Valencia is not as good as Nani. He is not as bad as him either. It's the consistency that I could see being the main reason for him starting.
Smashley Young
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Valencia is not as good as Nani. He is not as bad as him either. It's the consistency that I could see being the main reason for him starting.
Nice to see Young having three assists in two matches for United.
Great signing.
Great signing.
Just clocked that. His dream team points must be off the chart!
Seriously speaking what I liked about Young today was there for a lot of that second half it wasn't happening for him, he kept hitting the first man with his cross, kept running up blind alleys and you know what...? He just kept going. We've seen with other players that when they try things once or twice and it doesn't come off they shrink into their shells and start hiding from the ball. Young never once looked like he might become a passenger and in the end by continuing to trust in his talent he made that opening and won us the game.
Bodes very, very well for his Man Utd future.
Depends on the tactics mate. For example SAF will no doubt use Valencia in Europe a lot for his discipline and options where as Nani and Young are more the same. Young does well on the left though and Nani is better on the right it seems, Valencia seems to only like one side. A lower team in the PL coming to Old Trafford with walls up then you probably want both Young and Nani but any of them would work.
But no means saying Valencia isn't as good or not needed, just that we have riches most teams would love in wing areas. Time will tell how it pans out but on FIFA I'm going to be playing them all!!!!!
Too bad they did not give him the goal. But he will be big for us this season. Like Lee Dixon said in MOTM 2, he is a typical United type player.
I wasn't too sure about him in pre season but he really impressed me against City and West Brom. Looks like he's settled in well, great news for us.
I start to think he is United type of player - pacey, skillful, good workrate and linkup play. Unselfish too, Nani should take some note from him.
doesn't matter if 18 of his crosses are crap (and they're not) when the other two produce goals
I was really impressed with his first touch passing. He'll do well for us.
Hopefully we'll see him taking in his man on more. Looked dangerous when he did. Other than that, probably our best player along with Anderson.
I still don't quite it with Young yet, though I will admit that he has attributes that we can utilise.
Think he was good yesterday, but incredibly frustrating. Although you could say he was trying to make things happen (and did, ultimately), he was massively annoying with the amount of times he hit the first man on the cross, or just looked blindly for the cross, in general. He will probably benefit enormously from Hernandez.
Think he was good yesterday, but incredibly frustrating. Although you could say he was trying to make things happen (and did, ultimately), he was massively annoying with the amount of times he hit the first man on the cross, or just looked blindly for the cross, in general. He will probably benefit enormously from Hernandez.
Yep, same here, and this is the kind of thing that you can't really judge from his time at Villa - due to their style of play and supporting players - which is why it's stupid to say it's a crap signing before he's even played for us.
He's a top player.
Those who think he's not 'United Class' want to give their heads a wobble.
Those who think he's not 'United Class' want to give their heads a wobble.
I'd say young has been more greedy than Nani... One of my current problems with him is that he can run down blind allys like Nani of old.
Young has actually seemed greedy; but it has worked well to his advantage on some cases, and obviously some not. I don't think this is as big of an issue at the moment though, it's not like too many chances are wasted because of it. It actually shows that he has a lot of confidence with the ball, which is always a good thing for a player to have.
I'm pleased that he's settled very well with United, as if he wasn't just brought in this summer. It's nice to see how close they've grown also - it's a good thing he's English so it's definitely much easier for him to assimilate into the team now that majority of it consists of English players (and the future of England)
He's not just some kick and cross player either. Valencia is (and not to undermine his abilities; he's very good at it), but Young proves to be more than that. He links up very well with the forwards as we've already seen.
Excited for things to come.
I said it a month ago: give him 3 months under Fergie and he will improve drastically (kinda like Valencia)
Young did very well.His game is not the flashiest but he is so efficient, I cannot wait to see Chicharito get on the end of his crosses.
Our best player on the day. Most things came through him. Seems to be a very smart player which is contrary to what I thought.
Nani on the other hand had the poorest game I can remember him having in ages. I mean the least you expect from the winger is to keep taking on the fullback even if he struggles. Nani did nothing. Zilch. Well apart from miss two easy chances. Very strange performance, that.
Nani on the other hand had the poorest game I can remember him having in ages. I mean the least you expect from the winger is to keep taking on the fullback even if he struggles. Nani did nothing. Zilch. Well apart from miss two easy chances. Very strange performance, that.
Even stranger that it came after a very good match against City.He should have continued performing in the same fashion.
tbf, nani didnt get alot of the ball at all. Most of the play went through rooney and young. And quite often ignored nani. When nani did get the ball, more noticeable in the second half, he was very frustrated and just wanted to try somthing
Well, it's alright if he can't produce magical performances every week but I've never seen Nani play so safe. His bad performances usually involve some poor decision making or him trying things that just don't come off. It was so odd to see him almost always opt for the simple pass to Smalling or whoever the nearest United player was. I suspected he had an injury during the game. Very unlike him.
I do think it's rather strange that we've so far had a lot of our play go through the left side / Young so far. Even in pre-season with the 2 of them on the field, a lot of our play was down the left. Not sure if this is on purpose in that it gives more confidence to Young who is bedding in.
It did frustrate Nani I think in the end because there was a play where he could have played either Berbatov or Rooney in but, went for the shot instead. It's one of my pet peeves in the way we play sometimes - over the course of the game we don't vary the sides we attack through and end up going down the same flank more often than not. With wingers like Young, Valencia, Nani - we should be attacking from both sides.
It did frustrate Nani I think in the end because there was a play where he could have played either Berbatov or Rooney in but, went for the shot instead. It's one of my pet peeves in the way we play sometimes - over the course of the game we don't vary the sides we attack through and end up going down the same flank more often than not. With wingers like Young, Valencia, Nani - we should be attacking from both sides.
Not at all, when you think about how much he cost (and better be worth the cost) He's simply being used for what he's good at. I also think it's because there's much better communication between Rooney and Young rather than Nani/Valencia + Rooney. I do agree that with the arsenal of wingers that we have, it'd be great to switch play around, but maybe it's just an early strategy to let Young get used to playing with the team? Boss will mix it up when it gets far too predictable, and when people start to notice we overuse the left flank.
Why do the media keep increasing the transfer fee? First it started around £16m and now it is up to £20m?
So much for the theory that Nani finds it that much easier playing on the right. He's always been capable of being equally shite/brilliant on either flank.
Indeed.
That Nani myth should now be put to bed hopefully
Put to bed because of one game? for me he plays better on the right, not by much, but enough to see it.
One game?
How many seasons has Nani played for us now and shown us he can play just as good on either flank?
I'm not gonna argue it because I'm not 100% certain, I was arguing against the 'put to bed' statements, It'll take a few more showings to put it to bed. Feel free to disagree...
One game didn't prove anything but it was a continuation of a long pattern, which seems to get deliberately ignored by people who insist that Fergie playing him on the left wing was the main reason for his inconsistency.
Well I'm not saying he's shite on the left. I just remember better performances from the right, it's not like this theory came from someone's anus...
Why don't the resident stato's tally up his good performances on either flank and put this idea to bed so we can all move on?
Yeh, that's never been the case. He's had some great games on the left.
Think he's better on the right (as a goal-scoring threat and as a crosser), but it's gonna get to the stage with Nani where he gets so good that everything will go through him no matter where he plays. Must admit, it was fecking infuriating for me watching us go down the left every single time against West Brom, only for Young to continually hit the first man with the cross. It paid off eventually, mind, but when we had this incredibly gifted and productive winger on the other side of the pitch, we should've used him more! Did feck all when he had it, but it's a bit difficult when you don't have a lot of the ball in a game as a winger.
Think he's better on the right (as a goal-scoring threat and as a crosser), but it's gonna get to the stage with Nani where he gets so good that everything will go through him no matter where he plays. Must admit, it was fecking infuriating for me watching us go down the left every single time against West Brom, only for Young to continually hit the first man with the cross. It paid off eventually, mind, but when we had this incredibly gifted and productive winger on the other side of the pitch, we should've used him more! Did feck all when he had it, but it's a bit difficult when you don't have a lot of the ball in a game as a winger.
Answered your own conundrum there. When one of your wingers is having a stinker, it stands to reason the other players will look to the other flank when picking a pass.
No doubt Nani will be back to his brilliant best again soon and, hey presto, our play will be directed down his flank again.
A lot of football theories do, it's very possible.
That one anus sparked an allegiance of followers.
He didn't get the ball a lot to have a stinker in the first half, though he did horribly miscue a couple of efforts throughout the course of the game, and did finish the game having had a poor one. Nani is a player that should be aimed for no matter what form he's in, though.
He's had so many games whereby he's done nothing of note, or been reasonably frustrating, then won the game with something ridiculous or with an assist of some sort (Bursaspor last year comes to mind...what a strike!). I thought Young's game the other day was fairly Nani-ish in his first season actually, funnily enough. I'm not quite on the Young bandwagon yet after having questioned his signing throughout the summer but he's looking pretty productive.
He's had so many games whereby he's done nothing of note, or been reasonably frustrating, then won the game with something ridiculous or with an assist of some sort (Bursaspor last year comes to mind...what a strike!). I thought Young's game the other day was fairly Nani-ish in his first season actually, funnily enough. I'm not quite on the Young bandwagon yet after having questioned his signing throughout the summer but he's looking pretty productive.