No, its the referees. If the ref sees a tug by a defender he's entitled to give a penalty.
Smashley Young
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No, its the referees. If the ref sees a tug by a defender he's entitled to give a penalty.
Does he, or are you judging him by reputation. He is a serial diver (no doubt about that) but he isn'w worse than Young when it comes to Downing. Practically it's impossible to be worse than Young when it comes to that, in every possible case Young dives.
Look at the thread title.
On your point, making a mistake is not treated as harshly as cheating and you need that explained to you? Really?
While I agree with this, I'd still hammer Young for his part in making the ref come to that conclusion.
So, every dive that is awarded a penalty is actually a correct penalty. I'll bet that you won't have anything against an Arsenal player in weekend if he dives and we lost the game because referee was entitled to give a penalty.
Na, it's just easier to bash Ashley Young than criticise that god-awful performance.
The Sociedad defender screwed up by tugging him and leaving himself at the mercy of the ref. Same as Nani did when he clashed with the Ramos last season.
We can get annoyed about refs making soft decisions. But if you make feck-ups to leave yourself at their mercy then you will suffer. And thats the exact argument that Keane and the rest of the football world used when we were crying about 'injustice' and Madrid went through.
So, why on earth bring Gordon Strachan into the argument if it is the referees decision??? For me, Young is giving us a bad name and the sooner we get rid, the better.
Every penalty that is awarded is a penalty. If Jones or Smalling tug on Giroud, and he takes advantage, will everyone on here absolve our players of blame? Or will we just scream 'injustice'! and get "sympathy" from the football world, while Arsenal get the points?
And every cheating is cheating. Young cheated yesterday, it amazes me how you and one or two other persons here try to justify it. Yesterday was a penalty only because the referee made a mistake by awarding a penalty because a player of us cheated.
There was contact. If there was none then maybe the the moral high horse stuff would be justified. As it is, it was a situation that plenty of refs would have seen as a penalty. Not a mistake, jut a matter of opinion. And if you leave yourself at the mercy of a refs opinion then you're asking for trouble.
@ people still trying to say there was no tug.Well, football is a contact sport and usually there is always contact when there are pplayers near each other. Did Young deliberately went to floor or he couldn't continue staying on his feet though? I don't think that anyone could genuinely argue that the later was the case, he could have continued if he wanted. If that was a pen because there was contact, I think that in every game there should be 10+ penalties because I bet that in every game there are more than 10 times there is contact between players in the zone.
its all down to a refs opinion. Don't tug on attackers running with the ball in the box and no worries. Do it and you're taking a risk. That's football.
I agree, do you imagine how many penalties we could have given away considering the number of times our defenders tug at other players? Come on, this is Ashley Young who has previous for it. The match was officiated by an Italian referee and as such, is probably used to giving soft penalties or penalties for nothing. In the premier league, the referee would have asked Young to get up.
What's your point, seriously? That the referee cannot be wrong, that Young didn't dived yesterday?
From the rules of the game:
A direct free kick is awarded when a player commits any of the following in a manner considered by the referee to be careless, reckless or using excessive force:
- Kicks or attempts to kick an opponent
- Trips or attempts to trip an opponent
- Jumps at an opponent
- Charges an opponent
- Strikes or attempts to strike an opponent
- Pushes an opponent
- Tackles an opponent
- Holds an opponent
- Spits at an opponent
- Handles the ball deliberately (except for the goalkeeper within his own penalty area).
The problem is Young doesn't make it easy for himself. The missed sitters from Hernandez and RVP get excused easier as both have delivered the goods for us on countless occasions. Young mainly gets noticed for mistakes and dives recently, he has nobody but himself to blame for the spotlight he is in.
it was a foul. He was tugged. so penalty. Did Young make a meal of it...probably.
We're playing in the CL. If our players try to handle attackers in the box in Europe in front of the ref then it is a risk being taken, and the football world, and this forum, will accuse Moyes of inexperience if some opposing team takes advantage of the situation. Nobody, but nobody, will say we were "robbed".
Holds, not getting touched.
Do you seriously think that this was a pen:
Again, to support Revans argument, if there were penalties given for holding each and every time, god help us when we play Arsenal and we have 10 corners each, for there could be 20 penalties in the match. Do you see how ridiculous it is now? Giving a penalty for holding is ridiculous and at best, the defender probably touched Young's hand, but not enough to make an athlete fall over as if he had been shot by a sniper.
I already see how ridiculous the decision was. I don't really care. The ref thought it was a hold he was standing right there. I've moved on already and don't care..
.What he has also said is 'trying to make the ref known of a foul isn't the same as diving'... when it clearly is.
.What are you trying to suggest. My point was when he was compared with Nani/Ronaldo. They get hitted and fall because you know they got hit and couldn't continue and then they scream and make some antics. It isn't great but the point still stands, they got hit and they fall in the pitch because of that. Young on the other side is completely different, there wasn't any reason why he fell yesterday, he could have continued if he wanted.
Just one thing; thanks Revan for the gif. If you watch carefully, Young is perfectly upright a couple of seconds after the tug until he realised that he wasn't going to get the ball.
His right foot clearly shows the dive.. The movement isn't natural and he pulls the leg back to go down..
I don't know, he did play OK but the cheating needs to stop..
I don't know, he did play OK but the cheating needs to stop..
You're just digging yourself deeper and it's hilarious. Do continue.
Apparently tugging an attacker with the ball in the box is never given as penalty now. I must have imagined decades of football matches.
I already see how ridiculous the decision was. I don't really care. The ref thought it was a hold he was standing right there. I've moved on already and don't care..
What he has also said is 'trying to make the ref known of
No, it isn't. This is what Nani usually does:
Compare it to what Young did yesterday. Are they the same, and did both player cheated?
I already see how ridiculous the decision was. I don't really care. The ref thought it was a hold he was standing right there. I've moved on already and don't care..
What he has also said is 'trying to make the ref known of a foul isn't the same as diving'... when it clearly is.
The referee for information purposes was behind the defender and there is no way he could have seen the contact, if there had been any contact that is. If you don't care, then why debate the issue?
Oh, shame on me! How I can't see that a player screaming for getting hit is the same as a player getting down without getting hit.
Because I find it hilarious the lengths people are going to because it's Ashley Young. The ref gave a yellow card, he had to know what the foul was for.
And the attackers who are being tugged when a corner is taken?? Surely you are in agreement that in that case, a penalty should be awarded after every corner...don't you agree or is that hyperbole on my part?
Neymar today is a great example of what Revan is going on about, it's the same thing. 'Making it known that someone is fouling you'. Essentially it's milking a penalty, there is contact on young he's clearly tugged and he just goes down.
Hundreds upon hundreds of players do it. Yet Young is getting chastised to the hilt over this one. It just shows the drama fannies for who they are and why they want to get outraged and mash the keyboard in anger.
I have seen the gif, and the referee was in no way in any position to give it since his view was blocked by the defender. Therefore he would have to rely on his official near the goal line to assist him. This did not happen since it was an immediate decision. Therefore, the referee saw our player fall over, assumed it was foul play and gave a penalty.
What are you trying to prove with Neymar? I like Barcelona but for me, it was a soft penalty.