The point, going back to the original post(s), was that if you have a choice between 'average' and 'poor', my recommendation is to stick with 'average'.Yeah and Barthez was shite here. Very similar to Onana actually, capable of the odd good save but prone to terrible mistakes and when he'd drop one his confidence would shatter and they'd be followed by more and more.
Neither keeper is good enough and as others have said Bayindir doesn't really deserve to be starting but then Onana deserves to be dropped so it's a tough one. It's like Zirkzee and Hojlund, they look their best when the other one is playing but ultimately both are substandard.
The point, going back to the original post(s), was that if you have a choice between 'average' and 'poor', my recommendation is to stick with 'average'.
It's well and good clamouring to drop Onana, but I am certain that Bayindir is far worse. Therefore, by default, I'd stick with Onana until Summer.
+ bear in-mind...if we want to sell Onana, dropping him damages his transfer value.
His performances haven't been so good that he has earned the right to start. It's just that Onana has definitely earned the right to be dropped.
This. It's got very little to do with Bayindir and a lot to do with the desire to see Onana dropped.
Christ this place...
I have spoken before about the "DvdB effect".
Essentially, a player who isn't playing very much during a bad spell becomes "the answer" overnight, purely as a result of not playing much. They're not tarnished by the poor performances of their starting counterparts, they're not held to the same standards during their little cameos, usually against weak opponents, and we don't see enough of them to see how bad they are.
Let's be honest, I am sick of Onana now. He's not a bad goalkeeper overall, but he can't be trusted. He's proven his mistakes are not nerves or blips, they're part of his game.
However....Bayinder has been...let's be honest....pretty poor in the few games we have seen him. The "DvdB effect" is currently putting a shimmering gloss on his performances but he was God-awful against Leicester in the cup and then again against Spurs in the cup.
His 'redemption' came through saving a couple of penalties against Arsenal, but lest we forget, he was at fault for their goal, flapping at a cross and his kicking was nothing short of appalling...he couldn't even hit the pitch, nevermind a United shirt.
Last night was a nothing match for him. He made two routine saves that Onana would have also made, and again, his kicking was shocking.
Mark my words...Onana is much the better goalkeeper. Don't fall for this fallacy of believing a pretty poor player is the answer because a genuinely decent but imperfect player is struggling.
A few people getting hysterical about this question but I don't think many if any are implying he's the answer, just that he's less of a liability than Onana
Onana is a better keeper, but I think Bayindir is more consistent and reliable if you give him a long stint. Both are not a long term solution, but in the current state where every goal counts, you can't afford those howlers of Onana.
Onana is better but we should give Altay a run of games to see how he does (1) to put pressure on Onana, (2) to show all other players in the team that if you perform bad you'll be put on the bench!
And going back to my original point though....so far Bayindir is averaging more mistakes per game, arguably without the moments of brilliance Onana has undeniably produced this seasonMy reply to you @Lentwood would be some kind of amalgamation of all these quoted posts. This is a matter of the lesser of two evils, and in this instance, about trust and faith fans and fellow players can put into the guy between the sticks. Onana has made some incredible saves this season, but on the other hand, he makes more clangers in a season than I’d expect to see in a keeper’s career, or at least until they’re well, well past their best (think Schmeichel’s wind down).
I personally find it deeply unsettling to watch a keeper I have no certainty that they can see out a game without a totally random howler, play. What good is, say, a 7/10 keeper who has a clanger consistency near, what? 7, 8? Out of 10 over a 5/10 keeper with a 3/10 clanger expectancy? (Yes, I’m making up my own metric) Who is actually the better keeper there? Who unsettles their teammates more?
Onana has done absolutely nothing to be a lock for the position except cost a lot. It should not guarantee him the #1 spot. It’s clear we need a new keeper, but that’s not close to being a top priority with the state of our squad and restrictions, so we had better fortify the keeper rotation as best we can, which means not having all eggs in Onana’s basket. We already know he’ll spill half of them.
All keepers make mistakes. That’s not the issue. Howlers, however, are reserved for few - are you saying Bayindir has had a number of howlers?And going back to my original point though....so far Bayindir is averaging more mistakes per game, arguably without the moments of brilliance Onana has undeniably produced this season
Yes Bayindir saved two penalties vs Arsenal and I was pleased for him. Onana also saved vital penalties vs Southampton away, vs Copenhagen last season in the CL and vs Coventry in the FA Cup Semi-Final
