Silvestre leaving as well

[Yianni]

If Mickey leaves we will be 7 defenders for 4 roles. If Saha leaves we will be having 4 strikers (Rooney, Tevez, Manucho, Campbell) for two roles. In both cases we can move around players to cover holes. Hargreaves can play in right back in the same way Giggs/Scholes/Anderson can play upfront. We are even more comfortable in the goalkeepers department. I mean if Foster leaves we would still have a world class keeper (VDS) backed by Polish international Kuschak. Why different weights and measures?

Nevile, Rio, Vidic, Evra, Brown, Oshea, Evans, Simpson - 8 defenders

Manucho hasn't got a work permit yet.

When was the last time a home grown striker made a significant role in the first team squad? So I wouldn't count Campbell as being one of the strikers we will use, just like I wouldn't count Welbeck. Not saying their not good enough, but if Rossi couldn't get some games then sadly I don't see much hope for these two in the near future. So really, we only have Rooney and Tevez. It didn't bother us last season, but I think it's obvious, even in SAF's mind, we need one more.

 

[devilish]

Nevile, Rio, Vidic, Evra, Brown, Oshea, Evans, Simpson - 8 defenders

Manucho hasn't got a work permit yet.

When was the last time a home grown striker made a significant role in the first team squad? So I wouldn't count Campbell as being one of the strikers we will use, just like I wouldn't count Welbeck. Not saying their not good enough, but if Rossi couldn't get some games then sadly I don't see much hope for these two in the near future. So really, we only have Rooney and Tevez. It didn't bother us last season, but I think it's obvious, even in SAF's mind, we need one more.

If you add Carthcart, the Brazilian twins and the tea lady's great son, we would be having 12...... Simpson has no chance in making it. I wonder how you rate him so much since you have little faith in Campbell (who did so well this season) + god knows whether Gaz can return to his former glory (two weeks remember?). That would leave us to 7 and Im being optimistic (Gaz will return and do well).

I believe that we need to replace Mickey in the same way that we need to replace Saha. This 'we can live without him because we did it before' excuse is a bit ridiculous.

 

[Yianni]

Hagreaves did a good job filling in but I think he's better in midfield and I wasn't overly impressed with Brown last season. Brilliant that he did so well in not his favored position of course but I wouldn't want him as our future right back. Imo right back and left wing were the two biggest problem positions last season, Nani should make left wing his own next year but I'd like us to get the right back position sorted this summer.

We are so well equipped in the middle that if we absolutely had too, we wouldn't be affected in moving Hargreaves at right back for a spell like we did last season.

Brown might not be everyones first choice at right back, but personally, I wouldn't be upset if he were to play there next season. His primary role is to prevent the opposition from scoring and he did that well forming a great partnership with the others in the back four. He may not be the best crosser of the ball, but so long as he does his first job right, I wouldn't complain too much.

 

[Brwned]

Do we? We will be having OShea, Gaz (if he still up to the job), Rio, Vidic, Evra, Wes and Evans. The rest are either youngsters with no experience or players who are played out of position. The only cover we have for Rio and Vidic are OShea (quite crap as central back), Wes (good defender but may be needed as right back) and Evans (untested at this level).

Nevile, Rio, Vidic, Evra, Brown, Oshea, Evans and Simpson have all proven they are up to the task. Simpson is the only one who has a question mark around him with regards to ability.

BTW Anderson had played many games with us behind the main striker and Id rather see Scholes upfront then Fletcher as right back. What's next should we try Queroz as central back and see how he performs?

Scholes hasn't played up front in years, Fletcher played there last year. Anderson has had one or two 30 minute cameos up front, and failed miserably. You're just plain resorting to lying now.

And who told you that Manucho wont be with us next season? According to him he will be in our team next season. Do you know something that he doesnt know?

Yes. He cannot gain a work permit seeing as he got injured and missed out on 2 of Angola's matches, meaning we will have to wait until January. He made those quotes during March, things change.

So that leaves two strikers and seven defenders, as you seem to think. But apparently we would need more cover in defence for some reason.

 

[devilish]

We are so well equipped in the middle that if we absolutely had too, we wouldn't be affected in moving Hargreaves at right back for a spell like we did last season.

Brown might not be everyones first choice at right back, but personally, I wouldn't be upset if he were to play there next season. His primary role is to prevent the opposition from scoring and he did that well forming a great partnership with the others in the back four. He may not be the best crosser of the ball, but so long as he does his first job right, I wouldn't complain too much.

Hargreaves is injury prone too but thats not the issue.

The problem is not the rear flanks but central back. If both Vidic and Rio gets injured at the same time then we would be left to choose two between Wes, Evans and OShea. Hardly a great choice. Let us not forget that when the defense broke against Milan we had better options then we had with this defense. Despite all we fecked the CL semifinal because of that.

 

[devilish]

But apparently we would need more cover in defence for some reason.

Where have I said that?

You seem to imagine a lot do you?

 

[Brwned]

Where have I said that?

You seem to imagine a lot do you?

Your argument for the past 20-30 minutes has been based on that. And seeing as you didn't reply to the rest of my quote I think it's fair to say your argument has been proven to be bollocks, basically. Too many ifs and buts and not enough logical thinking on your part.

 

[Yianni]

If you add Carthcart, the Brazilian twins and the tea lady's great son, we would be having 12...... Simpson has no chance in making it. I wonder how you rate him so much since you have little faith in Campbell (who did so well this season) + god knows whether Gaz can return to his former glory (two weeks remember?). That would leave us to 7 and Im being optimistic (Gaz will return and do well).

I believe that we need to replace Mickey in the same way that we need to replace Saha. This 'we can live without him because we did it before' excuse is a bit ridiculous.

I do indeed rate Simpson, but at the same time, there are 4 players who can play his position - Neville, Brown, Hargreaves, Oshea.

I don't have faith in Campbell playing for us next season, not because I don't think he is good enough, but because I'm confident we will end up buying a striker. It makes sense going out and buying one. The possibility of selling Silvestre and saha is different. There are more players covering defence then there are strikers and that's not including moving some of the midfielders around.

You use 'what if' too much Dev. Your not easily pleased are you. The way your talking sounds like you don't believe this squad is good enough to win anything even though it was only last month we completed the double. Most probably feel nothing needs to change and we could do the same thing and I don't blame them.

 

[devilish]

Your argument for the past 20-30 minutes has been based on that. And seeing as you didn't reply to the rest of my quote I think it's fair to say your argument has been proven to be bollocks, basically. Too many ifs and buts and not enough logical thinking on your part.

Well actually in previous posts ive said

I believe that we need to replace Mickey in the same way that we need to replace Saha. This 'we can live without him because we did it before' excuse is a bit ridiculous.

I tend not to like answering to people who dont seem to care reading my posts in the first place.

 

[Yianni]

Hargreaves is injury prone too but thats not the issue.

The problem is not the rear flanks but central back. If both Vidic and Rio gets injured at the same time then we would be left to choose two between Wes, Evans and OShea. Hardly a great choice. Let us not forget that when the defense broke against Milan we had better options then we had with this defense. Despite all we fecked the CL semifinal because of that.

If anyone had Rio and Vidic in their team and both got injured then it's guaranteed the team will be fecked Dev. No one has players in their squad which could come in and do the same job as though they had never left. You're talking about the best defensive partnership in the world.

 

[devilish]

I do indeed rate Simpson, but at the same time, there are 4 players who can play his position - Neville, Brown, Hargreaves, Oshea.

I don't have faith in Campbell playing for us next season, not because I don't think he is good enough, but because I'm confident we will end up buying a striker. It makes sense going out and buying one. The possibility of selling Silvestre and saha is different. There are more players covering defence then there are strikers and that's not including moving some of the midfielders around.

You use 'what if' too much Dev. Your not easily pleased are you. The way your talking sounds like you don't believe this squad is good enough to win anything even though it was only last month we completed the double. Most probably feel nothing needs to change and we could do the same thing and I don't blame them.

Ive answered you much of this post in the previous post.

BTW if you are selling Mickey then you are changing the side. Im not saying that we should replace the entire team, Im just saying that if you are selling a player then you should replace him with another.

 

[Brwned]

Well actually in previous posts ive said

I believe that we need to replace Mickey in the same way that we need to replace Saha. This 'we can live without him because we did it before' excuse is a bit ridiculous.

Saha will never recover, he needs to go. We will then have two recognized strikers. Silvestre wants to leave, but if he doesn't he could do a job. We will have 3 back-up defenders if Silvestre leaves, in your words. Compare that to no back-up in the striking department.

You're starting to make very little sense in your argument now, sum it up in a few brief points.

 

[Yianni]

Ive answered you much of this post in the previous post.

BTW if you are selling Mickey then you are changing the side. Im not saying that we should replace the entire team, Im just saying that if you are selling a player then you should replace him with another.

We are selling a player who played 5 matches last season. We can afford to sit back and do nothing about it.

 

[devilish]

If anyone had Rio and Vidic in their team and both got injured then it's guaranteed the team will be fecked Dev. No one has players in their squad which could come in and do the same job as though they had never left. You're talking about the best defensive partnership in the world.

We are selling a player who played 5 matches last season. We can afford to sit back and do nothing about it.

No one expects that the level of football will be the same as having Vidic and Rio. Stating that you just have to have adequate cover for them. If Inter loses their first team central backs they know that they can always rely on Samuel and Chivu. Last season we also started up with a much experienced duo as cover (Wes and Mickey). Unfortunately injuries hit us hard, we had to adapt and we were lucky not to lose our first team central backs at the same time. Let us not tempt luck a bit too much.

 

[devilish]

Saha will never recover, he needs to go. We will then have two recognized strikers. Silvestre wants to leave, but if he doesn't he could do a job. We will have 3 back-up defenders if Silvestre leaves, in your words. Compare that to no back-up in the striking department.

You're starting to make very little sense in your argument now, sum it up in a few brief points.

Where have Mickey said that he wants to leave?

 

[Brwned]

We are selling a player who played 5 matches last season. We can afford to sit back and do nothing about it.

If that were the case we then wouldn't need to replace Saha either.

 

[devilish]

If that were the case we then wouldn't need to replace Saha either.

my point exactly.

Our team is strong as it is. What we need to do is restructuring it ie cut away the dead wood and replace it with decent talent (not neccesarly world class) who can do us some good.

EX Saha had been a dead weight and we should replace him
Ex if Silvestre leaves then we need adequate replacement for him.

A year ago we lost against AC Milan mainly due our inability to replace our injuries with decent talent. That defense was stronger then it is now. Let us not do the same mistake again.

 

[Brwned]

Where have Mickey said that he wants to leave?

He said he would be open to the possibility of moving to Bordeaux, in other words he wouldn't mind a move away if he can get first team football.

 

[devilish]

He said he would be open to the possibility of moving to Bordeaux, in other words he wouldn't mind a move away if he can get first team football.

there is a slight difference between Im open to the possibility of moving to Bordeaux and I want to leave.

 

[Brwned]

there is a slight difference between Im open to the possibility of moving to Bordeaux and I want to leave.

One is a display of loyalty and the other is something that a cnut like Drogba would say. Both have the same meaning. If he is in talks with other clubs, he wants to leave.

 

[devilish]

One is a display of loyalty and the other is something that a cnut like Drogba would say. Both have the same meaning. If he is in talks with other clubs, he wants to leave.

I would be more gutted if Mickey said that he will honour his last year of contract and leave on free next year then that.

 

[Brwned]

I would be more gutted if Mickey said that he will honour his last year of contract and leave on free next year then that.

Why? It's not like we will be getting big money for him.

 

[Yianni]

No one expects that the level of football will be the same as having Vidic and Rio. Stating that you just have to have adequate cover for them. If Inter loses their first team central backs they know that they can always rely on Samuel and Chivu. Last season we also started up with a much experienced duo as cover (Wes and Mickey). Unfortunately injuries hit us hard, we had to adapt and we were lucky not to lose our first team central backs at the same time. Let us not tempt luck a bit too much.

I do see your point Dev, but your arguing over a player who has barely played in the last two seasons. Hence, we can afford to lose him and not do anything about it. Problem is though, you don't rate Oshea at all which a lot of people do. His not the best player in the world but Brown-Oshea isn't too bad for a couple of games. You perceive that as instant 3 points dropped if ever that were to occur and we are certainly not going to go out and buy players to cover every single scenario there is in football.

 

[devilish]

Why? It's not like we will be getting big money for him.

He is giving us options

a) he stays here, honour his contract and maybe we will have the time to discuss his future with us

b) he leaves now and we will take a fee for his services.

Mickey is not the best defender we had ever had but he had always been loyal to us.

 

[devilish]

I do see your point Dev, but your arguing over a player who has barely played in the last two seasons. Hence, we can afford to lose him and not do anything about it. Problem is though, you don't rate Oshea at all which a lot of people do. His not the best player in the world but Brown-Oshea isn't too bad for a couple of games. You perceive that as instant 3 points dropped if ever that were to occur and we are certainly not going to go out and buy players to cover every single scenario there is in football.

I dont rate OShea as central back, that is true. He was tested in that role during this season, He did well in the first game but he ended up being substituted in the other one because he was crap. You just have to be better then that to cover such important role where one mistake will result into a goal.

 

[Yianni]

If that were the case we then wouldn't need to replace Saha either.

It's not the same case. Like I pointed out to Dev before because he asked the same thing, even if Saha were fit, we would only have 3 strikers. I personally feel having a 4th striker is more of a priority then having a 9th defender.

However, realistically, we only have 2 strikers.

 

[Brwned]

He is giving us options

a) he stays here, honour his contract and maybe we will have the time to discuss his future with us

b) he leaves now and we will take a fee for his services.

Mickey is not the best defender we had ever had but he had always been loyal to us.

You said you would rather he leaves this year for a fee than next year for free. The post above does not answer my question.

 

[Brwned]

It's not the same case. Like I pointed out to Dev before because he asked the same thing, even if Saha were fit, we would only have 3 strikers. I personally feel having a 4th striker is more of a priority then having a 9th defender.

However, realistically, we only have 2 strikers.

I agree with your general argument. But saying we should not need to replace Silvestre because he was out all last season would mean we shouldn't need to replace Saha for the same reason. It counteracts your argument.

 

[Yianni]

I dont rate OShea as central back, that is true. He was tested in that role during this season, He did well in the first game but he ended up being substituted in the other one because he was crap. You just have to be better then that to cover such important role where one mistake will result into a goal.

Like I've said before, to be better then that is the sort of player who usually plays first team football and doesn't sit on the bench. Your squad players are never perfect. Your living in a dreamworld if you think squad players are supposed to be as good as the starting players and not allowed to make any mistakes or cause the team to drop points. We've been over this.

 

[Yianni]

I agree with your general argument. But saying we should not need to replace Silvestre because he was out all last season would mean we shouldn't need to replace Saha for the same reason. It counteracts your argument.

Initially that's true, but I've later gone on to explain in the thread what I meant by it.

 

[Sarni]

We will be fecked with only 8 defenders, out of whom two are youngsters, 1 is injury prone as feck and the other is quite shit, and Manucho with Campbell as our back-up strikers. I'm sorry, but the bench of O'Shea, Evans, Simpson, Campbell and Manucho looks like Newcastle standard at very, very best, not Manchester United.

If Silvestre leaves, we will have to sign at least one defender to cover and at least one striker as well. Anyone who doesn't see a problem must be blind.

 

[Twisted_Woody]

We will be fecked with only 8 defenders, out of whom two are youngsters, 1 is injury prone as feck and the other is quite shit, and Manucho with Campbell as our back-up strikers. I'm sorry, but the bench of O'Shea, Evans, Simpson, Campbell and Manucho looks like Newcastle standard at very, very best, not Manchester United.

If Silvestre leaves, we will have to sign at least one defender to cover and at least one striker as well. Anyone who doesn't see a problem must be blind.

Champions of England

Champions of Europe

and we have more people leaving than coming in.

 

[BlahRules]

It has been told we are awaiting for Euro 08, before we are gone start getting busy

 

[Twisted_Woody]

It has been told we are awaiting for Euro 08, before we are gone start getting busy

True, I would've thought there we be more muppetry however as to who we are linked with - it seems awfully quiet, it's almost eerie.

 

[R.N7]

I hope he stays. He has been a loyal servant to the club and he's still a very good player.

 

[Kelvin]

although Silvestre is only at best a sqaud player, he provide cover for Evra. Unless we are bringing someone in, won't want us to sell.

 

[devilish]

Like I've said before, to be better then that is the sort of player who usually plays first team football and doesn't sit on the bench. Your squad players are never perfect. Your living in a dreamworld if you think squad players are supposed to be as good as the starting players and not allowed to make any mistakes or cause the team to drop points. We've been over this.

where had I said that?

 

[devilish]

We will be fecked with only 8 defenders, out of whom two are youngsters, 1 is injury prone as feck and the other is quite shit, and Manucho with Campbell as our back-up strikers. I'm sorry, but the bench of O'Shea, Evans, Simpson, Campbell and Manucho looks like Newcastle standard at very, very best, not Manchester United.

If Silvestre leaves, we will have to sign at least one defender to cover and at least one striker as well. Anyone who doesn't see a problem must be blind.

my point exactly.

 

[Yianni]

where had I said that?

You've been implying it.

 

[anything about now]

my point exactly.

He was being sarcastic.