's been shit recently, is playing better than him. Surely 3rd/4th choice now unless he picks it up. I'm fine with that. Fergie rewards good form.
He has been awful since the City debacle. Sad that he is injured again.
His game has been disrupted by the stop-start of a couple of injuries. Nothing to worry about, especially as Valencia has come roaring back over the last couple of weeks. He'll be very useful as the season grinds on. He's better than Park.