Smashley Young

Boss said:
A lot of football theories do, it's very possible.

That one anus sparked an allegiance of followers.
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Fair point... but if anything it would be more of a case of it being a solid theory which then went on to be proved incorrect (missed by me)...

Tracking down that anus is now your designated task Boss, go forth...
 
I agree with KingEric in that I don't really see it with Young, but then again I didn't with Valencia. Valencia has been very good for us and Young probably will be too but they're mainly players who will do the simple thing (which is fine) but Nani is on a different level where he can come inside and score goals or score screamers with his weaker foot.

For example, say if Rooney is out injured, who would you back to step up? Last season when Rooney was out, Nani was doing the business. Sometimes when things aren't working doing the simple things, you need that bit of magic.. and that's what separates Nani from our other wingers. I'm not saying the others aren't good, but Nani should always be played imo.

It's a shame Rooney is always pissed off with Nani when he goes for a shot or something when it's things like that from Nani can make the difference. I understand it can be frustrating for a striker but it seems he's always mad at Nani rather than anyone else. Maybe I'm looking too much into things but it's a regular occurrence.
 
Yeah it does often look like Rooney's annoyed with Nani. He must be a fecking annoying player to play with to be fair, especially when you work as hard as Rooney to get yourself in space.

Nani has genuine magic as you say but I don't agree he should always be played. Young and Valencia both have better football brains, and Valencia is terrifically consistent. There will be times when Young and Valencia gives the right balance.
 
afrocentricity said:
Fair point... but if anything it would be more of a case of it being a solid theory which then went on to be proved incorrect (missed by me)...

Tracking down that anus is now your designated task Boss, go forth...
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I have decided to appoint you commander-in-chief for this special mission. I believe we need a man of great experience for the job.

You shall report to me with detailed notes of your findings and pictures using a dodgy camera.

That shithead shall be found.
 
Boss said:
I have decided to appoint you commander-in-chief for this special mission. I believe we need a man of great experience for the job.

You shall report to me with detailed notes of your findings and pictures using a dodgy camera.

That shithead shall be found.
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Erm, I actually have an anus allergy so I'll take a rain check on that... I've done some research for you though and it seems that we have a suspect...

"I don't think he's learned from Valencia," said Fergie. "He's always had that as he is a very good crosser of a ball.

"When he plays on the left maybe he does that (over-elaborates) but the right side is his natural position."

Ferguson added: "It is amazing when you talk to the players - they all want him to play. They all think he is fantastic. We are getting consistency from him now. We have a really good player.

"We wondered if he would feel tired after three games in a week but he never showed that until the last 10 minutes.

"But it gives me a massive decision now between Nani and Antonio Valencia."

Not the worst anus for you to be investigating Boss...
 
All of you saying Rooney or whomever doesn't like Nani clearly haven't watched any of Rio's video diaries...Nani seems like one of the most popular people at the club..You're all reading what you want to into spur of the moment body language.

Those videos also show how well Young's settled in too. He obviously knows Rio & Wayne a bit from England duty, but he looks to have settled straight in as part of the gang fantastically well ....from those vids at any rate. Which can only be a good thing...
 
There's all sorts of videos of them hugging each other and going mental after goals scored. People just look for stuff to make a deal out of, it's as if players on our team can't emotionally react to anything, or if they do, it can't be because they are professional footballers with the highest expectation on and between themselves, but because they despise each other.

But, yes, the video diaries also puts a question to all of that, he does indeed seem to be one of the most popular players at the club, as does Berbatov. Young looks like he's been travelling around with our squad for years, looked really comfortable and relaxed from those videos. Noticeably more so than Jones, who looked like he was enjoying the tour, a bit nervous though (probably given his age), or obviously De Gea, who must still be getting to grips with everything.
 
I'm not saying he doesn't like Nani, just that he often gets frustrated with him.

Then when he scores or creates a goal, the love bursts out of Wayne, all the stronger for having been dammed up during the endless fannying about.
 
Frustration I think is fine, you see it from everyone, for all the people who say Dimitar is the worst with it, have a look at Giggs, doesn't matter who you are, he gets pissed off!

It's all natural though isn't it, and certainly understandable. I think the problem comes with people who think this is evidence of the players 'not liking' others, and using that as a stick to beat the player with.
 
Sadly a winger is usually the most frustrating player/position on a team.

Not because they aren't brilliant like Nani but with such flair players it's hard to predict what they are going to do with the ball next.

You always have to expect the unexpected so at times it's hard to truly build up a rapport witch such players.

Back in the day Pele probably felt like throwing his show at Garrincha, even though they were so successful together.

This is only on the pitch though, it shouldn't be used to convey how they feel off it.

As already stated Nani's one of the most popular behind the scenes.
 
Hectic said:
Frustration I think is fine, you see it from everyone, for all the people who say Dimitar is the worst with it, have a look at Giggs, doesn't matter who you are, he gets pissed off!

It's all natural though isn't it, and certainly understandable. I think the problem comes with people who think this is evidence of the players 'not liking' others, and using that as a stick to beat the player with.
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Yeah, that does my head in. People getting all offended about a footballer, shock horror, shouting at another footballer on his own team. God forbid those sensitive souls actually play some competitive football themselves. Bruised emotions all over the place.

I reckon Nani is made of sterner stuff, mind you.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Yeah, that does my head in. People getting all offended about a footballer, shock horror, shouting at another footballer on his own team. God forbid those sensitive souls actually play some competitive football themselves. Bruised emotions all over the place.

I reckon Nani is made of sterner stuff, mind you.
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Exactly, and I'd have some concerns if that really got to him anyway. How people can argue that it has a really bad effect on others, and that it's not right for them to be doing it, only for those players to celebrate with each other when they score a goal? How else can you effectively communicate something to players at a distance, in a stadium of thousands of supporters, in the briefest of moments? It's hardly as if they are going to run over to the player, have a quiet word and say he expected a better pass then that lad.
 
R. Lim said:
One game?

How many seasons has Nani played for us now and shown us he can play just as good on either flank?
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Like I say every time this comes up, Nani can be equally as good (or bad) on either side. Indeed, a few of his best ever games have been on the left.

However he's always been more consistent on the right. The percentage of good games is higher.
 
I used to have a very good friend and we used to play football a lot together.You would have thought we were hating each other the way we cursed, whined and moaned at each other during matches.
Reading into a body language can be a interesting to do but sometimes it's just not enough.
I think they all see Nani as a great player but still frustrating player.They expect a lot more from him because as teammates they know he can be so much better.
 
kouroux said:
I used to have a very good friend and we used to play football a lot together.You would have thought we were hating each other the way we cursed, whined and moaned at each other during matches.
Reading into a body language can be a interesting to do but sometimes it's just not enough.
I think they all see Nani as a great player but still frustrating player.They expect a lot more from him because as teammates they know he can be so much better.
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I'm the same, only with my two brothers. I've had some right barneys with them two over the years!

Football can be a frustrating game, especially when things don't go the way you want it to go. Wayne Rooney shouting at players is hardly surprising considering the type of player and person he is.
 
People are just looking for controversy at this current Nani situation. How many times were our forwards up in arms about Ronnie shooting rather than crossing or playing the simple pass? It's really a non-issue.
 
MadDogg said:
Like I say every time this comes up, Nani can be equally as good (or bad) on either side. Indeed, a few of his best ever games have been on the left.

However he's always been more consistent on the right. The percentage of good games is higher.
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How is this measured, exactly? Isn't it enough to say he's effective on both flanks, but just has bad games? I don't understand how people can say he's "equally good and bad" on both sides. Point is that he can play on both flanks, and given that he's in great form, he's effective at it.
 
I agree, but there's no harm in highlighting that the right flank is his natural position...
 
Would anybody else rather see Young on the right wing, getting to the touchline and getting crosses in on his right foot, and have Nani on the left cutting inside and drifting into the box? I would.

The "Nani is better on the right" myth seems to come from that one great game vs. Hull.
 
Rowem said:
Would anybody else rather see Young on the right wing, getting to the touchline and getting crosses in on his right foot, and have Nani on the left cutting inside and drifting into the box? I would.

The "Nani is better on the right" myth seems to come from that one great game vs. Hull.
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That myth may have started that game. But he played on the right for us almost the whole of last season and look at what he did. He was absolutely brilliant for us. Then again, it would not be a sin to switch them for a game or two and see how it goes. But it will be interesting to see how we line up when Valencia comes back.
 
Nani plays well on either flank because his game is to drift and come inside so it doesn't overly matter. It's not like last season his best moments were getting to the touchline and whipping the ball in.

We seem intent on spraying the ball to Young for him to get the ball in the box. For a right footer he is very adapt at doing so from the left, but I can't help but think he'd do an even better job from the right wing.
 
Thats where most of his assists came from. When he came inside is where most of his goals came from.

And yes I'm sure Young could play well on the right, but Nani's goals mostly come from coming in off the right and shooting left footed. When he wasnt playing fulltime on the right his goals started to dry up
 
RDCR07 said:
Young's natural position is on the right wing?
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Well he is right footed after all...

I do feel like Young and Nani will start to switch wings once he gets settled in. The interchanging play that we did so well a few years ago should be making a return this season, and i for one welcome it. We have become too predictable recently
 
Law and Charlton always said George drove em mad - they'd shake off a marker and be screaming for the ball and curse George as he made yet another twist or turn, 3 seconds later, the ball is in the back of the net and they're all kissing each other

Nani frustrates but he'll get you a goal out of nothing - I wouldn't back many players to score those two goals he scored vs Ciddy
 
I know I'll be slaughtered for this, but Young really frustrated me last week. Every time he got the ball the best result I could imagine coming was a corner as he consistantly hits the first man with his attempted cross. I know he assisted Rooney, but that was a pass more so than a cross, and when he made the OG he was well inside the box. Setting up two goals has negated all of this, but for the amount of quality ball he actually got played out to him I think his crossing will have to improve. At least get the ball past the first man.
 
Irwinwastheking said:
I know I'll be slaughtered for this, but Young really frustrated me last week. Every time he got the ball the best result I could imagine coming was a corner as he consistantly hits the first man with his attempted cross. I know he assisted Rooney, but that was a pass more so than a cross, and when he made the OG he was well inside the box. Setting up two goals has negated all of this, but for the amount of quality ball he actually got played out to him I think his crossing will have to improve. At least get the ball past the first man.
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So he couldn't get the ball past the first man apart from the two times he did, when we scored two goals?
 
He does have a point, though. Young did hit the closest defender a lot more than he should've. But yeah, it's ignored because he "created" two goals - and rightly so!
 
Pogue Mahone said:
So he couldn't get the ball past the first man apart from the two times he did, when we scored two goals?
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Laphroaig said:
He does have a point, though. Young did hit the closest defender a lot more than he should've. But yeah, it's ignored because he "created" two goals - and rightly so!
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I did make that point in my post as well lads.

However the two goals didn't come from crosses from out wide. One was a low pass to Rooney and the other was wacked across the six yard box from close in.

My point is that I hope his crossing from out wide is usually better than it was against WestBrom. I think that's fair to say.
 
Irwinwastheking said:
I did make that point in my post as well lads.

However the two goals didn't come from crosses from out wide. One was a low pass to Rooney and the other was wacked across the six yard box from close in.

My point is that I hope his crossing from out wide is usually better than it was against WestBrom. I think that's fair to say.
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I can see your point, hopefully his crossing will be more consistent as it's usually one of his strong points. He's started very well for us though, looking forward to seeing more of him and hopefully him improving in our team.
 
His crossing will obviously not be a problem. After a while vs WBA, he understood that the full back always went to block his cross, and in the space of a couple of minutes, just used the simple cross feint and dragged it on the outside of him - off you go and goodbye.

As he gets more confident, he'll try to take on his man more, both on the inside and the outside, and the defender can't gamle that he'll cross - therefore he will get more space and his crossing will be fine as well.

Have to say he impressed me vs WBA, and I think there's lots more to come from him.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
So he couldn't get the ball past the first man apart from the two times he did, when we scored two goals?
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He was just saying he was frustrating, which I'd agree with. I can't imagine anyone didn't think 'Oh for feck's sake' after he hit his man for about the fifth time before it was even half-time. Chalkboards has him down as having 10 crosses and none of them getting through, all but one hitting a defender. The fact that he did get an assist so early on with a smart pass inside might have made it even more frustrating.

It's good that he didn't just shy away and stop trying though.
 
People are way too quick criticising our players nowadays. Berbatov is frustrating, Carrick is frustrating, Nani is frustrating....how do people manage to watch a full game, I wonder.

Like marjen said, it took him some time to read his opponent but he did deliver in the end. Give him some time to gel as I'm sure he's trying to build confidence playing for the best club in the country.
 
I think the fact people are already criticising Young as a United player is something of a testament to how seamless his transition's been - there's obviously more to come from him but he's seemed very comfortable and confident. Part of the reason why it's useful to buy experienced PL players.
 
It's hardly being overly critical to say that he was frustrating when the stats back up the impression that his crosses almost always hit the first man. I don't think anyone has said he had a bad game or overlooked the fact that he created two goals, but it's still quite reasonable to point out the frustration caused by the crossing issue. Like Brwned said, he didn't stop trying which is good, and he did find a way past eventually. Once he's more settled and his confidence is up (which the goal should help with) I'm sure he'll improve.
 
Variaton, variaton, variaton. Unless you're Antonio Valencia and opposed to all of natures laws, that's what you need as a winger. Ashley's got it, he just needs to gain the confidence that he's a bigtime United-player - which he will by the looks of it. He grew as the game wore on against WBA, and with Hernandez in the side, a bit more variation and getting him utilized as the great counter-attacking threat he can be, we'll see a lot of great things from Young I'm sure.

Think about it. He can pass creatively, he keeps possession in general play, and he's got a hell of a cross on him and some tricks up his sleeve. Also a good finisher, got good set piece-delivery(which we've seen) and pace to burn. He's like a hybrid of Nani and Valencia, a mixture of those two types of players.
 
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