Skizzo vs RedTiger @ Lords

Who will win the ODI?

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Skizzo said:
:lol: hey, cricket has been using the video replays to help decisions for a while right? Steps ahead!
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That's only because the umpires are a bunch of geezers who can't tell their ass from their face. No disrespect meant to Bucknor, Shepard and the other one.
 
I like RedTiger's team more, but he has literally no acceleration at the end.

I like a team with steady openers, one or two middle order attackers and explosive finishers. Neither of these have that but am tempted to go for Skizzo because of Skizzo's openers..

Will think before voting
 
I voted for RT because I like his bowling attack more though I don't think there is much between the two teams.
 
Ayush_reddevil said:
I voted for RT because I like his bowling attack more though I don't think there is much between the two teams.
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Skizzo's quote from OP:

While I'm sure there will be some argument centered around RedTiger/Varun bowlers against my batsmen, its worth noting that no full time bowler on their team averages under 30 in England. Conditions they don't perform their best on, won't yield the same results in differing conditions. One of their opening batsman has no games in England, while another top order batsman has a S/R in the 60's.
 
OK, some better readable stats!

Amla - avg- 52.13, S/R - 89.09
In England - avg - 71.00

Gilchrist - avg- 35.89, S/R - 96.95
In England - avg - 41.21

Dippenaar - avg - 42.33, S/R - 67.78
In England - N/A

Miandad - avg - 41.70, S/R - 67.01
In England - avg - 39.38

Sarwan - avg - 42.68, S/R - 75.70
In England - avg - 34.73

Franklin - avg - 23.98, S/R - 76.89
In England - avg - 23.00

Styris - avg - 32.49, S/R - 70.39
In England - avg - 46.14

Johnson - avg - 16.12, S/R - 96.35
In England - avg - 21.40

Broad - avg - 12.31, S/R - 74.61
In England - 13.84

Vaas - avg - 13.68, S/R - 72.35
In England - avg - 17.78

Kumble - avg - 10.54, S/R - 61.07
In England - avg - 9.00
 
This is really close. May not vote at all.
 
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Back to draft - I think people are underestimating Amla as an opener here, and letting Gayle's T20 performances cloud their judgement.

Amla as a ODI opener averages over 50. He was top of the ICC ODI batting charts for 3 consecutive years, and he has broken countless records placed by Sir Viv. He is the real deal.

Gilchrist and Sanath probably cancel each other out (even though I think Gilchrist edges it), but Amla's record in ODIs is phenomenal.
 
LeChuck said:
Back to draft - I think people are underestimating Amla as an opener here, and letting Gayle's T20 performances cloud their judgement.

Amla as a ODI opener averages over 50. He was top of the ICC ODI batting charts for 3 consecutive years, and he has broken countless records placed by Sir Viv. He is the real deal.

Gilchrist and Sanath probably cancel each other out (even though I think Gilchrist edges it), but Amla's record in ODIs is phenomenal.
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Especially when you take amla's avg in England into consideration... 71.00:eek:
 
LeChuck said:
Back to draft - I think people are underestimating Amla as an opener here, and letting Gayle's T20 performances cloud their judgement.

Amla as a ODI opener averages over 50. He was top of the ICC ODI batting charts for 3 consecutive years, and he has broken countless records placed by Sir Viv. He is the real deal.

Gilchrist and Sanath probably cancel each other out (even though I think Gilchrist edges it), but Amla's record in ODIs is phenomenal.
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Gayle has 22 centuries, and 47 fifties, and a top score of 215 in ODI. Whose judgement is clouded enough to not think those are pretty bad ass numbers? I don't think I ever claimed Amla wasn't a great ODI batsman, although if others have, then fair enough.
 
Skizzo said:
Gayle has 22 centuries, and 47 fifties, and a top score of 215 in ODI. Whose judgement is clouded enough to not think those are pretty bad ass numbers? I don't think I ever claimed Amla wasn't a great ODI batsman, although if others have, then fair enough.
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That is crazy good, but his avg as an opener is a smidge under 40. Amla's ODI career hasn't been as lengthy as Gayle's.

Amla in 131 ODIs has got 6200+ runs.

Gayle in 269 ODIs has got 9200+ runs. If Amla was to play that amount of ODIs he'd easily get beyond that figure.
 
LeChuck said:
That is crazy good, but his avg as an opener is a smidge under 40. Amla's ODI career hasn't been as lengthy as Gayle's.

Amla in 131 ODIs has got 6200+ runs.

Gayle in 269 ODIs has got 9000+ runs. If Amla was to play that amount of ODIs he'd easily get beyond that figure.
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No doubt, I don't think anyone has an issue with either pair of openers. I certainly would t discredit either of yours. It's as we progress along.

If Gayle/Jaya are out (after putting up monstrous numbers of course :p ) then Trott comes in. Trott has been invaluable for England as a number three, putting up solid numbers, and bringing some stability.

That might have been a valid criticism of Trott, but none can deny the solidity he brought to England's top order in ODIs too. Among the 22 England batsmen who've scored at least 2000 runs in this format, none have an average anywhere near Trott's 51.25; the next-best is Kevin Pietersen's 41.32.

Moreover, one look at England's stats at No. 3 since Trott last played an ODI illustrates just how valuable he was at that position: in 37 matches, England's No. 3 batsmen have averaged 22.79 at a strike rate of 69.81; in 61 matches at No. 3, Trott had an average of 49.71 and a strike rate of 77.97.

As mentioned earlier, Trott is one of only six batsmen to score at least 2500 ODI runs at a 50-plus average. Four of the other five are still active ODI players, which means their average may or may not stay above 50 by the time they retire. Michael Bevan is the only other retired batsman in this list - his strike rate is similar to Trott's though he played in an earlier era.
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After your opening two, your three and four come in and they BOTH have a S/R in the 60s. When you're chasing a game with a (probable) big run total, and 2 of your top 4 have a low S/R (one not batting in England at all, but we'll gloss over that for now) you're going to struggle to keep pace.

That isn't even touching on the fact that my bowlers all have multiple wicket ODI matches in England, and I have the best fielder to play the game who is good for keeping runs off the board.

With a couple of low S/R batsman in the top order, and no top tier chaser at the end, I don't see them able to quite make up the ground.
 
Skizzo said:
No doubt, I don't think anyone has an issue with either pair of openers. I certainly would t discredit either of yours. It's as we progress along.

If Gayle/Jaya are out (after putting up monstrous numbers of course :p ) then Trott comes in. Trott has been invaluable for England as a number three, putting up solid numbers, and bringing some stability.



After your opening two, your three and four come in and they BOTH have a S/R in the 60s. When you're chasing a game with a (probable) big run total, and 2 of your top 4 have a low S/R (one not batting in England at all, but we'll gloss over that for now) you're going to struggle to keep pace.

That isn't even touching on the fact that my bowlers all have multiple wicket ODI matches in England, and I have the best fielder to play the game who is good for keeping runs off the board.

With a couple of low S/R batsman in the top order, and no top tier chaser at the end, I don't see them able to quite make up the ground.
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You may have the best fielder, but we have the best wicketkeeper hands down.
 
@LeChuck, lovely photos and what a lovely stadium. You really did have excellent seats. But why were those madridistas having a diaper above their head ?
 
And like someone said before, this is crazy close. 8-8 so far.
 
9pm here, so probably winding down in a bit, and will miss the end of this. So just gonna throw a few final points around.

  • Openers Gayle and Jaya, both with solid averages, and both have a high score of 180+ in England. Potential for a big lead with those two.
  • Trott coming in at three is a solid batsman. Averaging over 50, he can provide a smooth transition after the first wicket.
  • Opposition bowlers all have averages in England over 30. Against big hitters, that's likely to rise.
  • Opposition openers will come in needing to chase a big score. They're up against the best spinner in Murali, and McDermott who averages under 20 in England!
  • If an early wicket falls in the chase, the third AND fourth batsman have low strike rates. Not what you need when chasing a large lead. Especially when one of them has never even played in England!
  • When chasing a large lead, especially when wickets start falling, risks will be taken. We have a solid wicket keeper, and the best fielder ever, to capitalize on mistakes and poor shots. Jonty is just as good at running people out with throws too, so no sneaky singles to keep the runs ticking.
  • Bravo is a solid bowler to come in for the death overs. Very helpful when looking to stifle any late runs.
  • No top quality finisher/chaser in the opposition to make up the difference in those runs. It's gonna be tough to chase once that top and middle order folds.
 
The XIs:

@Skizzo : 1. Gayle 2. Jayasuriya 3. Trott 4. Inzamam 5. DJ Bravo 6. Jonty Rhodes 7. Rod Marsh 8. Southee 9. McDermott 10. Murali 11. Tsotsobe

@RedTiger : 1. Amla 2. Gilchrist 3. Dippenaar 4. Miandad 5. Sarwan 6. Franklin 7. Styris 8. Mitchell Johnson 9. Broad 10. Vaas 11. Kumble


RT's batting is way too weak for me to even consider him. He shudders to a halt at Sarwan, who himself is one of the most frustrating talents. Zero application and zero consistency. Franklin shouldn't be counted as a batsman IMO, nor should Styris for their one off knocks.

So what you have us basically a whole load of pressure on Amla and Miandad to build an innings and stay there till the end. Gilly will do as Gilly does, and Dippenaar is just about ok.
 
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