No, hopefully he’ll have learnt from his mistakes and should be given more time.
Should Ten Hag get the sack if he fails to qualify for the CL?
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The fact that the thread is started after a defeat makes it the very definition of knee-jerk.
Why is it always the manager that needs to take the beating, why not thwse rotten players who are the real bottlejobs
No. I don't like how we have downed tools lately, but i want to see if he can implement the pressing and basic principles of passing that we shown earlier in the season with new players. But if course it would be hugely dissapointing losing out on top 4.
Would bring in Enrique personally
Just feel we should be seeing significant improvements by now. Brighton has clicked as a unit with far less money
We've been far from pathetic most of the season. You may call the last two months pathetic, but before that we had a surprisingly good season.
No but he'll start the next season under intense pressure.
True. But equally they didn't expect Newcastle to have the season they've had, or for Arsenal to be challenging for the title rather than battling it out for fourth as well.
No. But next season there must be clear progress. And I mean real progress. Not turn up for half a season and then drop off a cliff and turn to shit again. We're moments FC, false dawn FC, whatever you want you call it. But we're so Inconsistent it's ridiculous.
Not including the injuries and suspensions etc. too. If any other team played through a season without as many key players as we have lost, they would be sitting mid table or worse.
A lot of people in this fanbase talk big but are fundamentally losers.
It is how it is.
Absolutely not. Going from manager to manager isn’t a solution, progress takes time.
Give ETH some decent players and I have no doubts that we will kick on. We need to look after him, and support him. Not share such nonsense and dreadful threads. A shame.
No. All that will happen is a new manager comes in, he will then do what everybody else has done and give the players another chance. Oh I can do better with this squad. Then we just go round and round in circles. ETH now knows for certain who is utter crap.
No the squad is shit and needs to be dismantled. Until we get new owners and new DOF who have ambition and competence to help overhaul the squad we are screwed.
He shouldn’t be sacked but I don’t think the person who brings us back to glory and is able to go toe to toe with Pep and Klopp bottles a 12 point lead for top four. I’d have serious doubts he’s the guy.
Sacking him now will give even more power to the part time footballers in the squad.
No I’m not on glue, thanks for asking. The reason we look absolutely f*cked is because of the ridiculous schedule we’ve had this season. We’ve ran out of steam, we don’t have a striker and we have suffered injuries at the wrong time and none of that is down to the manager.
Do I understand why he plays Weghorst at 10, no not really. Am I willing to admit that Erik Ten Hag probably knows better than me, yes. If you honestly think ten Hag is the problem you must think you know better than him, which is ridiculous.
Yeah sack him and delude yourselves its not the squad and the fact that strikers Ronaldo, Cavani left this squad and martial who is useless was a long term injury. Main players Martinez and Varane injured and Ericksen isn't fit yet after months on the side line along with Garnacho. Yeah sack him its all his fault the replacements are the same shit ones that previous managers never got rid off and they threw them under the Bus instead of accepting responsibility. No its fine never thought after last year debacle we would make top 4 so time to reset sack another manger and give the new one feck all to rebuild. What you don't realise is momentum is gold dust. Ours was broken when first Ericksen was injured then Garnacho then Rashford and Martinez & Varane same match. All leading into the business end of the season. Get your new manager repeat and rinse with Glaziers plus whoever these pricks pick. This is it for me and I'm checking out had enough and mental health is suffering with this piss. Lindelof couldn't make a 10 yard pass to his AWB who was in space over and over. Arghhh good night and happy Xmas.
Anyone would think he inherited a mid table side and had to work miracles with a limited budget.
He was backed with a fair outlay, got pretty much all the signings any manager could hope for and yet now people are claiming he's been let down by a weak squad.
He's not given any youngsters a chance, he decided to go with the strongest 11 in every competition despite warnings from many that it was a mistake because the tiredness would take its toll in terms of injuries and performance.
I also feel he has failed to put in a set way of playing, we still are a team lacking in basics, movement, passing, defensive shape etc. We rely way too much on individual bits of play rather than other top teams that look well drilled all over the pitch. We are still an utter mess at times and some of the heavy losses are due to poor coaching and tactical awareness.
Were it not for Rashford we would be looking at a mid table position right now. You may think that is progress but I do not see it. So my answer to the OP is yes, he should be sacked because from a position we were in and the failures to see that through would have to be considered a huge failure. He was appointed to improve the team and to get top 4, it's debatable we've improved as a team and missing out on top 4 especially as it could be to liverpool and part of that is the humiliating loss, then I don't think it's harsh to be sacked for that.
He was backed with a fair outlay, got pretty much all the signings any manager could hope for and yet now people are claiming he's been let down by a weak squad.
He's not given any youngsters a chance, he decided to go with the strongest 11 in every competition despite warnings from many that it was a mistake because the tiredness would take its toll in terms of injuries and performance.
I also feel he has failed to put in a set way of playing, we still are a team lacking in basics, movement, passing, defensive shape etc. We rely way too much on individual bits of play rather than other top teams that look well drilled all over the pitch. We are still an utter mess at times and some of the heavy losses are due to poor coaching and tactical awareness.
Were it not for Rashford we would be looking at a mid table position right now. You may think that is progress but I do not see it. So my answer to the OP is yes, he should be sacked because from a position we were in and the failures to see that through would have to be considered a huge failure. He was appointed to improve the team and to get top 4, it's debatable we've improved as a team and missing out on top 4 especially as it could be to liverpool and part of that is the humiliating loss, then I don't think it's harsh to be sacked for that.
No. But i dont think he will be a success here. No manager can be. With owners who dont care, the best thing that a manager can hope for here is a cup every now and then. After OGS sacking, we were hearing how the club is going to transform and other PR bullshitNothing has happened. We just followed the same old path; take a good manager, trust him at the beginning with EVERYTHING, dont back him when it is more needed and throw a dice. We are a club with no long term plan, with owners playing hard to sell after they were gifted the club. Even worse, the only route to escape this miserable loop is becoming the PR of an autocracy with an alarming past and present in various areas.
and I think we need to apply that assessment to our players too.
Too many of our players have "purple patches" of form that somehow help to erase their overall crap-ness. Rashford being a prime example. Even before this season's goalscoring exploits he would be unbelievably poor for a number of games only to then score a brace or something and then everyone is off his back for the next few matches.
He doesn't have the football intelligence to lead the line-that is not his position. He doesn't have the dribbling skills or technique (though he acts like he does) to be a consistent threat on the wing and his lack of gameplay vision lets him down when players in better positions are free.
Martial is a lost cause and has been for some time. He had a sparkling pre-season which maybe convinced ETH to give him a chance.
No, it would be too soon. But he should rightfully start feeling the pressure if we manage to bottle top four.
In fairness, he has not done anything to separate him from Mourinho and van Gaal, and he shouldn't get any special treatment. A few decent unbeaten runs, and some nice play patterns, but fairly unwhelming besides that, and we've been absolutely embarrassed several times times this season.
This club must be fecking cursed. All that money wasted on transfers and so little to see for it. At least Chelsea fluke their way to a Champions League title once in a while.
In fairness, he has not done anything to separate him from Mourinho and van Gaal, and he shouldn't get any special treatment. A few decent unbeaten runs, and some nice play patterns, but fairly unwhelming besides that, and we've been absolutely embarrassed several times times this season.
This club must be fecking cursed. All that money wasted on transfers and so little to see for it. At least Chelsea fluke their way to a Champions League title once in a while.
Yep. I’ve no doubts this man will be ruthless but it’s vital that he receives the right backing to make it happen and that means new owners, unfortunately the Glazers dragging their heels over this means there’s a huge threat of our summer plans being completely fecked.
Should have gone for Big Sam before it was too late, but as always, we left it late 
It's a valid question in a vacuum, but only in a vacuum.
I've said throughout the season that this squad's target (probably its ceiling) is 75 points in the league. If we win the next four games we hit precisely that number - we won't win all four, but we should still end up with a low-70s total. That's still about par - good enough for a first season, especially considering how handicapped we are at both ends of the pitch in two key positions.
Anyone who's watched every game we've played this season can tell you we've played some excellent football at times. Has the manager got everything right? No - some of his substitutions have been shit, he's given players like Weghorst and even De Gea too many chances, and the Antony signing is honestly as poor as Maguire+Wan-Bissaka in terms of resource allocation at this point. But really, this is one of the only times since Fergie I don't think there's any legitimate case to sack the manager even if we miss the top four (the only other instance so far was 2016/17, even though I couldn't stand Mourinho).
I've said throughout the season that this squad's target (probably its ceiling) is 75 points in the league. If we win the next four games we hit precisely that number - we won't win all four, but we should still end up with a low-70s total. That's still about par - good enough for a first season, especially considering how handicapped we are at both ends of the pitch in two key positions.
Anyone who's watched every game we've played this season can tell you we've played some excellent football at times. Has the manager got everything right? No - some of his substitutions have been shit, he's given players like Weghorst and even De Gea too many chances, and the Antony signing is honestly as poor as Maguire+Wan-Bissaka in terms of resource allocation at this point. But really, this is one of the only times since Fergie I don't think there's any legitimate case to sack the manager even if we miss the top four (the only other instance so far was 2016/17, even though I couldn't stand Mourinho).
Is there a way to get dark mode on the caf? I'm looking for a way to get black text on black background.
49 goals for and 41 goals against is hardly a glowing season
It is all going to come down to who is in charge of negotiations, recruitment etc. If they bring in somebody different and they ride roughshod over him it could be a problem.
That's just amazing set of excuses... If you look at the teams who beat us with their injury problems or their "average" squads, it's sad to make that excuse..
Players fecked up, so absolutely did under other managers too, why to use this excuse now. Our ball playing CM being out meant us to play our by far best football, when he's back he's shoehorn in the team despite having stamina and aggression to look gassed after 15 minutes. Not exactly a mystery that our best games especially agains the likes of Barcelona came with Fred not Eriksen in the team.
Yet the Brazilian was frozen in his best form out during our worst run of form, from hopeful of title challenge to dropping for the top4 fight (only really saved by poor form byChelsea Spurs, Liverpool to keep the CL spots on paper)
We had 5 decent CBs at the start of the season. Injuries came but we coped at that position reasonably well, Shaw stepping in.
It's only his choice to play from the back for his GK to feck up those tasks. We could have kept it more simple at times and win second balls, yet he couldnt make his team win the second balls because he's playing "ball playing players" who can't win those balls because they are only "good" when we got the ball - yet that doesnt show anyway..
It almost seems like in every team we play there are some great players who could improve us, yet we never ask the question if we are coached well enough for the top team we aspire to be, after 60 games of football and full preseason.
Really tiring excuses.
Boiling an entire season down to GD in the league is simply absurd.
This type of thread is exactly what I fear the most. Have we collectively got some form of amnesia? Can just one person tell me what this (bad results & weak mentality) has to do with the manager? These are the same players as the previous seasons showing exactly what they showed season after season, manager after manager. We can for all I care invent a time machine and get peak SAF or SMB but the results wouldn’t change.
Unfortunately the situation we find ourselves in requires a case study to elaborate. We as fans and the board (owners included), have to pray that EtH is the correct man and allow him time and back him in every way, shape & form. If he fails with this team, just let him handle the transition and team building, this is precisely what we have been missing. We require an iron hand that will strike fear into our players and make them seem like just an easily replaceable cog this gives the manager the correct power balance as he should be able to impose his will onto the team as he sees fit.
The most important element to club stability is the power of the manager and full trust between him and the board. Sir Alex had that luxury after having time to get going and build this “credit for power”.
Oh and to answer the question, feck no.
Unfortunately the situation we find ourselves in requires a case study to elaborate. We as fans and the board (owners included), have to pray that EtH is the correct man and allow him time and back him in every way, shape & form. If he fails with this team, just let him handle the transition and team building, this is precisely what we have been missing. We require an iron hand that will strike fear into our players and make them seem like just an easily replaceable cog this gives the manager the correct power balance as he should be able to impose his will onto the team as he sees fit.
The most important element to club stability is the power of the manager and full trust between him and the board. Sir Alex had that luxury after having time to get going and build this “credit for power”.
Oh and to answer the question, feck no.
We have the worst attack among the top 7 in the league. Brighton scored 13 more goals than us, for fecking sake, and they played 2 less games than us.
We sell or try to sell players all the time. Managers get the boot because ultimately they're in charge of the team. If you're not achieving the goals then you have to go.
Great post
It's just so bad that in such a poor season if we can't make top 4. Next season will be harder.
Indeed.
So if we go on a 20 game losing streak and someone suggests after the 20th loss that we might have to consider the manager's future that would - per definition - be knee-jerk according to your logic? That makes absolutely no sense.
Sacking ten Hag won't turn us into Real Madrid and it won't make any kind of a point. This is a hard moment but he's got enough credit in the bank.