Skizzo vs RedTiger @ Lords

Who will win the ODI?

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Boycott said:
What's your strategy to win this game? I gave a few thoughts earlier but you may disagree. Before I vote I'll let you elaborate :)
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Our strategy is is to keep skizzo to a low score and then to chase it down... Lol

We have 2 of the statistically best openers starting for us, hopefully they kick on and put a good score up, dippenaar comes in at 3 to stabilise the loss of wicket ( he normally plays as an opener but his average is only slightly less playing as 3), once he's set, he will be expected to bat through the innings while allowing the remaining players to play the big shots, If another wicket falls then we expect miandad to carry the innings instead (both more than capable).

Fielding wise, Lord's is known to be a swinging wicket and with skizzo batting first we believe we will take advantage of this in the first innings with the new ball and with quality pacers to start the attack (even Kumble is known to perform well on bouncy surfaces).

Murali is a quality bowler but he can only bowl 10 overs, imo Skizzo's other bowlers are so so and not on par with our line-up as a whole. We have players with a wide variation of deliveries.
 
LeChuck said:
Varun is a top poster too, easy mistake to make!
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This is another close one imo. On first blush I'm leaning Skizzo but I haven't really put any thought into it yet. Skizzo's bowling looks more consistent and his batsmen can score quicker than RT's. A large total will be impossible to chase down. However, most of RT's tail can bat a bit too whereas Skizzo has some total bunnies.
 
Also, just FYI for everyone, regarding my players stats, I researched and pulled their batting/ bowling from England only, since that's where we are playing.

On the flip side, RedTiger and VaChuck have career averages I believe?

That's why I mentioned in my OP under the "why I believe..." Heading that we have an advantage. Coming in to chase, 2 of his top order either haven't batter in England at all, or have a very low strike rate. Neither of which would be much help when trying to chase a bit score. All of my bowlers have had multiple wicket games in England (best games references their best wicket haul/runs total in England) so are capable of taking wickets when batsman are unfamiliar with terrain, or taking some risks to chase the score.
 
Akshay said:
This is another close one imo. On first blush I'm leaning Skizzo but I haven't really put any thought into it yet. Skizzo's bowling looks more consistent and his batsmen can score quicker than RT's. A large total will be impossible to chase down. However, most of RT's tail can bat a bit too whereas Skizzo has some total bunnies.
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Touched on this above a bit. Consistent bowling, and low averages in England (under 20 for McDermott!) and on the flip side, some possible struggles in the opposition top order with unfamiliar terrain and a low S/R, could leave the tail end with too much to do. Especially with Bravo being a more than decent death bowler.
 
Leaning towards RT atm as I think both his bowling and batting are slightly better. Have voted lest I forget. Will think about this more tomorrow and put a final vote.
 
Some discussion among the 2 teams on why they will win would be good.
 
Skizzo said:
I did in the OP, and a couple of posts above you :)
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Yeah, I read it mate. Was hoping RT/LeChuck would do similarly. I don't see performances in England specifically that important. It's more about conditions.
 
Not to mention, when you're chasing a game, the last guy you would want in the field is the fella.





Between his catching, fielding, and throws...he's gonna keep the batsmen honest, and is a good way to keep that score down on top of the bowling.
 
Varun said:
Yeah, I read it mate. Was hoping RT/LeChuck would do similarly. I don't see performances in England specifically that important. It's more about conditions.
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What better way to judge performances in England, than looking at performances in England? Not saying it's a be all/end all, but when your top order hasn't played there, or has a low S/R, especially in a game you need to chase a big score, it can be the difference in a potentially tight game.

Just my .02 at least :)
 
I'm not gonna be much help to RT so this is just off the top of my head.

- Dippenaar - he is one of the classiest and most consistent batsmen to have played for South Africa. 4th highest average in ODI, and the man you want to build an innings after some fireworks from the openers. Retired early to get a law degree I believe. We went with him over Misbah as Misbah's best performances come when he's down the order and we wanted to fill those players with pinch hitters that can accelerate the total for a minor amount. There's no need for a rescue act from Misbah.

Miandad - one of the best batsmen to have played the game. Can play aggressively if needed or conservatively, an orthodox stroke player who will keep the innings ticking over. Iirc - has a top average in England too.

Vaas / Johsnon are two of the best ODI strike bowlers you'll see. Vaas is SL's best ever pace bowler with a ridiculous economy and only the 4th guy to get 400 ODI wickets or more. He will deffo get you wickets. Johnson - I'm a huge fan of this guy. Can swing it both ways and has had some devastating spells in ODIs...His record in 2011 (I think) was astounding.

Gilchrist - a big game player. Consecutive 50+ scores in WC finals and the best of the lot was his 149 v Sri Lanka in 2007. Voted
The best innings ever in an ODI final. It was beautiful top order aggressive batting. The best ever batting WK and a 3 time World Cup winner.

Amla - the best batter around. An ODI average over 50, a strike rate over 90, he is the best opener to play the game currently and if he keeps his trajectory, he will be up there with the little master and Sir Viv as far as I'm concerned.
 
Skizzo said:
What better way to judge performances in England, than looking at performances in England? Not saying it's a be all/end all, but when your top order hasn't played there, or has a low S/R, especially in a game you need to chase a big score, it can be the difference in a potentially tight game.

Just my .02 at least :)
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Pitches and venues are just meant to be indicative of the conditions here. So I'm looking at this as a good cricket pitch with help for seam bowling. A batsman from his side never having played there specifically isn't a problem as long as they have played in such conditions. Low SR is a fair point.
 
Guys, I know my write-up is haphazard and underwhelming but that shouldn't detract you from there fact that my players are generally better. I know that the stats I put up are not very user friendly but I assure you that the figures are impressive. If you allow me a few hours, I will re-do the stats in a more readable format.
 
RedTiger said:
Guys, I know my write-up is haphazard and underwhelming but that shouldn't detract you from there fact that my players are generally better. I know that the stats I put up are not very user friendly but I assure you that the figures are impressive. If you allow me a few hours, I will re-do the stats in a more readable format.
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I don't think there's much in it.
 
Varun said:
Pitches and venues are just meant to be indicative of the conditions here. So I'm looking at this as a good cricket pitch with help for seam bowling. A batsman from his side never having played there specifically isn't a problem as long as they have played in such conditions. Low SR is a fair point.
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So Conditions in England ideally will see some seam and a little bit of assist for the spinners right ? If it's a Day match that is. Btw, @Skills s, I think MJJ's idea of giving an idea of what the conditions are like in the OP would be good. This debate happened in the test drafts as well.
 
Take your time RT. Btw, @LeChuck , how was the derby experience ? Which team did you support ?
 
Ijazz17 said:
So Conditions in England ideally will see some seam and a little bit of assist for the spinners right ? If it's a Day match that is. Btw, @Skills s, I think MJJ's idea of giving an idea of what the conditions are like in the OP would be good. This debate happened in the test drafts as well.
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Don't think spinners will come into play too much at Lords in an ODI. That said, murali would make an impact anywhere and kumble wasn't reliant on pitches turning so it's 2 top spinners here both of whom should have an impact.
 
Varun said:
Don't think spinners will come into play too much at Lords in an ODI. That said, murali would make an impact anywhere and kumble wasn't reliant on pitches turning so it's 2 top spinners here both of whom should have an impact.
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I think it would. Like you said, it isn't Lords we are talking about, but the conditions of England in general. I think there should be some turn as the shine on the ball wears off. Murali will definitely get some assist and as you rightly said, Kumble wasn't the sort that relied heavily on turn on the pitch. It was more about bounce, pace and variations with him.
 
Ijazz17 said:
I think it would. Like you said, it isn't Lords we are talking about, but the conditions of England in general. I think there should be some turn as the shine on the ball wears off. Murali will definitely get some assist and as you rightly said, Kumble wasn't the sort that relied heavily on turn on the pitch. It was more about bounce, pace and variations with him.
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Exactly. Even though it's a pitch that assists pacers, both spinners here will play a role.
 
RedTiger said:
I think my middle order from miandad onwards is better than skizzo, both in averages and strike-rates.
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I would say his top order is better. Though he does have 3 duds with the bat at the end.
 
Varun said:
Exactly. Even though it's a pitch that assists pacers, both spinners here will play a role.
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Hmm, I sort of like this game to be honest. It's not like an Asia XI vs ROW XI. Both teams have lots of strengths and weaknesses. But need more from RT though.
 
Ijazz17 said:
Take your time RT. Btw, @LeChuck , how was the derby experience ? Which team did you support ?
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We had really good seats, I'll try and post some pics later. The game wasn't great tbf, Sineone has nailed Atleti's defensive shape. Very hard to break down. Ronaldo missed two sitters.

Atmosphere wasn't great considering it was a derby. Very flat I felt.

We ended up driving 6 hours across to Barca yday as my mate got Barca Sevilla tix. atmosphere was better there, but MSN weren't at their best. A pretty action packed weekend...and I managed to get Messi's free kick goal recorded on my camera...might try and get Sport Bible to buy it off me.
 
LeChuck said:
We had really good seats, I'll try and post some pics later. The game wasn't great tbf, Sineone has nailed Atleti's defensive shape. Very hard to break down. Ronaldo missed two sitters.

Atmosphere wasn't great considering it was a derby. Very flat I felt.

We ended up driving 6 hours across to Barca yday as my mate got Barca Sevilla tix. atmosphere was better there, but MSN weren't at their best. A pretty action packed weekend...and I managed to get Messi's free kick goal recorded on my camera...might try and get Sport Bible to buy it off me.
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Yes please on the bolded part :) hope you had a good time anyway!
 
LeChuck said:
We had really good seats, I'll try and post some pics later. The game wasn't great tbf, Sineone has nailed Atleti's defensive shape. Very hard to break down. Ronaldo missed two sitters.

Atmosphere wasn't great considering it was a derby. Very flat I felt.

We ended up driving 6 hours across to Barca yday as my mate got Barca Sevilla tix. atmosphere was better there, but MSN weren't at their best. A pretty action packed weekend...and I managed to get Messi's free kick goal recorded on my camera...might try and get Sport Bible to buy it off me.
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Great to hear that mate. And definitely do look forward to seeing the pics.
 
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