We agree on nothing. you’re supporting the wrong club.
Should we consider selling Pogba?
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What pattern is that?
Im supporting the wrong club because I’d happily get rid of the manager. Your supporting the right club because you would happily get rid of a player who is a first teamer. Both representing the same club?
You make so much sense.
Hate somebody and you start making dumb statements. Like I’d swap Pogba for Phil Foden
It’s quite simple. Foden offers far more potential than pogba.Hate somebody and you start making dumb statements. Like I’d swap Pogba for Phil Foden
That’s nice. So Phil Foden is better than Paul Pogba?
Are you still refusing to name who you think are the only two better midfielders in the world than Pogba?
Foden is a player at 20 that you could actually see constantly live up to his potential. Pogba is player people still argue about it being everyone elses fault as to why he hasn't lived up to his
Eh anybody can defend anyone else without being a fanboy. You know that more than anyone with the "elite hipster" thread.
So what? Pogba isn't 33. He's still in his peak years.
Foden might not even live up to his potential.
So just to clarify. You think I have a racist viewpoint because I don’t think he’s our best player?
Whether he’s our best player should be a healthy debate, Rashford, Martial and Bruno all day hi.
I think he’s a fantastic talent, but we’ve not seen the best of him in the 4 years he has been back at the club. He’s not nailed down a best position, he’s wanted to leave, he’s been inconsistent. And he only has 2 years left on his contract. For all these reasons, I’ve said that if he doesn’t sign a new contract, then he should be sold next summer at the latest.
I’ve also said that if based on football reasons, ignoring his contract, then he should say.
At what point does that reflect a racist viewpoint?
Or is it the fact that if anyone disagrees with you, it must be racist?
Many may consider him to be our best player, and whilst that’s not my opinion, I respect the debate, unlike you.
Not if he really, really wants to go? Any second thoughts he may have, may have disappeared considering the potential names who might be his new team-mates in the next few weeks.
I think now he's playing his ideal position. I think we'd all wish Matic was his 2014-2015 self then he'd be set here.
I think now he's playing his ideal position. I think we'd all wish Matic was his 2014-2015 self then he'd be set here.
Im supporting a manager who has long term equity with the club, delivered beyond realistic expectations and forward progress in his 18 months. I'll also happily get rid of a divisive and inconsistent player on huge wage who has underwhelmed during his 4 years at the club. Yes, my judgements are based on some factual evidence and in the best interests of the club.
You?
You're telling me Pogba doesn't have fanboys on this forum who put him ahead of the clubs progress? Really?
That's not the exact point he's making.
Never in his life with Phil Foden be better than Paul Pogba. I can bet you 2 grand if you want to back up your talk.
He had a better season than Pogba last season so you've already lost your bet
Okay mate. You’re a better man than me.
Pogba has to literally not play for this to happen. I get your point though. Make the bet though.
At 20 years old Paul Pogba was a first Team player next to Pirlo and Vidal. You might be young. But go Google them.
So what, isn't Foden playing in a team with two better players then Pogba, at what is supposed to be his peak
As I said you already lost your bet
I'd rather that people are just objective about Pogba: his cost to the club vs his contribution and impact. In my opinion, he fails this assessment so I struggle to understand how some fans think he is world class or irreplaceable.
Pogba was already shown up by Bruno's arrival. I think he is in for a rude shock once Van de Beek gets going too.
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Holy shit! This thread keeps getting worse and worse. Yes, his fanboys are totally the problem.
De Bruyne played most games as a RAM almost like a winger as he would often switch sides with Raheem Sterling who is no CM.
Not really the purpose of my post. I can understand some criticism of Paul and I can even understand favouring others but when you start saying you don't rate him and he is low on current players list and stuff of that nature then it is pure bias but maybe everyone has some level of that. You are a more rational poster than I thought before though.
Your post about half racist etc does not make sense. If it did there would have been no 'mixing' in the time of slavery.
I referred to the debate you mentioned in your post. Not you specifically as I do not know much about your posts but the conversations around Paul in England particularly in the media and fans has dropped to such low levels that I can only seeing it coming from a place of prejudice. I grew up in very mixed settings where any line of prejudice was usually pointed out by parents or teachers from a young age and it is odd how clear it is to see to anyone who knows what they are seeing.
There is little debate than any two of the bolded players are good enough to even be considered our best player. Anthony could have a debate with Paul about it but at this point he would lose that one.
Bit silly to go down that line as I have never called any poster on here racist but it is clear some players from our team are criticised in a way others are not. After two games Wan Bissaka had an entire thread prepped to criticise him while James gets more defenders in his thread albeit being a lesser player but no one refers to them as 'fanboys'.
With Paul, it's always polemic.
I wasn’t meaning YOU change my mind dude
I meant I would be happy if Pogba signed a new contract, proved his worth over a prolonged period and became an integral part of the team over the next few years. Pretty simple in my view.
Pogba is undoubtably a very gifted talent, but since his return to Utd, 4 years ago, he’s been mostly inconsistent, frustrating and even poor at times, for most of that period.
OK, there have been good spells and some outstanding moments, even whole games where he’s been brilliant, but these have become few and far between, compared with the normal average, mediocre or disappointing performances.
The point is, this isn’t some short term blip, or a period of loss of form that could affect any player.
Those last 4 seasons represent half of his senior career and there’s been no indication that a significant turn around is just around the corner.
I can’t see any way he’d be on a top 10 list of world class midfielders. Where’s the evidence to support that view?
For good or bad, we’re stuck with him, as nobody else is going to match his wages or pay all the other add-on fees, never mind whatever the likely transfer fee would be. So, as I said earlier in this thread, Utd’s best option would be to try and get the best we can out of him and play him where he can make a more positive impact, further up the pitch.
As I said you already lost your bet
I'd rather that people are just objective about Pogba: his cost to the club vs his contribution and impact. In my opinion, he fails this assessment so I struggle to understand how some fans think he is world class or irreplaceable.
Pogba was already shown up by Bruno's arrival. I think he is in for a rude shock once Van de Beek get going too.
I’ll come back to you on this when he takes Bruno’s place as he is a better number 10. But hay. Let’s not make you cry.Why is this thread even active?
Why is this thread even active?
The same reason the Ole out one is still active. Our fanbase is still toxic. I blame Jose.
Why doesn't it make sense? Can someone be half racist? Not in my world. You're either racist or you're not and quite frankly bringing slavery into the mix in a Pogba thread really does show a complete ignorance on your part.
Martial, another young black French player who was constantly being criticised has suddenly become the cafes new darling. Why is that? Is it because suddenly people have stopped being racist or is it because after 4 seasons he's actually showing commitment and drive towards the club for the first time? Maybe if Pogba takes a page out of Martials book and actually showed he's 100% committed to the club this fallacy that people are racist instead of doubting his motives will finally be blown out of the water forever. Playing the racist card has to be the lowest anyone can go when the reasons are a lot simpler to understand.
It really is sickening being tarred with the racist brush when Pogbas qualities are being questioned. Rashford has probably received more vile posts than Pogba but no one is calling out the racist card over him. Why is that is it. Because he's English? If so we must be racist against the french whatever their colour and as far as I know Cantona and Evra are 2 of the most loved players to have played for us so I really am at a loss for words as to their reasoning behind the accusations.
I have to say this is a shocking thread.
Why can’t we have a debate about a player without bringing race into the equation? Or when you disagree with a posters view, they are then considered racist, or their view “outdated”, or to be told your view is the same as those who are racist. Honestly, it’s deplorable.
Is Pogba our best player? Maybe, personally I don’t think he is, Martial, Rashford and Bruno fight for that prize - but I understand why posters think he would be, he’s supremely talented. But it’s clearly very arguable - and we can have a sensible/ reasoned debate, can’t we?
Is Pogba inconsistent? Absolutely. I can’t see how this is arguable. Now there are reasons. The team has been in transition, Jose didn’t help, and him wanting to leave didn’t help. His attitude has been very questionable at times. He seems settled now, and if injury free and with a decent midfield, I hope this season we see a consistent player at the top of his game.
Should there be a debate over whether Pogba should be sold? Yes. Personally, I’d want to keep him as long as he signs a new contract. Even if we never see the best of Pogba, he’s still a class player who adds a lot to the team. I wouldn’t sell him for footballing reasons, but if he doesn’t sign that contract, we should sell him and hopefully get a decent fee for him, most likely next summer.
No hating/ no race/ no xenophobia - just a straight forward debate.
Why can’t we have a debate about a player without bringing race into the equation? Or when you disagree with a posters view, they are then considered racist, or their view “outdated”, or to be told your view is the same as those who are racist. Honestly, it’s deplorable.
Is Pogba our best player? Maybe, personally I don’t think he is, Martial, Rashford and Bruno fight for that prize - but I understand why posters think he would be, he’s supremely talented. But it’s clearly very arguable - and we can have a sensible/ reasoned debate, can’t we?
Is Pogba inconsistent? Absolutely. I can’t see how this is arguable. Now there are reasons. The team has been in transition, Jose didn’t help, and him wanting to leave didn’t help. His attitude has been very questionable at times. He seems settled now, and if injury free and with a decent midfield, I hope this season we see a consistent player at the top of his game.
Should there be a debate over whether Pogba should be sold? Yes. Personally, I’d want to keep him as long as he signs a new contract. Even if we never see the best of Pogba, he’s still a class player who adds a lot to the team. I wouldn’t sell him for footballing reasons, but if he doesn’t sign that contract, we should sell him and hopefully get a decent fee for him, most likely next summer.
No hating/ no race/ no xenophobia - just a straight forward debate.
I think if Pogba is looking for more money in his new contract he needs to earn it, or he's off.
Your first line - I don't see anything different between those who defend Pogba and the way you defend Ole.
Your second line - The toxicity around Pogba is created by idiots who criticise him for getting haircuts and giving the ball way a bit. I bet you're nowhere near as critical on Greenwood's antics. Pogba's always been "OK". He's never done anything as stupid as Greenwood yet people act like he's the devil. In fact, like Rashford, he seemingly only does good off the pitch.
Your third - Stop acting like you're a better fan than someone else just because they disagree with you. It's like the silly "Martial FC" over again. We all support the same club and we all will continue to do so regardless of who is the manager and who we have in the playing squad.
It's pandemic, actually.
I hate when I come on here and see this thread because given where we are at it make no fecking sense. Why the feck our we debating selling a star player when we are finally getting back to our best? Just end the thread already.
You're speaking on the club's behalf now
?Your reasoning for supporting Ole is for "the best interest of the club". People who defend and want to keep Pogba do so for the best interest of the club, too. No difference.
Anything else? Well, if you stop telling people to support other clubs because you don't agree with their opinion and also accept the fact Pogba isn't toxic at all then no, nothing else.
Thats your opinion. Not much else.
You don't think those that want to keep Pogba want to do so for the best of the club?
No I dont. He is holding this club back. Over 4 years, the £120m he has cost us could have yielded far better returns if invested elsewhere or another player.