Should Bayindir be our starting keeper?

Should Bayindir be our first choice goalkeeper?

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Bayindir wasn't on the bench tonight, was he? If he's fit, I can't think of any reasonable explanation that he shouldn't be starting over Onana. Any news on his fitness?
 
Darlington Padgett said:
I don't think that's the case, all of his problems are down to poor technique. This was pointed out before he was bought, his shot-stopping technique and the way he jumps too soon when trying to save are not affected by management. You can see videos of him in every team he's played, he made the same mistakes.
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What I couldn’t understand was Ten Hag sold him at Ajax, so why buy him again if he knew his limitations?
 
The was a Dutch lad on here when we were linked with Onana saying that he was a liability due to always parrying back into trouble. He was spot on.
 
Yep. Onana needs dropping, for his own good at this point. Guys in shambolic form.

Given we're not going down I'd play Bayindir or whoever is the closest to ready youngster. Make it crystal clear to them that this is a free hit, stakes couldn't be lower, and their job is to keep the ball out of the net - forget everything else for the time being.

I'd expect we'd be better off.
 
Now that we're pretty much safe then I'd be willing to give Bayindir a run in the team once he's fit again.

Don't think he's any sort of long-term solution, but giving him a go is fair.
 
They should bring back that tea lady...to play in goal...anyone would be an improvement on that useless tw*t!
 
ClassOf'99 said:
Thank you both, would happily take him back and end this circus
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I don't think he's #1 at Leverkusen yet even is he? Patiently waiting for Hradecky to shuffle off last I checked.

I'm sure he'd be an improvement on Onana, no question given how bad he's been this year. But there's quite a good selection of good keepers out there to choose from at the moment.

If our recruitment team has bucked their ideas up there's no excuse for not improving us on a reasonable budget this summer.

I mean .. they have to know that keeper is right up there on the priority list right? Surely..
 
OleGunnar20 said:
I don't think he's #1 at Leverkusen yet even is he? Patiently waiting for Hradecky to shuffle off last I checked.

I'm sure he'd be an improvement on Onana, no question given how bad he's been this year. But there's quite a good selection of good keepers out there to choose from at the moment.

If our recruitment team has bucked their ideas up there's no excuse for not improving us on a reasonable budget this summer.

I mean .. they have to know that keeper is right up there on the priority list right? Surely..
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He's started 12 for them so far, including 5 starts in the Champions League, he's just a good option for relatively cheap.

If we don't have money to spend, then GK won't be a priority, let's just hope we've kept all funds for this summer
 
ClassOf'99 said:
He's started 12 for them so far, including 5 starts in the Champions League, he's just a good option for relatively cheap.

If we don't have money to spend, then GK won't be a priority, let's just hope we've kept all funds for this summer
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Ah fair play, that's more than I'd thought ( unfortuanetly I've no time to pay much attention outside of the PL these days).

I think I remember the buyback clause being rumoured at under £20m. If so, yeah he'd definitely be a good option on a budget.
 
Drop Onana as soon as Bayinder is fit again. Sell Onana in the summer, buy back Kovar and let him fight it out with Bayinder for the 1st team spot.
 
Last straw for me today. At the absolute minimum we need to see rotation but I’d be happy to see Bayindir get an uninterrupted run in the team so we at least know what we’ve got.
 
Don’t think we have a lot to lose by switching for the rest of the season. The Onana situation is ridiculous.
 
Onana is a calamity. Bring John o' Shea out of retirement and put him in goal instead at this point.
 
Is he good enough to be long term, no. But then we have to replace Onana, so Bayindir has to get a run in my view. If he's fit he'd probably play Sunday in the cup regardless.
 
Onana himself said he was going to take more risks this season, we cannot continue to play a goalkeeper of his ilk in a system with a dodgy defence. Bayindir is average but yeah, he has to be number one now. I was half joking with a mate last night that he could genuinely be in the running for our player of the season because of his performance vs. Arsenal (probably our best individual performance this season).
 
bigeyedfish21 said:
Never should have got rid De Gea.
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dinostar77 said:
Agreed. Was the least of our issues in the team.
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Really guys? Two things can be right at the same time. DDG had to leave and Onana was a bad replacement.

You guys really need to watch DDGs last two seasons here again. Just like Onana, single handedly cost us games, very high profile ones that too. Let's not start the DDG revisionism, amazing player for the club and deservedly our best player for most of them, but the ending was bad, really really bad.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
When is Altay due back.

He should start every game until the end of the season, not just cup ones
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Amorim missed the perfect opportunity to stick with Bayindir after his cup heroics v Arsenal.

He probably isnt a better keeper than Onana. But this clown spreads panic. You go out of the tunnel already stressed what this clown will do. It affects your desicion making.

With the turkish guy or any keeper from Academy, players would not have this panic mentallity as they seldom/never experienced a Bayindir or an Academy keeper behind their back.

Thats also my answer to otherwise reasonable poster Insanity claiming you can not put a young, academy goalie in to hard PL enviroment. Sometimes, its just that reserve keeper wont spread chaos, saves bread and butter shots for a goalie - unlike Onana who is the worst type for the defense: making some unexpected great saves, next minute he palms an easy shot back into traffic.

As Bayindir is injured currently: what is Tom Heaton doing these days? Even if he is like 45 years old now, would he not still be a safer pair of hands than Onana, just doing the basics properly? ETH decision to sell Matěj Kovář (twice the goalkeeper than Onana) for a pittance, bring his own clown for 50mil and add poor turkish fella both through his money making agency needs investigating.
 
Brand Nubian said:
As Bayindir is injured currently: what is Tom Heaton doing these days? Even if he is like 45 years old now, would he not still be a safer pair of hands than Onana, just doing the basics properly? ETH decision to sell Matěj Kovář (twice the goalkeeper than Onana) for a pittance, bring his own clown for 50mil and add poor turkish fella both through his money making agency needs investigating.
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Injured too I believe, which is why he isn't on the bench either.
 
Fitchett said:
Drop Onana as soon as Bayinder is fit again. Sell Onana in the summer, buy back Kovar and let him fight it out with Bayinder for the 1st team spot.
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Bayindir and Kovar fighting for first choice goalkeeper - with a total of 4 league appearances between them in the past 2 years - sounds a great way to make sure we never move above our current 14th place.

Christ.
 
Brand Nubian said:
Amorim missed the perfect opportunity to stick with Bayindir after his cup heroics v Arsenal.

He probably isnt a better keeper than Onana. But this clown spreads panic. You go out of the tunnel already stressed what this clown will do. It affects your desicion making.

With the turkish guy or any keeper from Academy, players would not have this panic mentallity as they seldom/never experienced a Bayindir or an Academy keeper behind their back.

Thats also my answer to otherwise reasonable poster Insanity claiming you can not put a young, academy goalie in to hard PL enviroment. Sometimes, its just that reserve keeper wont spread chaos, saves bread and butter shots for a goalie - unlike Onana who is the worst type for the defense: making some unexpected great saves, next minute he palms an easy shot back into traffic.

As Bayindir is injured currently: what is Tom Heaton doing these days? Even if he is like 45 years old now, would he not still be a safer pair of hands than Onana, just doing the basics properly? ETH decision to sell Matěj Kovář (twice the goalkeeper than Onana) for a pittance, bring his own clown for 50mil and add poor turkish fella both through his money making agency needs investigating.
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At this point, I just don't think thats true... mainly because I'm not sure how it would be possible to be a worse keeper then Onana!
 
bigeyedfish21 said:
Never should have got rid De Gea.
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Yes, they should have. The error is in not replacing him with a sufficiently good enough played, not getting rid of DDG.

He was also routinely making errors and giving goals away towards the end, as well as being awful with the ball at his feet.
 
I don't think either are good enough, for different reasons, but I'd give Bayandir a run because there is less evidence to suggest he isn't

Onana gives me "outfield player who ended up becoming a goalkeeper" vibes, not just because of his positioning and distribution

We also have to be totally honest that there are very few exceptional goalkeepers in world football who at this moment United could go for, and it's unclear if that position is even a priority above others. Looks like we are stuck with what we have for now.
 
bigeyedfish21 said:
Never should have got rid De Gea.
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Look forwards, not backwards.
The reality is if Ineos think Onana can't turn it around they have to sell him asap given his age + value will still be decent enough. If they don't believe in Bayindir as No1 then I think they should go short term superficially on the GK position and just pick someone up like that Napoli keeper who is out of contract this summer.

I'd rather have an average/cheap GK short term and get in young, athletic outfield players as a priority.
 
I haven't voted for either as, really, neither should be our #1 and we really need to address that department in the summer (along with so many others!)

The question really is who should be starting until then? And Bayindir's injury has come at a bad time as I really do think there's no doubt that Onana's form has been such that he 100% deserves to be dropped. After that, it's not so much that Bayindir has done so much as the understudy to have really earned that opportunity. It's just that he's next in line and we simply have to drop Onana and give Bayindir a chance to see how well he can do.

Really, neither are #1's - it's just that Onana has been playing like an even bigger pile of #2 for too long and simply needs replacing, either now or in the summer.
 
JB08 said:
Bayindir and Kovar fighting for first choice goalkeeper - with a total of 4 league appearances between them in the past 2 years - sounds a great way to make sure we never move above our current 14th place.

Christ.
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Kovar was Leverkusen's cup GK last year to be fair, started every game in the EL as they got to the final.

Obviously a bit of a step-up to being a full-time league keeper but he looks to have the attributes needed, and might be worth a pint if the buyback is under £20m.
 
Bertie Wooster said:
I haven't voted for either as, really, neither should be our #1 and we really need to address that department in the summer (along with so many others!)

The question really is who should be starting until then? And Bayindir's injury has come at a bad time as I really do think there's no doubt that Onana's form has been such that he 100% deserves to be dropped. After that, it's not so much that Bayindir has done so much as the understudy to have really earned that opportunity. It's just that he's next in line and we simply have to drop Onana and give Bayindir a chance to see how well he can do.

Really, neither are #1's - it's just that Onana has been playing like an even bigger pile of #2 for too long and simply needs replacing, either now or in the summer.
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Should just treat the rest of the season as a free hit now we're safe, as crazy as that is to say. Play Onana for the rest of the season, it's win win - he either recovers and plays well and then we assess in summer or sell, or he plays as people expect and we do the same. The reality is our squad is getting to a decent place from an age perspective, still need to sort out Shaw, Mount, Case + Eriksen, Lindelof and Evans retire/leave this summer so Ineos will have to be eyeing up a decent amount of transfers. Let's hope they just bring in some monsters, fast, aggressive and able to sort out the spine of the team.
 
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