There was no choice but to let Ronaldo go. This was the correct move and you can’t possibly blame ETH for how that situation unfolded.
Should Ten Hag get the sack if he fails to qualify for the CL?
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Honestly I feel like a GK CM and Striker all world class make us compete at the top level.
ah yes because that works so well for ….
I think you are very much misremembering what happened.
That’s a total misrepresentation of the situation. He planned for life WITH Ronnie and got shat on massively by him. Would you have kept him at the club after his interview ?
We signed Weghorst as a response to Martials injury set back mostly.
No chance though to be fair I could just quote the classic, I don’t know what we have to do to win.
Why is he better ?
Blaming ETH for getting rid of Ronaldo is nonsensical, what was he supposed to do after that interview?
Weghorst is rubbish, I doubt anyone denies that, but Ronaldo's position here was untenable - the only alternative would be that we built the team around him, which he's got in Saudi and is still struggling, so hardly preferable.
Absolutely not.
Bringing Weghorst was an OK move. There wasn’t much available in January. It’s playing him in crucial games we have to win or bringing him on when we are trying to chase the score that is wrong. Even though Rashford is not best utilized as a striker, we look far better with him there. We look better with Sabitzer there too. He should be more creative about that and Weghorst should purely soak up the minutes that are not essential.
Nobody. Ever.
His biggest mistake was taking martial into this season, should of dumped him in the summer and got a proper striker in.
Playing the hand he was dealt.
Hindsight is wonderful
To be fair to Erik, Martial looked stonking in preseason up until his injury. He seemed to respond to what ETH wanted him to do. It’s not Erik’s fault the guy is made of Glass.
edit - whoops, wrong quote! Sorry
Eyesight and transfermarkt would of told you all you need to know about him, man can’t stay fit, was shit at Sevilla last season no need for hindsight.
He was brilliant in pre-season and Erik thought he deserved a chance. Nothing wrong with that.
Apparently Allardice is as good as Pep and Klopp. We could get him…
2 years but I get your point
But also remember Moyes got sacked once top four was mathematically made impossible
Then lvg got top four next season (and Woodward convinced him to do three years instead of the two lvg wanted)
Then season after lvg got fifth, fa cup and sacked on the same day (he was getting sacked regardless)
I think sacking Eth wouldn't make a difference because we have bigger issues, the squad and above Eth. Until the latter is sorted it won't matter who manager is. I think Eth has an idea and standards. But I would question him if we miss out on top four due to the way he's navigated our season since winning the cup final
There is though, martial 2nd chance was Sevilla loan last season, and giving that crock another chance is probably the reason we miss out on top 4
Woodward was utterly clueless and made both Moyes and LVG his scapegoats. Not saying they performed because they didn’t but Woodward should have been better
Yes and we should sell Rashford too.
Fekkin ijits. State of this place.
Fekkin ijits. State of this place.
Stop being so negative feck sake. We have winable games. People don't half love doom and gloom.
We’ve barely been in the UCL for a decade!
Completely agree. Our structure is a mess behind the scenes. We should be saving we're man utd, we want to play this certain way.
Then a manager comes and adapts to that and says these are the players I want, and it's bought based on that, so if he doesn't work out, the next manager doesn't have to start from scratch with their way
Fergie to Moyes to lvg to Jose to Ole to Eth. (Can put in Ralf as well but thankfully he didn't sign anybody)
There is no continuity at all.
No it’s not. A fatigued and thin squad is the reason for that.
Stay. I'd thought we'd be 6th at the start of the season.
Martial had been injured practically all season so whoever came in was going to have to play a lot of games so that's a lame excuse.
Weghorst has been a disaster. Antony has too.
The manager isn't blameless here. He's done some good things as I said but the last two months have been shocking.
Losses at Liverpool, Newcastle, Sevilla, Brighton and Westham.
Draws to Spurs, Southampton, Leeds and Sevilla at home.
We've fallen apart a bit contrary to these 'massive improvement' claims.
No.
We need to stop sacking managers. Largely its the same players who have been too inconsistent or aren’t good enough or dont fit the managers methods.
We could sack Ten Hag tomorrow and the new manager will still have Maguire, Mcfred, Martial etc etc.
We dont even have a first 11 thats up to it yet - we need a new rb, gk, cm and striker.
We are 2 injuries/suspensions from maguire and lindelof at the back. Neither Dalot or AWB are good enough. We’ve got nothing past Casemiro in deeper midfield. We've got nothing up front. Lots of our squad is still bang average.
The ownership needs sorting or they need to back a manager to complete what he wants to do. We have a horrible habit of backing the new manager in his first window and then backing off the gas until we get Dalot, Fred and Grant, or Van De Beek, Telles and Cavani.
If the board do it again this summer we will not be able to kick on, and everything will stagnate again.
An easy cup run and relative no show from Chelsea Spurs and Liverpool have glossed over a lot. I think we have actually overachieved.
Plus, there was tolerance for 2 defeats in our final 5 to get top 4. We can still do it but very disappointed that we already dropped one today.
We need to stop sacking managers. Largely its the same players who have been too inconsistent or aren’t good enough or dont fit the managers methods.
We could sack Ten Hag tomorrow and the new manager will still have Maguire, Mcfred, Martial etc etc.
We dont even have a first 11 thats up to it yet - we need a new rb, gk, cm and striker.
We are 2 injuries/suspensions from maguire and lindelof at the back. Neither Dalot or AWB are good enough. We’ve got nothing past Casemiro in deeper midfield. We've got nothing up front. Lots of our squad is still bang average.
The ownership needs sorting or they need to back a manager to complete what he wants to do. We have a horrible habit of backing the new manager in his first window and then backing off the gas until we get Dalot, Fred and Grant, or Van De Beek, Telles and Cavani.
If the board do it again this summer we will not be able to kick on, and everything will stagnate again.
An easy cup run and relative no show from Chelsea Spurs and Liverpool have glossed over a lot. I think we have actually overachieved.
Plus, there was tolerance for 2 defeats in our final 5 to get top 4. We can still do it but very disappointed that we already dropped one today.
Sack the thread starter.
Relax, it's a reverse jinx thread..
There's still time.
Some on here think finishing 5th might not be a sackable offence but playing Bruno Fernandes on the wing to accommodate Weghorst is a sackable offence in my eyes. If he does that just one more time then I'm convinced he's not the man for us. That particular tactic does no good for anyone in the team. He's done it like 5/6 times already this season and we've been crap every time.
He's making a lot of very strange calls of late and that's the most baffling one of all.
He's making a lot of very strange calls of late and that's the most baffling one of all.
No. Although in hindsight, the praise for the manager and this team on league cup final day and after we won it was a disgrace. It should have been pointed out that it’s a great season so far, LC should be a launching pad. But the pundits and many of us fans were acting like we’d won the league. We all know how things have progressed/regressed since.
I was looking at the Twitter debate between Gary Neville & Carragher. And couldn’t help but think both are right. Long term blame is with the Glazers. But ETH needs to take some responsibility for the recent bad form.
1) Waghorse is useless… like not rubbish won’t make mistakes but just not good enough to get the ball. His 6’2 is as useful as a shark with no teeth.
2) I’ve been saying this for ages. ETH game killing subs when we’re under a bit of pressure and winning always end up leaving us under more pressure. All it does is increase the chances of the opposition scoring. His attacking subs are great.
So yeah I think ETH is our most progressive and best manager since SAF. We need to give him time. After almost a full season he deserves praise but also we can see the areas where contrastive criticisms can only help him.
I was looking at the Twitter debate between Gary Neville & Carragher. And couldn’t help but think both are right. Long term blame is with the Glazers. But ETH needs to take some responsibility for the recent bad form.
1) Waghorse is useless… like not rubbish won’t make mistakes but just not good enough to get the ball. His 6’2 is as useful as a shark with no teeth.
2) I’ve been saying this for ages. ETH game killing subs when we’re under a bit of pressure and winning always end up leaving us under more pressure. All it does is increase the chances of the opposition scoring. His attacking subs are great.
So yeah I think ETH is our most progressive and best manager since SAF. We need to give him time. After almost a full season he deserves praise but also we can see the areas where contrastive criticisms can only help him.
Would love to know who the 17% are.
Other managers didn't survive because they didn't show reasons to keep them. They didn't show any cause for optimism, they didn't show signs of future growth, they didn't show enough reasons to think with the right players their system could actually be successful.
We need to win 3 games from our last 4, finally have a break in the schedule to stumble over the line and get some fitness back. We won a cup. We showed plenty of good points in our systems, and ten hag has had to deal with championship/barely premier league caliber players as our central striker and our goalkeeper but we've done well despite it. We've stalled the past month, but I have full faith that we'll improve and especially make a massive leap by addressing just 2 positions. We have to address them, and it'll be a mistake not to do it, but also not the end of the world.
Can't get anything instantly, and most managers aren't capable of actually coaching us properly to compete. Ten hag ultimately is, so to be honest I don't see him under any sort of threat or risk. He's a better manager than anybody out there we could get, he's the best manager we've had post Sir Alex and he has it in him to develop us into a top top club again. Have full faith that the system he can coach can get us there. Sacking a manager is only worth it if you don't think his plans will actually work for your targets long term, and there is somebody better out there. So controversial it may be, but sacking a manager because of achieving certain targets or not is dumb IMO, as luck plays a big role in the final games, and you don't make massive future decisions on things like that.
We need to win 3 games from our last 4, finally have a break in the schedule to stumble over the line and get some fitness back. We won a cup. We showed plenty of good points in our systems, and ten hag has had to deal with championship/barely premier league caliber players as our central striker and our goalkeeper but we've done well despite it. We've stalled the past month, but I have full faith that we'll improve and especially make a massive leap by addressing just 2 positions. We have to address them, and it'll be a mistake not to do it, but also not the end of the world.
Can't get anything instantly, and most managers aren't capable of actually coaching us properly to compete. Ten hag ultimately is, so to be honest I don't see him under any sort of threat or risk. He's a better manager than anybody out there we could get, he's the best manager we've had post Sir Alex and he has it in him to develop us into a top top club again. Have full faith that the system he can coach can get us there. Sacking a manager is only worth it if you don't think his plans will actually work for your targets long term, and there is somebody better out there. So controversial it may be, but sacking a manager because of achieving certain targets or not is dumb IMO, as luck plays a big role in the final games, and you don't make massive future decisions on things like that.
And Antony? What single element of his game is worth £50m let alone 85m leading to possibly 100m?
That signing has scuppered everything including our lack of ability to replace Ronaldo.
49 goals scored. 41 conceded. GD of +8.
As for the question, I'm a bit eh on it. He's lost a lot of goodwill with our results/performances after the league cup final. He's under serious pressure next season to me.
I had a lot of faith in him, but slowly he's destroying it with his decision-making lately.
If De Gea gets extended, it's hopeless.
As for the question, I'm a bit eh on it. He's lost a lot of goodwill with our results/performances after the league cup final. He's under serious pressure next season to me.
I had a lot of faith in him, but slowly he's destroying it with his decision-making lately.
If De Gea gets extended, it's hopeless.
Every fan is frustrated and anxious but come on! After the absolute soul-sucking drudgery since Sir Alex left, we finally have a real leader in charge. One trophy already, one more final to come, and still a great chance for Top 4. United are currently missing their top CB pairing and he was given little money to strengthen in January. Is he being blamed for DDG's error now? Is he expected to publicly berate his number one keeper going into the final stretch? Some perspective is needed.
Certainly not after one season. He deserves another at least just like the others had bar Moyes.
The trouble is I think the next season will be much, much harder to get 4th and unless we buy brilliantly, I’d say we won’t be getting it next year either.
His Weghorst boner is baffling though and really taking some shine off.
The trouble is I think the next season will be much, much harder to get 4th and unless we buy brilliantly, I’d say we won’t be getting it next year either.
His Weghorst boner is baffling though and really taking some shine off.