Ummmm no, he’ll have fallen short of the base requirement in my eyes, but it’s clear to see the team has improved. I’d rather have top 4 mind than the Fa Cup and the Carabo.
Should Ten Hag get the sack if he fails to qualify for the CL?
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For me the domestic cups arent a huge deal, they're a nice extra but it can't save a bad season, and when van gaal won it but got sacked I don't think too many disagreed with it. It was obvious during the summer Ronaldo wanted to leave, he was given 250m and really rather than spending 90m bringing in Antony it was obvious that we really needed a striker.
I wouldn't have taken not making top 4 but winning the carabao Cup and making an fa Cup final at the start of the season and this thread is asking about if we don't make top 4.
I think he doesn't really have a style set in stone but the problem is De Gea isn't suited to any style at top-level football anymore.
I'd rather win the cups than finish top 4 all day long.
Remember when we used to laugh at Arsenal and the top 4 trophy.
Maybe I'm an older generation fan but that's how I feel.
Remember when we used to laugh at Arsenal and the top 4 trophy.
Maybe I'm an older generation fan but that's how I feel.
If we sacked him now the power goes straight back to these players that have repeatedly let us down, a new manager comes in and they start fresh again. Feck that Ten Hag has improved things from what he took over now's the time to let him improve the squad in the summer and hopefully get rid of some of the players that can't play how he wants or handle the pressure of playing for United
Absolutely not. He's the first manager who has shown he is big enough for this club. He needs to be backed in the summer and allowed to bring in the players he needs.
Where’s that image of the 20-odd games after losing to City where we had the best points record in Europe? Where we we’re comfortably 3rd and chasing down City before they hit the afterburners? When some were even contemplating a title challenge?
Then Casemiro got a straight red and we had to try on McFred, lost momentum, and the fixture pile-up started taking its toll.
Nope. Would be a disastrous season if it ended outside of top 4, would also really deplete any sort of budget we have with our books relying on top 4.
But Erik has shown enough to be given a fair go. It’s 10 years of bad signings, bad contract extensions, bad scouting, no definitive direction from the board. The club was and still is a shitshow - you can’t fix what we have in 1 season (considering Erik barely got the players he needed last summer and screwed over in January transfers).
still a lot at this club to weed out as they are not too 4 material. Our first XI could scrape top 4, 2 or 3 injuries (as what has happened) and we are just top 8 fodder.
But Erik has shown enough to be given a fair go. It’s 10 years of bad signings, bad contract extensions, bad scouting, no definitive direction from the board. The club was and still is a shitshow - you can’t fix what we have in 1 season (considering Erik barely got the players he needed last summer and screwed over in January transfers).
still a lot at this club to weed out as they are not too 4 material. Our first XI could scrape top 4, 2 or 3 injuries (as what has happened) and we are just top 8 fodder.
Is everyone making the point about Ole’s away record deliberately forgetting the fact they they were played behind closed doors and so have so little tangible difference between home and away games during that period?!?
I like ETH but i can only tolerate his suicidal lack of pragmastism if he can back it up with ruthless decisions.
IF David De Gea is still our starting GK next season, I am ETH out. I cant stand another season of it. We need a manager with the balls to force real change.
IF David De Gea is still our starting GK next season, I am ETH out. I cant stand another season of it. We need a manager with the balls to force real change.
If we could get a manager that I knew would turn us into a pressing team or a possession team, I honestly wouldn't mind. I've seen enough to know ETH isn't the answer. I know some went to give him longer, which is fair enough, but I still don't think we've found the manager that clicks with us. I think we'll all know when we do, and this is not it for me.
Yeah, next season we need to do something like go 20-odd games unbeaten, have the best points tally over that period than any other team in Europe, despite playing more cup games than any other team and not having a proper striker in the squad.
That kind if REAL progress?
Nope
There have been more positives than negatives, at least for most of the season we've played something that looks like modern football but there have also been a hell of a lot of negatives too that have
continued on throughout the season. Definitely the new style of play has tired the players out by now & caused more injuries than we are used to, but it's needed to advance us as a club. A criminal choice
just wasn't to bring more players in during the January window.
continued on throughout the season. Definitely the new style of play has tired the players out by now & caused more injuries than we are used to, but it's needed to advance us as a club. A criminal choice
just wasn't to bring more players in during the January window.
I don't want ETH sacked, but why are we the only club where replacing a manager means we start from zero again?
The manager should be a replaceable cog in a larger, well-run system.
I get it. But let’s not be reactionary.
Care to elaborate?
During this point everyone was talking about the miracle he was performing with the squad. Now we’ve lost our two best CBs which would turn ANY team no matter the squad, and had to do without our two best CMs for portions of the season.
All the while managing to keep top 4 a possibility with only four fit viable attacking options in the squad (Rashford, Antony, Sancho, Bruno).
That is the major area where Ten Hag deserves an indictment of his tenure. Kids are not just there to fill a few pairs of shoes on the bench; they should also be given chances to show us what they are capable of while giving a few regulars a much needed breather.
I don't know what is going through his head, but Ten Hag will drag himself down further if he persists with the same old failed guys instead of gambling through the introduction of new variables. And I thought Dutch managers were supposed to be more open to risks and gambles than most other managers.
What he does with De Gea and Weghorst is paramount. I think sticking with either will make fans turn on him.
No.
But it's bad.
Real bad.
But it's bad.
Real bad.
That's exactly it. Rangnick was dead-on: a full-scale purge is needed, and I'm sick of hearing that it can't be done and that it'll be more 'evolution' than 'revolution', blah, blah, blah. The likes of McTominay, Fred, Maguire, Sancho, De Gea, and Martial are nowhere near the required standard and, in the case of the last 4, are being paid obscene wages to underperform. Add in the likes of Rashford, who isn't exactly the guy to battle through adversity, and Bruno, whose form fluctuates wildly, and you have a toxic cocktail that will feck over any manager.
If we don't get top 4, it's a major strike against Ten Hag, but he does deserve another season, with proper backing, to get it right.
No, but there's a lot of questions about the guy. He's earned a second season, if it will be his last depends a lot on the decisions he makes in the summer.
It would be as bad as arsenal bottling the title, let's be honest. Expectations changed throughout the season and top 4 became a minimum rather than just a goal. The trophy and good start to the season gives him some breathing space though.
With that said, I called him out a few times earlier when he kept fielding full strength teams. Got roasted here because it's what winning managers do, apparently. He's running then into the ground and committing the same mistakes as his predecessors.
With that said, I called him out a few times earlier when he kept fielding full strength teams. Got roasted here because it's what winning managers do, apparently. He's running then into the ground and committing the same mistakes as his predecessors.
Absolutely not. He is working within the constraints imposed by our shit owners and poor buys from previous regimes. He is one manager I have confidence in to turn things round, once he has been given the time and money to buy players suitable for his squad.
You're right, but that doesn't come close to describing us at the moment. We're trying to move towards a more modern, progressive style of football, and that's gonna take time - if we keep chopping and changing every manager, then it'll take even longer
Maybe we need to start acting like them if we want to be successful
He should've tanked one of the cups. Now he's been playing teams who played 20 fewer games than his own team for the last couple of months every 3 days.
Yeah a proper DOF isn't someone who has worked at this club under previous failed regimes
Loser attitude. I don't get any Utd fans who genuinely thinks this was an option.
It’s strange but I feel like he’s getting a lot wrong currently. Yes, you have to win in order to keep the job but he’s currently failing to win enough with players who you’d assume don’t fit his philosophy.
I was expecting ‘Total Football’, I get this won’t come immediately or even soon but he’s shown nothing that says he has any footballing principles. If we’re just going to play to win at all costs then I don’t see why we couldn’t get another manager at some point with the same brief.
I voted no but this summer will be the key.
ww, de gea, Maguire, mctom, martial at a bare minimum need to go.
Ideally a few others. Sancho, don’t renew Sabitzer, various other people we never see or loaned out Williams, telles etc.
His lack of faith in youth players is concerning. Yes garnacho he has given a chance but what about pellestri (criminally underused recently), mainoo, Iqbal, surely they should have had more minutes especially considering how light we were recently.
I like ETH but there are concerning traits coming out especially regarding rotation (the lack of it)
He needs a stellar summer or I fear we will be back to square 1.
failing top4 I can just about forgive for now but we’ll have to be a damn sight better next year if that happens.
ww, de gea, Maguire, mctom, martial at a bare minimum need to go.
Ideally a few others. Sancho, don’t renew Sabitzer, various other people we never see or loaned out Williams, telles etc.
His lack of faith in youth players is concerning. Yes garnacho he has given a chance but what about pellestri (criminally underused recently), mainoo, Iqbal, surely they should have had more minutes especially considering how light we were recently.
I like ETH but there are concerning traits coming out especially regarding rotation (the lack of it)
He needs a stellar summer or I fear we will be back to square 1.
failing top4 I can just about forgive for now but we’ll have to be a damn sight better next year if that happens.
Not loser attitude just very smart decision when you haven't the squad to cope with it
SAY IT LOUDER!
There’s this weird thought process that we can lose in things like the Europa, scrape qualification for the Champions League then suddenly we’ll be able to compete at a higher level.
With the resources we have, we should be able to win 3 of our last 6 league games & beat Sevilla.
Can we just ban all those who vote yes? I don’t think we would miss this level of knee jerk negativity…
Losing top 4 from the position we were in is unforgivable - I think we were 15 points ahead of Liverpool at one point. No respectable institution would stand for such incompetence.
It's a daft idea and the people suggesting it are the exact fools who would be fuming if we put out a weakened side and got tonked.
I've said yes but it's not so clear cut, for me. For whatever reason, it feels wrong to sack a manager after one season. But it happened to Moyes, LVG got sacked in the back of winning a cup, other big clubs are less 'attached' to managers in general and just make a change, zero fuss. We as a club and fan base attach a lot of sentimentality to that position, probably because of Fergie. It's hard to know what's for the best sometimes.
But the thing that swings it for me is that there are some very good managers available, and in general I prefer to take a chance with things like this when I see they're not working. And I just don't think ETH and his football is well suited to us in general. I think if he stays he might make us solid and we might win some smaller trophies. But I just feel like there'll be another manager that comes in eventually and takes us up a level to compete for the bigger trophies, makes us more exciting and gets OT buzzing.
Right now I only see ETH working if Pep and Klopp move to another league, or our next owner genuinely buys us players like Mbappe and the top, top players that are just unplayable in their own right. Because I just don't think we're anything special tactically.
To be honest it just feels shite to be back in this situation. After Ole I was just relieved that we did something that I knew would need to happen a long time before it did. It was hard knowing this wasn't going to work but that we would just stick with it through sentimentality. I'd hate to be in that situation again where it feels like we're literally just wasting time and money for something that won't work.
But the thing that swings it for me is that there are some very good managers available, and in general I prefer to take a chance with things like this when I see they're not working. And I just don't think ETH and his football is well suited to us in general. I think if he stays he might make us solid and we might win some smaller trophies. But I just feel like there'll be another manager that comes in eventually and takes us up a level to compete for the bigger trophies, makes us more exciting and gets OT buzzing.
Right now I only see ETH working if Pep and Klopp move to another league, or our next owner genuinely buys us players like Mbappe and the top, top players that are just unplayable in their own right. Because I just don't think we're anything special tactically.
To be honest it just feels shite to be back in this situation. After Ole I was just relieved that we did something that I knew would need to happen a long time before it did. It was hard knowing this wasn't going to work but that we would just stick with it through sentimentality. I'd hate to be in that situation again where it feels like we're literally just wasting time and money for something that won't work.
No because people are entitled to opinion
I’m not raising it as a point to say Ole was better, more that it’s slightly ironic. Agree it’s irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. ETH is obviously a decent manager and has shown that in many games this year. Sacking him would be nuts and I think very unlikely.
Of course he should. Bottling that kind of lead on points isnt acceptable.
We're terrible away. He doesn't change tactics
We've be trashed in many games, he doesn't adjust.
We've scored more goals than just 8 teams this season
He's failed to improve players like Sancho and Donny (who was a given class player when he arrived according to many posters
He's failed this seasons objective
We're terrible away. He doesn't change tactics
We've be trashed in many games, he doesn't adjust.
We've scored more goals than just 8 teams this season
He's failed to improve players like Sancho and Donny (who was a given class player when he arrived according to many posters
He's failed this seasons objective