The only thing we should consider is closing this thread.
Sell Pogba and we are back to Lingard and Pereira getting minutes.
Sell Pogba and we are back to Lingard and Pereira getting minutes.
Should we consider selling Pogba?
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Pointless thread. Sell Pogba to do what exactly?
Win the league without him by getting Sancho! Bruno, Sancho, Martial, Rashford Van de Beak. Fred to dominate for us.
I’m guessing those that want us to sell Pogba probably want us to buy Declan Rice as a replacement. I’d rather buy boiled Rice instead.
Madrid have sold close to 100m once they sell james. If they sell reguilon its close to 130. With that money we can buy sancho and by getting pogbas wages of the books we can maybe pay thiagos wage demands. I dont know, I think i might do that.
Are we still doing this. He is the best midfielder at the club, we won't get the money for him, and there is no replacement available. He still has two years left on his contact.
No. We should not consider selling him we should consider adding quality around him in every position
I don't think we'll get the chance to sell him even if we did decide to do that - covid has basically killed any chance of us getting an acceptable bid for him, not on his current contract anyway.
I've been expecting Pogba (Raiola) to basically try to see-out his contract and leave on a free again like he did the first time, but lets see if there's any truth in the talk of him being willing to sign a new contract.
Neither Ole and the club will want to lose him anyway.
I've been expecting Pogba (Raiola) to basically try to see-out his contract and leave on a free again like he did the first time, but lets see if there's any truth in the talk of him being willing to sign a new contract.
Neither Ole and the club will want to lose him anyway.
What about signing Thiago? Fraction of the price, better player and better suited to the role Pogba plays now. Stop making fake arguments up, who has suggested Rice except you?
Best midfielder? In what sense? The output of Bruno in an attacking sense has been great and he looks far more dangerous than Pogba further forward. Is Pogba or best midfielder defensively? No, probably our worst. He may be our most skilful and talented overall, but we've all seen now that it doesn't necessarily make you the best, the most effective or the best fit for every role in midfield.
Definitely not the time to sell. And with his spot in the starting 11 not guaranteed now, he will have to work harder to prove himself. That can only be a good thing...
Pogba has very good ball skills (which is why many like him) but isn't dynamic enough as far as lateral movement due to his huge frame and this gets worse by a factor of magnitude when he's tired which is when he starts doing silly things like trying to dribble/hold off 3-4 players (which is why he divides opinion). When you factor in his wages we would do better with a different player and use the extra for investment in other positions such as upgrade fullbacks/ lindeleof etc.
I seriously think that Pogba would be a better player if he was smaller, like 5 foot 10 or something like that.
People who claim that Pogba is the complete midfielder often go on about size as if it’s some kind of advantage. His size makes him far less mobile and dynamic than someone like peak Modric.
I would definitely sell him if it guaranteed Sancho, Grealish and Upamecano this summer.
He has been here a long time now, and we have never really seen a world class player consistently over a long period, despite his obvious quality.
Change is scary, but if our normal summer spend from here on in would be Grealish and Upamecano, for example, and it was a question of swapping Pogba out to get in Sancho? I would do it in a heartbeat and we would have a better team and more balanced squad for it.
He has been here a long time now, and we have never really seen a world class player consistently over a long period, despite his obvious quality.
Change is scary, but if our normal summer spend from here on in would be Grealish and Upamecano, for example, and it was a question of swapping Pogba out to get in Sancho? I would do it in a heartbeat and we would have a better team and more balanced squad for it.
So we are back with Mata, Pereira & Lingard then? Lack of depth quality.
Van de Beek isn't really a playmaker like Pogba and his main assets are different to Pogba. Keep the quality players that we got not get rid them.
Beside, how much we can sell Pogba now anyway? It's not like you will find buyers out there with good offers when not even a single buyer can even pay Upamecano release clause last month and in race to sign Sancho.
Pogba’s a good player but the bigger problem is the contract and agent.
I don’t think he’s good enough to warp the entire team around. But he’s definitely good enough to be in the starting XI.
We need to balance our finances and his contract, and other potential solutions, to figure out what gives us the best chance of success on the field.
I don’t think he’s good enough to warp the entire team around. But he’s definitely good enough to be in the starting XI.
We need to balance our finances and his contract, and other potential solutions, to figure out what gives us the best chance of success on the field.
Pogba provides the skillset very few in the world can give to a team. He obviously has his weaknesses as with all players but to consider selling him and buying A+B+C= guaranteed success is wishful thinking. Obviously, if he wants to leave then show him the door doesn't matter how important or invaluable he is to the team. But to consider selling him is in my opinion short-sightedness and slowing the process of a rebuild.
Sell Pogba sack Ole and play Lingard!
People go on about Pogba being the best player at the club( and he probably is personal skill-wise) but he’s never had anything close to the impact Bruno has since arriving at the club. Bruno has instantly improved our corners/ free-kicks/penalties by magnitudes as well as creativity from midfield and leadership. Our front players instantly started making that second pass and running into space expecting a pass from midfield and it all started in the absence of Pogba just in case anyone argues it had to do with him.
As it happened in juventus, Pogba tends to be more productive in the presence of orher world class players around him and doesn’t make everything about himself.
As it happened in juventus, Pogba tends to be more productive in the presence of orher world class players around him and doesn’t make everything about himself.
Agree with this, the team is always more important than the individual. I’d rather have a more cohesive team than a talented individual. Ole is shoehorning Pogba into a role that doesn’t really bring the best out in him.
But knowing our owners we sell him and the funds don’t get reinvested into the team, so it’d be best just to keep him for another year and hope he signs a new deal.
My thoughts exactly. It's like a "council of paul merson's" type reasoning going on in here..
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The reason we finished 3rd this season is directly because of Pogba's return from injury. You cant be serious.... The reason we were utterly rudderless before January and bruno was because he was missing through injury too. Some of you are so blinkered when it comes to him.its untrue.
If he doesn't want to sign a new contract, it would be foolish not to consider selling him.
I really don’t understand (the numerous) posters like you who make these statements. It’s like you can’t see beyond just one simple aspect such as him losing possession in a certain situation.
When he had Zlatan up top, you could see how he operates with another world class player on his radar, making intelligent movements. It was instant, the second Pogba got the ball, Zlatan was playing off the shoulder knowing a ball would be dinked over the top to him, and likewise Pogba receiving the ball immediately positioned himself to be able to make such a pass.
He is an out and out world class player, and needs similar levels of players to be able to make the most of his talents.
So often in this team he’s had a dreadful squad, with equally bad tactics to contend with. When he ‘holds the ball too long’ it’s because there are often no viable options to pass it. So often too you see him frustrated because our defenders and wingers have taken so long to make a pass through the lines to him that by the time they do he is then surrounded by the opposition.
If Pogba was allowed to play in Bruno’s position with the same freedom and impunity then I have no doubts his output would be at least as good.
Just read people saying he's not mobile and dynamic!
Are they getting him mixed up with Matic?
Are they getting him mixed up with Matic?
Pogba is quick over a long distance sprint but his first few steps are slow. It’s the complete opposite of say peak Modric, who had rapid acceleration but no real top speed.
If you play as a midfielder, acceleration is far more important than top speed. That is why Pogba, despite his talent and ability on the ball, will never have the same influence that peak Modric had on a football game over 90 minutes.
I’ve said this before numerous times, but Pogba would be a better player if he was smaller.
Pogba is a very talented player, and at times he’s been fantastic for us. However, we haven’t found the right way of using him, and he’s suffered from having such a big transition, first Jose, and now Ole.
If we can find the right place to play him and get consistency out of him then he could be pivotal for us.
The only reason to sell him is if he doesn’t sign a new contract, not for football reasons.
If we can find the right place to play him and get consistency out of him then he could be pivotal for us.
The only reason to sell him is if he doesn’t sign a new contract, not for football reasons.
I think the bigger problem is we haven't surrounded him with bigger talents, especially in midfield. His 1st game for us was as a part of a 2-man midfield with Fellaini and that set the tone for most of his time here. We kept asking from him far more than any single midfielder is capable of, helpfully this is a thing of the past now with Fernandes and VdB there.
Agreed. Thiago + Sancho would improve us so much. I think just thiago would improve us.
I agree with this as well. But we need to find a way to get those three to play effectively together, that’s going to be an interesting challenge.
I don't know what the right way of using him is. He's not quite an AM and not quite a CM. He does parts of both but doesn't fully do either.
Who is a world class midfielder? If Pogba’s not worldclass there must only be two other midfielders on the planet who are.
Thiago improves us if we have Pogba. If we swap the two we are in the same position with a player who is more injury prone and not as good going forward.
With thiago and pogba we have an unbalanced midfield unless you drop Bruno.
Thiago runs the midfield leagues better than pogba, this is far more valuable than the difference in pogbas creativity.
From a football point of view I would love Pogba to stay at the club, however if we are to spend another season being told by the press via his agent that he wants to go elsewhere then he should be sold now. The club is in a good space right now and we don't need this distraction.
A new deal would put a stop to that, so lets see how it plays out in the coming weeks.
A new deal would put a stop to that, so lets see how it plays out in the coming weeks.
If he signs a new contract great, can't let him go on a free. We have issues replacing players, need to get him signed up if we can. The team are definitely on the up and we are stronger with him. We can always sell him for big money in a better market after Covid in two years, if he still wants to go. Pogba is far from loyal but he makes us better. I think our midfield could be great because year, providing we aren't ravaged by injuries.
Agree that we could do without the distraction of another prolonged does he want to leave/stay saga.
But the issue is we would likely not get a good price for him in the current market. In an ideal situation you could put to him that he either signs a long term contract now or he can leave if a big offer comes in.
I think we would sell sell him if someone made a 100M plus offer but that is not going to happen.
Can someone please explain to me why such a noticeable section of our fan base want us to sell our best player? I don’t see this at other clubs. I live in Manchester so I see this all the time, honestly I’d estimate about half of our fans want him sold. I’ve had friends even say we should play McTominay or Fred over him. What is it about him that people just can’t stand? To the point where they are willing to downgrade the team just to be rid of him.
I don’t wanna make this a race thing because I dont think it necessarily is, but in my experience living in the city in a fairly multicultural area, black/mixed fans seem to love him more often than not, while white fans seem split about 75/25 in favour of hating him. Could it be cultural differences? In terms of his fondness of dancing & being a free spirit & fancy haircuts etc, as opposed to the Roy Keane stern & no bullshit type personally that a lot of fans love, could this explain why certain demographics just can’t warm to him?
I don’t wanna make this a race thing because I dont think it necessarily is, but in my experience living in the city in a fairly multicultural area, black/mixed fans seem to love him more often than not, while white fans seem split about 75/25 in favour of hating him. Could it be cultural differences? In terms of his fondness of dancing & being a free spirit & fancy haircuts etc, as opposed to the Roy Keane stern & no bullshit type personally that a lot of fans love, could this explain why certain demographics just can’t warm to him?
I think it’s a jump to make a statement that certain demographics don’t warm to him based on your limited interactions with people,the fans loved Evra for example and he has a very similar cultural background to Pogba.
I am not a fan of Pogba in the same way I am not a fan of Mourinho, it’s alway about him rather than the team. Factor in the fact that he lets his vile agent do much of the talking for him in the press and it’s not a good look for him.
The haircut and dancing doesn’t bother me, he should be able to express himself in the most authentic way, I think there has to be some self awareness though along with that, when results have not been good we like to think of a professional player being frustrated and working to ensure that the next game is a positive result, it’s a perception thing.
Not saying that is the case here, but just wanted to point out that people can love/adore someone and still be racist to another.