Should we renew De Gea's contract?

[Wilt]

He wants at least 200k and that's simply madness to give in to.

In reality he’d be lucky to get £50k, assuming he could find another club who would want him.

 

[edgecutter]

In reality he’d be lucky to get £50k, assuming he could find another club who would want him.

Exactly, we don't need to offer these wages when it's clear he wouldn't get it elsewhere, but the club has so much sentimentality that he will get it. Madness

 

[U.N.C.L.E]

DDG is not the cause, but a symptom.

The granting of ridiculously sized contracts coupled with a streak of nostalgia is deeply ingrained in this club…

 

[Wilt]

Exactly, we don't need to offer these wages when it's clear he wouldn't get it elsewhere, but the club has so much sentimentality that he will get it. Madness

It is madness, but nothing surprises me anymore when it comes to Utd renewing contracts.

 

[pascell]

He wants at least 200k and that's simply madness to give in to.

That will be bonuses included I'm sure. Whichever way we look at it, he's still a very good 'keeper and has kept us in games plenty of times.

It is no fluke he is currently leading the way in amount of clean sheets in the league this season.

 

[Dorris]

If we can’t afford another keeper just give Henderson a go.
It’d be very interesting to see where he’d go if we didn’t renew, I honestly think lower half La Liga is the best he could do. We’d still have lunatics in here claiming he’s top 3 in the world though.

 

[SAFMUTD]

What stats? Surely you can post them.

https://fbref.com/en/jugadores/7ba6d84e/David-de-Gea

There you go

 

[edgecutter]

That will be bonuses included I'm sure. Whichever way we look at it, he's still a very good 'keeper and has kept us in games plenty of times.

It is no fluke he is currently leading the way in amount of clean sheets in the league this season.

Clean sheets is a whole team achievement, not one for the goal keeper. When de gea was at his best he wasn't winning the golden glove due to what was in front of him. Please don't let clean sheets blind you when it's clear he isn't good enough for United.

 

[MadDogg]

If we can’t afford another keeper just give Henderson a go.
It’d be very interesting to see where he’d go if we didn’t renew, I honestly think lower half La Liga is the best he could do. We’d still have lunatics in here claiming he’s top 3 in the world though.

Spurs are the one English club that might be interested and could afford higher wages than what he'd probably get in Spain. I thought that even before what happened in the Newcastle match today, but now it's surely even more likely Spurs will be looking for a new keeper. I know all their fans want one.

Well, I guess all PL teams can probably afford higher wages than what most La Liga teams can, but not sure how far De Gea would be willing to drop down.

 

[Maticmaker]

We all know DeGea's weaknesses; not coming strongly for crosses/failure to command his own 6 yard box, and poor distribution. These have been around since he joined the club have not even got marginally better. Yet the number of times hes let us down as against Seville are few. The question is, how fast does ETH want to get us playing out from the back effectively?

I would suggest Erik has more important things to sort out (on the same score) with half his outfield players, whose attempts to play out from the back and/or to press in the oppositions final third, are at times laughable.

Any new contract would have to reflect David's lack of effectiveness in the new way of playing and if he cannot accept that, then there would be a parting of the waves.

Sad but true, surely ETH cannot accept the situation with him as it stands?

 

[AlPistacho]

https://fbref.com/en/jugadores/7ba6d84e/David-de-Gea

There you go

Comparing DDG to Ederson. DDG has faced double the amount of shots and has a higher save % and higher PSxG+/- than Ederson. Put Ederson in our team and people also moan about him but he makes less match saving saves and we’re in a worst off position.

 

[SAFMUTD]

Comparing DDG to Ederson. DDG has faced double the amount of shots and has a higher save % and higher PSxG+/- than Ederson. Put Ederson in our team and people also moan about him but he makes less match saving saves and we’re in a worst off position.

I'm not comparing De Gea to Ederson. I'm backing up my statement about De Gea not being a great shot stopper. As stats shows he's not great at anything in particular. The only stat in which he's in the 90 percentile is clean sheets which is not an individual but a defense overall stat.

 

[Dion]

Comparing DDG to Ederson. DDG has faced double the amount of shots and has a higher save % and higher PSxG+/- than Ederson. Put Ederson in our team and people also moan about him but he makes less match saving saves and we’re in a worst off position.

Ederson is world class at passing and sweeping, he's a below average shot stopper. He doesn't have to be because he allows City to play higher up the pitch, keep the ball better and face less shots.

De Gea does none of that and is about 12-14th in the league in pretty much every relevant shot stopping metric.

 

[arnie_ni]

Didn't see anything from sanchez today that would make me happy with forking out 50 odd mil for him

 

[Gandalf]

Didn't see anything from sanchez today that would make me happy with forking out 50 odd mil for him

Sanchez is overrated as feck which is why he was benched for Steele of all people. De Zerbi specifically dropped him because he is poor with his feet. I mean, let’s replace DDG by all means but not with a younger version of the same model.

 

[ErikElevenHag]

Exactly, we don't need to offer these wages when it's clear he wouldn't get it elsewhere, but the club has so much sentimentality that he will get it. Madness

What are you talking about? De Gea would easily get 100k plus salary from another club. He still has a lot to offer, especially to teams who aren't looking for a ball playing keeper.

Why are people mixing up De Gea being unsuitable to the way we are looking to play, with being shit? It's clearly not the case. A lot of clubs would be going out of their way to get his signature.

The perennial disappointment Jesse Lingard is on 200k a week and you don't think De Gea could get 50k. Stop talking nonsense.

 

[AlPistacho]

Ederson is world class at passing and sweeping, he's a below average shot stopper. He doesn't have to be because he allows City to play higher up the pitch, keep the ball better and face less shots.

De Gea does none of that and is about 12-14th in the league in pretty much every relevant shot stopping metric.

Someone said stats proved DDG was a crap shot stopper. I asked him/her to post it and their very own stats showed Ederson is worse than DDG at shot stopping.

 

[caid]

Someone said stats proved DDG was a crap shot stopper. I asked him/her to post it and their very own stats showed Ederson is worse than DDG at shot stopping.

Odd. I dont see Edersons stats. Just loads of DDG stats saying hes pretty mediocre at shot stopping. He probably is better than Ederson, hes a pretty weak shot stopper.

 

[Idxomer]

Sanchez is overrated as feck which is why he was benched for Steele of all people. De Zerbi specifically dropped him because he is poor with his feet. I mean, let’s replace DDG by all means but not with a younger version of the same model.

And yet he's still miles better with the ball at his feet than De Gea who lost the ball 29 times today with his kicking.

 

[Gandalf]

And yet he's still miles better with the ball at his feet than De Gea who lost the ball 29 times today with his kicking.

Point flew right over your head didn’t it. DDG needs replacing but Sanchez most definitely is not it. He is the second best keeper with the ball at his feet at Brighton, not exactly a ringing endorsement.

 

[Idxomer]

Point flew right over your head didn’t it. DDG needs replacing but Sanchez most definitely is not it. He is the second best keeper with the ball at his feet at Brighton, not exactly a ringing endorsement.

Not really, I agree with not pursuing Sanchez for big money. I was only emphasizing how bad De Gea is with the ball at his feet.

 

[sullydnl]

Sanchez is overrated as feck which is why he was benched for Steele of all people. De Zerbi specifically dropped him because he is poor with his feet. I mean, let’s replace DDG by all means but not with a younger version of the same model.

Sanchez is a lot better than De Gea with the ball at his feet. The fact that he himself has been edged out by someone better again than him highlights where De Gea stands relative to the best goalkeepers in this regard rather than Sanchez.

Though I would say that I don't think Sanchez' actual shot-stopping form has been particularly good this season, so that's more so where I'd direct scepticism in his case.

 

[bosnian_red]

Comparing DDG to Ederson. DDG has faced double the amount of shots and has a higher save % and higher PSxG+/- than Ederson. Put Ederson in our team and people also moan about him but he makes less match saving saves and we’re in a worst off position.

There's more to goalkeeping than just shot stopping. Playing out from the back, dealing with crosses/high balls, sweeping, shot stopping are your main 4. Ederson easily beats him in 3 of these categories which are all weaknesses of De Geas. And for the past 5 years, de Geas shot stopping has been below par (on average).

 

[Offside]

He’s a great keeper just with quite poor distribution. If we’re wanting to play like that then he obviously needs replacing. This isn’t a Karius case though like some of you clowns like to make out.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

If he stays, I think our ceiling is highly limited.



He limits us so much.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

He’s a great keeper just with quite poor distribution. If we’re wanting to play like that then he obviously needs replacing. This isn’t a Karius case though like some of you clowns like to make out.

How is he a great keeper? His shot stopping metrics are all plainly average this season.

He's not Karius, but he's probably an average GK now.

What does he provide to the team now? His shot stopping isn't as good as it was. He has no command of the box. He's terrible dealing with crosses into the box. He stays rooted to his line too often(a detriment for us in possession and out of possession). His distribution is gash and he's incapable of maneuvering with the ball.

 

[Bastian]

He’s a great keeper just with quite poor distribution. If we’re wanting to play like that then he obviously needs replacing. This isn’t a Karius case though like some of you clowns like to make out.

Can you be a great keeper with poor distribution (and not comfortable coming for crosses or off your line generally, and have poor footwork)? I'm not so sure. I wouldn't say Ederson is a great keeper, but he's got phenomenal distribution and he's very good with his feet. Neuer was a great keeper.

 

[Big Ben Foster]

He’s a great keeper just with quite poor distribution. If we’re wanting to play like that then he obviously needs replacing. This isn’t a Karius case though like some of you clowns like to make out.

He is, at best, an average keeper nowadays, which would make him extremely overpaid as he's the highest paid keeper in the world.

 

[daba]

I really hope the last few games has moved replacing De Gea with Diogo Costa up the priority list.

De Gea’s a modern legend at this club but to be a top team more or less requires you to dominate games and build from the back, which De Gea simply can’t do. After the Sevilla disaster-class you could see the tactic of even attempting to play out was completely scrapped, which meant us regularly giving the ball back to Brighton after any sort of pressure on our defence, allowing Brighton to be the more dominant team for large parts of the game.

With Ederson starting to get his critics at City, I wonder if Man City are keeping an eye on the next best ball playing keeper. Would be so so disappointed if we slept on replacing De Gea this summer for Man City to sweep in for Costa next year.

 

[Djemba-Djemba]

He’s a great keeper just with quite poor distribution. If we’re wanting to play like that then he obviously needs replacing. This isn’t a Karius case though like some of you clowns like to make out.

He absolutely is not a great keeper though.

He's terrible with the ball at his feet and is rooted to his line whenever we concede a corner or free kick. It's caused us problems for years having a keeper who does not come off his line to claim the ball from corners and ease the pressure.

Even the thing he's best at, shot stopping, he really isn't anything special at that anymore. He's totally unsuited to how Ten Hag wants us to play.

 

[AlPistacho]

There's more to goalkeeping than just shot stopping. Playing out from the back, dealing with crosses/high balls, sweeping, shot stopping are your main 4. Ederson easily beats him in 3 of these categories which are all weaknesses of De Geas. And for the past 5 years, de Geas shot stopping has been below par (on average).

I agree.. but playing out from the back/sweeping only helps a team that can keep possession. It’s starts with the 10 outfield players, the keeper is the last past.

 

[Tarrou]

I’d try and keep him on a cheaper deal as back up and to be around during the transition to the next keeper

there’s so much pressure being United’s number 1 I think it’s be risky to replace him and not keep him around just in case the next guy struggles to settle in

if he’s not willing to sign for lower wages, time to move on

 

[Gabriel Djemba-Bebe]

Whichever way we look at it, he's still a very good 'keeper and has kept us in games plenty of times.

It is no fluke he is currently leading the way in amount of clean sheets in the league this season.

Surely you must be aware that the number of clean sheets isn't the best metric to judge a GK by? If you looked at his individual stats (rather than team stats) then you'll see that he's below average in every metric. He's even 12th-14th in the league for shot stopping stats, which was once his best attribute by far.

 

[bosnian_red]

I agree.. but playing out from the back/sweeping only helps a team that can keep possession. It’s starts with the 10 outfield players, the keeper is the last past.

Not at all. It starts with the goalkeeper. They play a massive part in dealing with a press. Just think of all the times we try to press a goalkeeper and they can just ping it to wingers or fullbacks effortlessly. It's a huge miss for us.

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

We can't retain possession if everytime we pass the ball back to DDG, DDG just launch it randomly to opposition players. Hence why new keeper is part of the requirement if we want to transform this team capable to retain possession.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

I fear we will cave and renew his contract. Even on lower wages it’ll be a mistake

 

[DOTA]

I just think he's gotta be worth more to another team than he is to us and we know he's previously been keen to move back to Spain so I'd expect him to have an emotional goodbye and heartfelt best wishes at the end of this season. Ideally after he shuts out City as we win the cup.

 

[AlPistacho]

Not at all. It starts with the goalkeeper. They play a massive part in dealing with a press. Just think of all the times we try to press a goalkeeper and they can just ping it to wingers or fullbacks effortlessly. It's a huge miss for us.

I’m not denying your point. But I think it’s more the last part of the puzzle. No point having a keeper that can ping it to the wingers if the ball gets lost two passes later. Also the more the ball comes back to the keeper and he has to make those passes the more likely he’ll lose possession.

 

[colombianmancunian]

We all know DeGea's weaknesses; not coming strongly for crosses/failure to command his own 6 yard box, and poor distribution. These have been around since he joined the club have not even got marginally better. Yet the number of times hes let us down as against Seville are few. The question is, how fast does ETH want to get us playing out from the back effectively?

I would suggest Erik has more important things to sort out (on the same score) with half his outfield players, whose attempts to play out from the back and/or to press in the oppositions final third, are at times laughable.

Any new contract would have to reflect David's lack of effectiveness in the new way of playing and if he cannot accept that, then there would be a parting of the waves.

Sad but true, surely ETH cannot accept the situation with him as it stands?

His already existing weaknesses are only part of the problem, the main issue for me is that his strengths have seriously diminished. DDG has showed throughout this season that he ain’t the shot stopper he once was.

We need a keeper that is as good as prime DDG at shot stoping, has better distribution, and commands his box. For me we need to go either Costa or Maignan, someone as Raya would be actually a downgrade.

 

[Dion]

Someone said stats proved DDG was a crap shot stopper. I asked him/her to post it and their very own stats showed Ederson is worse than DDG at shot stopping.

Ederson is bad at shot stopping. If someone shows you De Gea's shot stopping stats and it's anywhere near Ederson then that's absolute proof that he's not good.