Should Bayindir be our starting keeper?

Should Bayindir be our first choice goalkeeper?

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He's not very good. If he became our starting keeper we'd have the worst keeper in the league.

Onana can't seem to keep together week in week out and should be moved on.
 
Neither are good enough for the long run, but Bayindir has made lesser blunders of the two in recent times, so sure. It's a choice between a keeper who lets in direct goals from corners and one who neither moves towards nor holds on to a football. I'll take the former for now.
 
Of course he shouldn't be out starting keeper if we had better options but we have an absolute fecking clown in onana who makes way more mistakes I don't get why this is even a choice atm.
 
Gandalf Greyhame said:
Neither are good enough for the long run, but Bayindir has made lesser blunders of the two in recent times, so sure. It's a choice between a keeper who lets in direct goals from corners and one who neither moves towards nor holds on to a football. I'll take the former for now.
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I'm pretty sure that it's a choice between a keeper who lets in direct goals from corners and a keeper who lets in direct goals from corners.
 
Maybe to challenge and put some pressure on Onana, but ultimately he isn't good enough either. We need to buy a new keeper. We are suffering on both ends of the pitch due to the lack of a good striker and a good keeper.
 
Neither is good enough long term, but i feel he's earned a chance by simply not gifting away goals.
 
harms said:
I'm pretty sure that it's a choice between a keeper who lets in direct goals from corners and a keeper who lets in direct goals from corners.
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Or one that lets In goals from corners and another who lets In goals from corners and everywhere else whilst spilling stuff.Bayindir seems the lesser of the two evils atm was great the in arsenal game and solid yesterday.
 
Neither he nor Onana are good enough longterm, but for now Bayindir might well be the less disastrous option.

I really tried to be patient with Onana, let a first season full of bad mistakes be behind him and all that, but his mistakes keep being too frequent and too egregious. He should be moved on in summer if the club can find somebody decent.
 
Why not, I mean we know what we have in Onana after all this time he's still the same. At least with Bayindir maybe there's hope especially if we can flip him for a higher fee by the end of the season. Onana is basically a high risk high reward GK. When he's on he's basically one of the best ball playing GKs, the problem is that he's not really that consistent, and he can't keep his heights for longer than 10ish games and then going back to being average. I think his biggest concern is that he's just doesn't give the feeling of being reliable.

But I feel like everyone papered over his faults when he first came. But he wasn't extremely consistent either in Inter. He was great at the CL but he was average in the league. I remember inter fans were saying that in his last year with them.
 
It is hard to judge any player when the whole team is underperforming dismally and the bar here at this club is so low.
 
His performances haven't been so good that he has earned the right to start. It's just that Onana has definitely earned the right to be dropped.
 
Christ this place...

I have spoken before about the "DvdB effect".

Essentially, a player who isn't playing very much during a bad spell becomes "the answer" overnight, purely as a result of not playing much. They're not tarnished by the poor performances of their starting counterparts, they're not held to the same standards during their little cameos, usually against weak opponents, and we don't see enough of them to see how bad they are.

Let's be honest, I am sick of Onana now. He's not a bad goalkeeper overall, but he can't be trusted. He's proven his mistakes are not nerves or blips, they're part of his game.

However....Bayinder has been...let's be honest....pretty poor in the few games we have seen him. The "DvdB effect" is currently putting a shimmering gloss on his performances but he was God-awful against Leicester in the cup and then again against Spurs in the cup.

His 'redemption' came through saving a couple of penalties against Arsenal, but lest we forget, he was at fault for their goal, flapping at a cross and his kicking was nothing short of appalling...he couldn't even hit the pitch, nevermind a United shirt.

Last night was a nothing match for him. He made two routine saves that Onana would have also made, and again, his kicking was shocking.

Mark my words...Onana is much the better goalkeeper. Don't fall for this fallacy of believing a pretty poor player is the answer because a genuinely decent but imperfect player is struggling.
 
I mean he made some great penalty saves but he still looked shakey. He’s so weak, can’t punch, his distribution is absolutely shocking (would just boot it out of play every goal kick). We were joking he might need a centre back to take his GKs Sunday league style

He’s not the answer, but he’s too good to be our backup. Can see him going to a good team soon
 
We have two keepers that aren’t good enough. Both perform at a similar level but Bayindir hasn’t had a chance to build his confidence and perform consistently so go with Bayindir (or a new keeper)
 
Watching Onana playing in the Italian Serie A before he came here I was sceptical of him coming here.

Unfortunately I was right.
 
AbstruseAlan said:
He actually saved one brilliantly from a corner today that was going in and was injured in the process.

We shouldn't really judge him on isolated incidents. I'm not sold on him fully by any means but he deserves a chance over Onana for the next couple at least.
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He was also at fault for the first Solanke goal and then the Gabriel goal at Arsenal. He's as been as bad as Onana for mistakes in a small sample size and objectively is a worse keeper.
 
Lennon7 said:
We were joking he might need a centre back to take his GKs Sunday league style
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That is genuinely what I'd do when Bayindir is between the posts. He's got an awful foot on him, and I cannot understand why he is still allowed to take the goal kicks when he just cannot seem to get his aim right, or even manage to hit the pitch reliably.
 
G3079 said:
That is genuinely what I'd do when Bayindir is between the posts. He's got an awful foot on him, and I cannot understand why he is still allowed to take the goal kicks when he just cannot seem to get his aim right, or even manage to hit the pitch reliably.
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You don't want a defender taking goal kicks on a regular basis for offside reasons
 
Honestly, when Onana doesn't play I realise just how nervous he makes me. I think as a keeper he's capable of making good saves but he just doesn't react well to the unexpected.

That shot yesterday which got deflected. I'm almost certain Onana let's it in.
 
Lentwood said:
Christ this place...

I have spoken before about the "DvdB effect".

Essentially, a player who isn't playing very much during a bad spell becomes "the answer" overnight, purely as a result of not playing much. They're not tarnished by the poor performances of their starting counterparts, they're not held to the same standards during their little cameos, usually against weak opponents, and we don't see enough of them to see how bad they are.

Let's be honest, I am sick of Onana now. He's not a bad goalkeeper overall, but he can't be trusted. He's proven his mistakes are not nerves or blips, they're part of his game.

However....Bayinder has been...let's be honest....pretty poor in the few games we have seen him. The "DvdB effect" is currently putting a shimmering gloss on his performances but he was God-awful against Leicester in the cup and then again against Spurs in the cup.

His 'redemption' came through saving a couple of penalties against Arsenal, but lest we forget, he was at fault for their goal, flapping at a cross and his kicking was nothing short of appalling...he couldn't even hit the pitch, nevermind a United shirt.

Last night was a nothing match for him. He made two routine saves that Onana would have also made, and again, his kicking was shocking.

Mark my words...Onana is much the better goalkeeper. Don't fall for this fallacy of believing a pretty poor player is the answer because a genuinely decent but imperfect player is struggling.
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Yeah agree with all of this. I’m not an Onana fan but he is the better keeper. We’re also stuck with him for at least another season as no one is going to pay £30 million to allow us to break even.
 
Is any goalkeeper worse than Onana in premier league ?
 
Whilst he's in a bit of a good spell, start Bayindir. Just to make a point to Onana.
 
I like the way he shoved the Rangers player out the way during one of the corners. Onana sometimes gets bullied in these situations which doesn't help to inspire confidence. The little things. Id give Bayandir the nod, has presence.
 
kafta said:
Neither is good enough long term, but i feel he's earned a chance by simply not gifting away goals.
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Did you not watch the Spurs game? He was absolutely atrocious. 3 of the 4 goals conceded were due to his mistakes.

He has only played 5 games this season, how would he be gifting goals when he barely plays.

5 games played, 7 goals conceded and 3 of the goals conceded were due to mistakes.
 
Might as well try it. Why should we feel bad for Onana? he's had loads of chances and the defences in front of him have been getting better. It's not like he's De Gea having to put up with Jones, Smalling, and Darmian combo week in week out that at the time were pretty bad.
 
Lentwood said:
Christ this place...

I have spoken before about the "DvdB effect".

Essentially, a player who isn't playing very much during a bad spell becomes "the answer" overnight, purely as a result of not playing much. They're not tarnished by the poor performances of their starting counterparts, they're not held to the same standards during their little cameos, usually against weak opponents, and we don't see enough of them to see how bad they are.

Let's be honest, I am sick of Onana now. He's not a bad goalkeeper overall, but he can't be trusted. He's proven his mistakes are not nerves or blips, they're part of his game.

However....Bayinder has been...let's be honest....pretty poor in the few games we have seen him. The "DvdB effect" is currently putting a shimmering gloss on his performances but he was God-awful against Leicester in the cup and then again against Spurs in the cup.

His 'redemption' came through saving a couple of penalties against Arsenal, but lest we forget, he was at fault for their goal, flapping at a cross and his kicking was nothing short of appalling...he couldn't even hit the pitch, nevermind a United shirt.

Last night was a nothing match for him. He made two routine saves that Onana would have also made, and again, his kicking was shocking.

Mark my words...Onana is much the better goalkeeper. Don't fall for this fallacy of believing a pretty poor player is the answer because a genuinely decent but imperfect player is struggling.
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'He's a good goalkeeper overall'
'He's proved mistakes are part of his game'

You've said this in the same paragraph. Our fans have no standards anymore.
 
Lentwood said:
Christ this place...

I have spoken before about the "DvdB effect".

Essentially, a player who isn't playing very much during a bad spell becomes "the answer" overnight, purely as a result of not playing much. They're not tarnished by the poor performances of their starting counterparts, they're not held to the same standards during their little cameos, usually against weak opponents, and we don't see enough of them to see how bad they are.

Let's be honest, I am sick of Onana now. He's not a bad goalkeeper overall, but he can't be trusted. He's proven his mistakes are not nerves or blips, they're part of his game.

However....Bayinder has been...let's be honest....pretty poor in the few games we have seen him. The "DvdB effect" is currently putting a shimmering gloss on his performances but he was God-awful against Leicester in the cup and then again against Spurs in the cup.

His 'redemption' came through saving a couple of penalties against Arsenal, but lest we forget, he was at fault for their goal, flapping at a cross and his kicking was nothing short of appalling...he couldn't even hit the pitch, nevermind a United shirt.

Last night was a nothing match for him. He made two routine saves that Onana would have also made, and again, his kicking was shocking.

Mark my words...Onana is much the better goalkeeper. Don't fall for this fallacy of believing a pretty poor player is the answer because a genuinely decent but imperfect player is struggling.
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Agree with everything but the nomenclature. 'Kagawa conundrum' sounds better.
 
Adz_99 said:
Honestly, when Onana doesn't play I realise just how nervous he makes me. I think as a keeper he's capable of making good saves but he just doesn't react well to the unexpected.

That shot yesterday which got deflected. I'm almost certain Onana let's it in.
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Exactly that. He pulls of worldies but he makes too many mistakes. I don't know how to descibe it but sometimes it seems he has no strength in his hands and the ball goes through. Also seems to have problems with shots from distance. Like Barthez back then, he cannot be trusted.

He seems to have the right mentality and to be a nice guy but we need to improve on him.
 
Adz_99 said:
Honestly, when Onana doesn't play I realise just how nervous he makes me. I think as a keeper he's capable of making good saves but he just doesn't react well to the unexpected.

That shot yesterday which got deflected. I'm almost certain Onana let's it in.
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When that happened I did think, I swear to god I've seen that exact incident where Onana just crumples onto his knees and slowly just turns his head and watches the ball bobble in.
 
didz said:
Agree with everything but the nomenclature. 'Kagawa conundrum' sounds better.
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Could also go with "the Dalot dilemma", but I thought that might confuse people, as he's actually since won our PotS and is now a regular starter. I remember when he was on loan at Milan and he was the answer to all our issues. He was going to come in at RB and unlock our right flank, flying down the wing like a prime Dani Alves and defending like Maldini.

I still think he's painfully mediocre overall but mediocre sometimes looks 'good' in this current side
 
Absolutely.

I am wholly convinced, and have been for a while that Onana is nowhere near good enough to be our Number 1 keeper. (and loads others agree obviously)

I also know that Bayindir is not good enough to be our number one, however he might be good enough to be our Number 2, so starting him over Onana will at least go someway to answering that question ahead of next season.
 
I'm not against it, but despite his recent awful handling last time out and his trouble with those corners aimed at goal he's still saved us plenty of times this season with saves. So I'd still just about stick with Onana even though Bayindir has also made good saves when picked.
 
Lentwood said:
I could describe World Cup winning goalkeeper Fabien Barthez exactly the same way
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Yeah and Barthez was shite here. Very similar to Onana actually, capable of the odd good save but prone to terrible mistakes and when he'd drop one his confidence would shatter and they'd be followed by more and more.

Neither keeper is good enough and as others have said Bayindir doesn't really deserve to be starting but then Onana deserves to be dropped so it's a tough one. It's like Zirkzee and Hojlund, they look their best when the other one is playing but ultimately both are substandard.
 
Not convinced Bayindir is the answer, and while Onana has terrible mistakes in him, he has not been too bad looked across all the games he has played for us.
 
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