Sherlock

Recognised the actress, which sort of resulted in me spending the entire episode wondering why she was also the therapist.

Would probably not even have recognised her either, but the only time I've seen her was when she was Ophelia to Cumberbatch's Hamlet, which resulted in some awful mental gymnastics to put a name to the face.
 
Also, I don't understand why Watson was at any point angry at Sherlock over the death of Mary. Yeah yeah, 'he made a vow'.. I think that vow goes out the window when she throws herself infront of the bullet no? Just the whole idea of it in any way being Sherlock's fault was a bit silly.
 
Bill.s.preston said:
I liked the twist. Not entirely happy with imaginary Mary or the Mrs Hudson stunt driver bollocks. Also, did it have to be Holmes' sister? Why not just a female villain that doesn't happen to be related to one of the main characters? Seems a bit silly, I certainly don't recall Holmes having a sister in the original stories.

Vast improvement on last week though.
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This is the only thing that really bugged me, too. It's something Moffat is want to do in Dr Who as well - make his characters the most important people in the universe, which everything and everyone else almost magnetically revolves around. It makes the writing 'cleaner' so to speak, with fewer loose ends, but it also makes the world they exist in increasingly small and contrived.

It also paints them into a corner a bit, where the lead characters are so famous and feted in-world, that they can't go anywhere or do anything without it being commented on.
 
*points gun at Watson*

*camera pans to face down the barrel of gun*

*pulls trigger*

OH NOES, IS HE DEAD CLIFFHANGER

*BBC preview next episode*

Ah no, there he is. Grand so.
 
Much better episode.

Agree that making the female a sister was unnecessary.
 
It was a confusing first 30 mins or so, but then I really loved the rest of it. Easily better than the first episode, and the twist was very very unexpected. Loved it.

Bill.s.preston said:
I liked the twist. Not entirely happy with imaginary Mary or the Mrs Hudson stunt driver bollocks. Also, did it have to be Holmes' sister? Why not just a female villain that doesn't happen to be related to one of the main characters? Seems a bit silly, I certainly don't recall Holmes having a sister in the original stories.

Vast improvement on last week though.
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I think that's where the "Miss Me" phrase comes in. It had to be a character who had interacted with Sherlock at some point for that phrase to make sense. Yeah, it could have been done a Moriarty Fanboy/fangirl also, but this makes it a touch more personal.
 
Ijazz17 said:
It was a confusing first 30 mins or so, but then I really loved the rest of it. Easily better than the first episode, and the twist was very very unexpected. Loved it.


I think that's where the "Miss Me" phrase comes in. It had to be a character who had interacted with Sherlock at some point for that phrase to make sense. Yeah, it could have been done a Moriarty Fanboy/fangirl also, but this makes it a touch more personal.
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Yes, that would make sense. Still a bit too silly that she's a relative though.
 
GDaly95 said:
Also, I don't understand why Watson was at any point angry at Sherlock over the death of Mary. Yeah yeah, 'he made a vow'.. I think that vow goes out the window when she throws herself infront of the bullet no? Just the whole idea of it in any way being Sherlock's fault was a bit silly.
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I think it is because Sherlock went out of his way to goad the villain at the aquarium. Mary herself was warning him: "Sherlock, that's enough, we've got her" etc. but he kept going and going because his hurt pride at being fooled led him to overplay his hand and put Mary into harm's way, plus he'd promised that she'd be safe with him.

That said I agree it's a little silly when you factor in she's supposed to be one of the greatest black ops assets in the world who has been keen to operate separately to John and Sherlock at almost every turn.

Mockney said:
This is the only thing that really bugged me, too. It's something Moffat is want to do in Dr Who as well - make his characters the most important people in the universe, which everything and everyone else almost magnetically revolves around. It makes the writing 'cleaner' so to speak, with fewer loose ends, but it also makes the world they exist in increasingly small and contrived.

It also paints them into a corner a bit, where the lead characters are so famous and feted in-world, that they can't go anywhere or do anything without it being commented on.
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Agreed. Although you could argue the pair's fame and notoriety opens a few doors, such as Smith instantly granting them an audience which led to his downfall, you can't shake the feeling that there is no way a detective, not to mention a personality such as Sherlock, would have allowed himself to become a household name and give so much of himself away. Plus as you say every storyline revolving around the group (including Mary's ridiculous and annoying super spy alter ego) seems like forced contrivance at this stage.
 
Unlikely lad said:
Recognised the actress, which sort of resulted in me spending the entire episode wondering why she was also the therapist.

Would probably not even have recognised her either, but the only time I've seen her was when she was Ophelia to Cumberbatch's Hamlet, which resulted in some awful mental gymnastics to put a name to the face.
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What annoyed me is I could clearly see that the fake daughter simply wasn't the same daughter from the start of the show. As soon as it was made clear who he sent the text to I knew exactly what would happen with the self doubt etc.
 
Bill.s.preston said:
Yes, that would make sense. Still a bit too silly that she's a relative though.
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I get that not everyone would like it, but I loved it. They did something similar on the American Sherlock (aka Elementary) and it was well executed there too.
 
Was much better than last week, think Mary ruined it a bit last week really and her not being in it as much this week (or having a less important role) helped the show.

Didn't see the twist at all or notice it was the same actresss but I never really notice stuff like that anyway!
 
Much better episode but I still think the quality has dropped, especially in comparison to seasons 1 & 2.

Loved the twist at the end, did not see the sister thing coming. Although, I did recognise the therapist as being the same woman who visited Sherlock (amazed he didn't deduce/notice this).

Mary is so annoying. Just feck off.

Edit: and wtf is Sherrinford if that's not the 3rd sibling?!
 
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that was Sherlock Holmes. The whole deducting two weeks ago thing was awesome but the Jesse pinkman like guy was wasted. The ending was brilliant though. I recognised the actress but thought it was moriarty related.

Toby Jones brilliant as a villain yet again.
 
I was thinking that the woman's glasses were too reflective as I couldn't see her eyes properly.
 
ha_rooney said:
Much better episode but I still think the quality has dropped, especially in comparison to seasons 1 & 2.

Loved the twist at the end, did not see the sister thing coming. Although, I did recognise the therapist as being the same woman who visited Sherlock (amazed he didn't deduce/notice this).

Mary is so annoying. Just feck off.

Edit: and wtf is Sherrinford if that's not the 3rd sibling?!
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A fourth one?

Given the 'everyone stops looking at three line' it would make sense.
 
NinjaFletch said:
A fourth one?

Given the 'everyone stops looking at three line' it would make sense.
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Ooh interesting theory that.

Shame there's only 1 episode left for them to reveal/discuss everything. Really feel the sister angle should be covered over 2 episodes.
 
Really liked it and didn't mind the twist at the end at end either. A lot better than the complete rubbish last week. This actually had Sherlock moments in it.

Unfortunately only one more episode left. They really should do more than 3 in a season. By the time you get into it, it's over.
 
How did Sherlock not notice that he spent an entire night hanging out with his own sister?
 
Ibi Dreams said:
How did Sherlock not notice that he spent an entire night hanging out with his own sister?
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It was basically foreshadowed before.
Watson left a balloon effigy of himself and Sherlock didn't notice. He's rubbish with faces. We also don't know their relationship so maybe he hasn't seen her as an adult? Lots of those children's singing and running flashbacks. Probably related.
 
Loved it. Biggest compliment I can give to a Sherlock episode is that you literally can't wait what they come up with next, sure it might be a tad over the top and over used by now, but it still is great entertainment.
 
ha_rooney said:
Much better episode but I still think the quality has dropped, especially in comparison to seasons 1 & 2.

Loved the twist at the end, did not see the sister thing coming. Although, I did recognise the therapist as being the same woman who visited Sherlock (amazed he didn't deduce/notice this).

Mary is so annoying. Just feck off.

Edit: and wtf is Sherrinford if that's not the 3rd sibling?!
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Yup same. In fact when she talks with Sherlock in his house at that time only I thought that the woman showed in boardroom and this woman are not same and later with therapist I could recognize her being same person who visited Sherlock. Also they showed the therapist a bit too smarter with her questions to Dr.Watson first time whereas all previous therapists in show have been shown of not much use.
 
12OunceEpilogue said:
Agreed. Although you could argue the pair's fame and notoriety opens a few doors, such as Smith instantly granting them an audience which led to his downfall
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True, in this story at least, but then access is what Lestrade and his police connections are supposed to be for. It was alot funnier when he was getting in their way and causing friction within the ranks. Now virtually all those side characters are gone and they've basically admitted outright that Lestrade's a neutered puppy. Its funny for a quick meta-gag, but then there's nowhere else to go with it. Still, it can be forgiven, it's more the...

.. every storyline revolving around the group (including Mary's ridiculous and annoying super spy alter ego) seems like forced contrivance at this stage.
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...element that's problematic for me. Im not 100%, but I don't think they've taken a case that wasn't in some way at least tangentially connected to them since the second season. It's the kind of thing that happens in soap operas. Sister you've never heard of before turns up on the square at New Years? Classic.
 
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Finally got round to watching the first episode of the new series... I thought it was OK, but at the end it felt like I was watching an episode of Castle to be honest.

Glad Mary's gone though, she's too smug... which I guess is the point to play off Sherlock's own smugness, but two smug characters is kinda annoying.
 
And watched the second one last night... now thats proper Sherlock, absolutely loved it - up there with the best Sherlock has to offer. It probably does fall apart if you recognised the actress - but if you didn't (and I didn't) then it properly has you - so much so that the twist of her being Sherlocks sister is unnecessary (I bet half the reason they had that second twist was in case you called the first one) but not a move that I hate or anything.

Mockney said:
...element that's problematic for me. Im not 100%, but I don't think they've taken a case that wasn't in some way at least tangentially connected to them since the second season. It's the kind of thing that happens in soap operas. Sister you've never heard of before turns up on the square at New Years? Classic.
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To be fair, every episode in season one and two linked to Moriaty (bar the hounds I think)... and every episode in 3 & 4 has linked to the Sherlock/John/Mary (apart from the return of Sherlock, which had a case that wasn't about them or linked to them - though that was largely background to Sherlocks return)
 
GDaly95 said:
Did anyone else not think the twist at the end was a bit stupid? Even when off his face on drugs the guy will obviously recognise the same face twice, I mean he remembered the precise measurements between her and the real daughter! Also when at the end the girl said to Watson "You're much nicer than I thought you'd be" in a mocking manner.. That line means nothing to Watson. He wasn't there when she first said it.

Really think its a shit twist and they were trying to be too clever.
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If the great artistic work of the 1990's that is Face/Off told us anything - it's that you can change your face, but your measurements/physique will stay the same, so you're better off remembering those.
 
The fact that Nic Cage and John Travolta had such different physiques made Face Off all the more ridiculous(ly good).
 
Just watched the second episode, thought it was excellent and riveting from start to finish. I didn't notice that the two actresses were the same so it all worked very well for me, and Toby Jones was so good. Also, I thought Mary's character was oddly bearable now that she's dead. Can't wait for next week's episode, though there will be a bittersweet feel to it, knowing we'll probably have to wait 3 years before any new episodes.
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The fact that Nic Cage and John Travolta had such different physiques made Face Off all the more ridiculous(ly good).
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Such a good film.
 
Looking forward to this. Luckily the 720 and 1080's are out ASAP as the show finishes.
 
feck it.

I've given up.

This is utterly, irredeemably shite. I haven't got a single good word to say about it.
 
And here's Mary just to add the crowning turd.

:lol: @ "wow what an ending."

2nd episode of this season was vintage Sherlock. First was terrible. Third was an abomination. Put a fork in her she's done...
 
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