Smashley Young

He got in some great positions; that really shows an intelligence in his play that I think is one of his strengths. Anyone can miss shots. We all know he is capable of scoring those chances. He needs to become mentality stronger, and our support can help him with that...

Alternatively, revile him until he is replaced. Up to you.
 
Its only when he's finishing those shots that he puts in an argument that he could be a pretty good option for the club. In his first half season thats what he did, scored goals and because of that looked a nice option
 
He wasn't great, but not that bad to single out for criticism either.
 
Irwhine said:
He was one of our best players when he was on the pitch despite missing two chances. I don't like and never have but some people are just so blind with Young hate that they can't see anything positive.

In the match day thread today at the start of the second half immediatly after Young puts a corner in that bounces in line with the frint post but no one attacks and a free kick that's cleared in the six yeard box in line with the back post (2 really good balls in) we get posts like this;



Utterly blind to reality and just out to slag and abuse a player. feck me Ainu, Young does enough wrong without having to make up stuff and slag the good things he does.
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That post was made after the corner, the free kick hadn't happened yet (slow to post, stream lagging behind). That corner was just too low and cleared at the first post, as so often. Maybe not the worst ball in but feck me if that's a really good delivery these days. He did a lot better than this at Villa, that's where the frustration comes from. The last thing I ever want to see is a low corner to the first post. And if that post qualifies as slagging off and abusing a player, I don't know how your precious soul survives any thread on here. :lol:
 
Best performance from him in a red shirt for about 18 months. And I wouldn't go further than it being a decent performance.

If he kept his head down, kept putting in that effort we saw last night and stayed on his feet it'd go a long way to redeeming him in my eyes. He's got a long way to go though, I wouldn't be disappointed to find out that he'd been moved on in January. But then there's a few at the moment that are in that position.
 
Eyepopper said:
I'm not a fan of Young, but to play devils advocate he's had feck all football recently so you have to expect a bit of rustiness.

Still think at best he's only a half decent squad player for a club like Utd, and I think we could do a lot better than him.
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Bang on.

I'm perplexed to read so many "he did well tonight" comments in here :eek: because I thought he was non-existent almost, other than missing our 2 best chances.
 
I think he needs to move on, even though I think he could be a good squad player - I prefer to have squad players that can go on a run of not having many games but still performing well. He may well improve if he was a regular starter, but I think we should be looking at getting rid of him to be honest.
 
Eyepopper said:
Offer him to Everton plus 20million for Barkley


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That's absolutely ridiculous. I know Young isn't the most popular person around here but do you really think Everton would accept just £20m in exchange?
 
I reckon Everton will be looking at 25-30m for Barkey and I reckon Young worth about 7-8. But yeah, I'm not being entirely serious.

I reckon Young would do well for a club like Everton where he'd play every week. At Utd he's not playing regularly enough and he's not good enough to demand a starting spot.
 
Eyepopper said:
I reckon Everton will be looking at 25-30m for Barkey and I reckon Young worth about 7-8. But yeah, I'm not being entirely serious.

I reckon Young would do well for a club like Everton where he'd play every week. At Utd he's not playing regularly enough and he's not good enough to demand a starting spot.
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Don't see how anyone can say Young would play every week at Everton. They are playing some great football. He would get more of an opportunity but would soon be found out.
 
Eric'sCollar said:
Don't see how anyone can say Young would play every week at Everton. They are playing some great football. He would get more of an opportunity but would soon be found out.
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".... a club like Everton.'

When their young winger fecks off back to Barca there's going to be a hole in their squad.

I reckon if he was playing week in week out he'd do alright.
 
He may be at their level but I think Martinez would pass up on Young. Not because he's not good enough but Young doesn seem like a player suited for how they play. Young is so much better on the counterattack where he can be direct and exploit open spaces.
 
Thought he was decent, he's always linked up with his full back well in fairness, with baines who is a better crosser than evra they might make a good combo. Fluffed his two chances though, in fairness he was probably not feeling the most confident. Still don't think he put in enough crosses himself. But still a decent and bright display. I don't really think much will change on my opinion of young. With zaha being involved so little we should probably hold on to him until the summer, but we should be looking to let him go imo. Though tbf on the back of that display, if nani isn't going to play would like to see young given a go over Valencia for a couple if games. Though we do need to keep chopping and changing there.
 
I'm of the opinion that due to some poor showings for his country and the diving issue he's obscenely under rated. If he moved on to a lesser club he could end up one of their best players, even if he doesn't quite cut the mustard here.
 
mufcwarm92 said:
I'm of the opinion that due to some poor showings for his country and the diving issue he's obscenely under rated. If he moved on to a lesser club he could end up one of their best players, even if he doesn't quite cut the mustard here.
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I'm not sure it's that he's underrated, I think most appreciate that he is a good player by most standards, but as you said, he just never quite had it in him to be a Man Utd player. That's the risk with signing a 26 year old player, you can't really instill the Utd mentality in them like you would a younger player (like Jones, who's attitude basically encompasses everything good about us).

I think it's clear now his level was Aston Villa, where he was the star player, and I'm sure he'll do well again at a 'lesser' club.
 
http://www.football365.com/news/21554/9069002/Young-Blameless-

The Manchester United winger revealed both Sir Alex Ferguson and his successor David Moyes have had words with him about his frequent tumbles in the penalty area, but he does not seem ready to change his ways.
"It's been talked about by the previous manager and the current manager, but that's in-house," Young said in several newspapers.
"I'm not going to comment on what's been said. I understand what you're saying (about gaining a reputation) and everyone is going to have their say on it, but the referees are giving decisions and that is where I think it lies."
Young was booked for simulation against Crystal Palace this season but then won a controversial penalty later in the same game, while he also appeared to go over easily in the Champions League match away to Real Sociedad.
The 28-year-old incensed fans of his former club last season when he went down against Aston Villa, United's opponents on Sunday.
"I remember getting booked against Palace and then won a penalty," he said. "Against Sociedad it was another penalty that was given. Referees have got tough decisions to make, they have a tough time out there making decisions, but they have made the right decisions I think.
"I don't take notice of the headlines or the debates. That's obviously for people to have their say on it, and everyone is entitled to have their say on it. For me, the referees have made decisions and that's it."
Young has struggled to hold down a place in Moyes' side this season, and has been singled out by a section of United's fans for criticism, leaving his World Cup hopes in the balance.
"Obviously it's been disappointing I've not been involved as much as I'd have liked," he added. "Right now, I'm not thinking about the World Cup, I'm thinking about playing for United.
"You always want to play in the biggest tournaments, so of course I want to be on that plane but I don't think there's a player who has been involved in the squad that doesn't."
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That comment in bold concerns me, I may be misreading it but it seems to suggest he doesn't see an issue with diving if refs are giving penalties for it.
 
Cina said:
I'm not sure it's that he's underrated, I think most appreciate that he is a good player by most standards, but as you said, he just never quite had it in him to be a Man Utd player. That's the risk with signing a 26 year old player, you can't really instill the Utd mentality in them like you would a younger player (like Jones, who's attitude basically encompasses everything good about us).

I think it's clear now his level was Aston Villa, where he was the star player, and I'm sure he'll do well again at a 'lesser' club.
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I agree with what's been said there. I think his upper level is very high but his lower level just isn't good enough for a top club. He was good enough at Villa to warrant a move to a bigger club but United was likely a step too far.
 
It's more than a little silly for anyone to suggest he wouldn't get a look in at Everton. Even if he wasn't guaranteed a spot (though I think he'd walk into the side) he'd still start a large percentage of games.

His last 18 months have been awful but many seem to have forgotten everything that went on before then.

In his first season at United he got 12 goals and 13 assists
In his last season at Villa he got 9 goals and 15 assists
Season before was 9 goals and 13 assists
Season before was 9 goals and 10 assists
Season before was 8 goals and 17 assists
His first season in the Premier League (half at Watford, half at Villa) was 6 goals and 8 assists

The best Pienaar has managed is 7 goals and 7 assists.

He's absolutely proven at Premier League level. He just simply hasn't been able to handle the mental pressures that come with playing for United. That's all. He'd still be an extremely important player for another side, just as he was at Villa.

Stats include internationals.
 
He's a very good player, who seems to be in a rot for a long time now. His first season wasn't brilliant, but it was ok and quite productive and it makes the current situation - he feels like a player who is suffering from the big pond thing - a little wierd. He's already done far better for us than he's been doing for the last year and a half. But I guess recovering from dips in form at a big club like that is a new test.
 
Carl said:
It's more than a little silly for anyone to suggest he wouldn't get a look in at Everton. Even if he wasn't guaranteed a spot (though I think he'd walk into the side) he'd still start a large percentage of games.

His last 18 months have been awful but many seem to have forgotten everything that went on before then.

In his first season at United he got 12 goals and 13 assists
In his last season at Villa he got 9 goals and 15 assists
Season before was 9 goals and 13 assists
Season before was 9 goals and 10 assists
Season before was 8 goals and 17 assists
His first season at Villa was 6 goals and 8 assists
His last season at Watford (who got relegated) he managed 15 goals and 13 assists

The best Pienaar has managed is 7 goals and 7 assists.

He's absolutely proven at Premier League level. He just simply hasn't been able to handle the mental pressures that come with playing for United. That's all. He'd still be an extremely important player for another side, just as he was at Villa.
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Where did you get those stats from? They don't seem right. I'm certain he didn't score 15 goals in Watford's relegation season in the Premier League. Pretty sure that was the season before in the Championship.

Did he score 12 in his first season for us? Wiki says 8, but Wiki isn't great for stats.
 
OnlyTwoDaSilvas said:
Where did you get those stats from? They don't seem right. I'm certain he didn't score 15 goals in Watford's relegation season in the Premier League. Pretty sure that was the season before in the Championship.

Did he score 12 in his first season for us? Wiki says 8, but Wiki isn't great for stats.
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Stats were from ESPN. Internationals included also.

EDIT: Looking again, I didn't realise Young moved midway through Watford's Premier League season so you're right, the Watford stats were from Championship.
 
Well, with those comments thats Young never getting another penalty again then.
 
Cina said:
I'm not sure it's that he's underrated, I think most appreciate that he is a good player by most standards, but as you said, he just never quite had it in him to be a Man Utd player. That's the risk with signing a 26 year old player, you can't really instill the Utd mentality in them like you would a younger player (like Jones, who's attitude basically encompasses everything good about us).

I think it's clear now his level was Aston Villa, where he was the star player, and I'm sure he'll do well again at a 'lesser' club.
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I agree with this. Young's problem is not that he's a "shit" player, per se. He just doesn't have the bollocks to play for a club like United. I'm certain that he'll get a move to a mid table team and return to being one of the league's most dangerous, productive wingers. Like you say, that's his level.
 
Ashley Young can forget about going to the World Cup. He was comfortably the worst player at Euro 2012. Everton would never sign him. He's not a Martinez type of player and his wages are ridiculus. I can see Sparky, Sam or Tony try to get him on the cheap though. They always sign at least one half decent British player in the transfer window.
 
I think the writing's on the wall for him at the end of the season but I did like his celebration - showed a bit of passion. Hopefully it perks him up, he will still be needed to make some contribution while he's here.
 
did anyone hear the pundit (cant remember who) say in the break that Ashley Young had a flash. It made me chuckle
 
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