That was one of the worst things I've ever seen.Moffat and Gatiss need to be reminded occasionally that Sherlock and Doctor Who are actually different shows.
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That was one of the worst things I've ever seen.Moffat and Gatiss need to be reminded occasionally that Sherlock and Doctor Who are actually different shows.
It was a bit silly. They're more like superheroes now, they seem to be immortal.
What a load of bollocks that last 10 minutes was.
Thought it was decent up until then.
Thought it was decent up until then.
Loved John being chained to a well filling up with water, but that being okay because someone tossed a bit of rope to him.
Load of fecking guff.
Yeah that was crap. It went from a contrived and fairly boring series of puzzles, to the chance of seeing him try to simultaneously save John and remotely land a crashing plane, to a wholly rushed and unsatisfying climax, followed by some sentimental Mary nonsense. Is that it finished now or are they going to flog another dead season out of it?
If you take it at face value, it's pretty good entertainment which is the name of the game at the end of the day.
I remember the first episode of the new season also being slated on here, while it actually was perfectly passable entertainment.
Sherlock at 6/10 is still better than most of the shite out there.
Sherlock at 6/10 is still better than most of the shite out there.
I really liked it up until the last 10 minutes... Felt the ending was a bit easy, but hey ho, the did slightly over power Euros.
Oh, that glass bit was class.
Oh, that glass bit was class.
There were so many things that annoyed me. It was great for so long but went in the worst possible direction it could have.
I assumed Sherlock smashing the coffin would have some clever relevance later on but it was literally just another Sherlock meltdown.
The mentioned how the sister could control minds just by speaking to people yet she had spoken to both Sherlock and John previously... again, thought it may be relevant but it seems she could only do it was only when it suited.
The Moriaty tease was cool but there was literally no point in him being involved.
Do they think people care about Mary?
I assumed Sherlock smashing the coffin would have some clever relevance later on but it was literally just another Sherlock meltdown.
The mentioned how the sister could control minds just by speaking to people yet she had spoken to both Sherlock and John previously... again, thought it may be relevant but it seems she could only do it was only when it suited.
The Moriaty tease was cool but there was literally no point in him being involved.
Do they think people care about Mary?
They were kept alive for future Christmas specials imo.
Tonight was nonsense, surely when the boy went missing they would have combed the area looking for him especially a dangerous area such as a well?
Ill stop there, I could ask 99 more questions like that
So far up its own arse it's inside out.
Really did not enjoy that at all.
Terrible.
Terrible.
It's wanking at its own reflection at this point. "The Baker Street Boys" FOR THE SAKE OF ACTUAL FECK.
Was it?
I thought it was decent enough (apart from the stupid motion grenade thing) up until the flashback to Moriaty, and, then, from there it was just a cascade of an utterly dire plot occasionally rescued by some decent acting before being dragged back down under the weight of its own shite.
Maybe it was just me, and this is a possibility as others seem to like it well enough, but the smug, self loving 'Euros is Saw' plot did nothing for me whatsoever and each 'twist' just made it make less and less sense.
Ah, but did anyone know there wasn't any glass there?
That's when I like Sherlock the most, when they trick/surprise you with something so simple.
That's when I like Sherlock the most, when they trick/surprise you with something so simple.
That 'CGI' though...
This place is like a stroppy teenager when it comes to entertainment
Ending was a bit of a let down but it was pretty gripping TV until then, enjoyed it throughly. But then this place thought Rogue One was decent so the mind boggles
Ending was a bit of a let down but it was pretty gripping TV until then, enjoyed it throughly. But then this place thought Rogue One was decent so the mind boggles
The only thing I was gripping was the remote.
That 'CGI' though...
Yeah that was bad, I didn't know if it was intentionally bad it first.
I didn't mind the episode, I can see why people didn't like it but I found it enjoyable enough. It's nowhere near as good as it was I'd agree with that much.
Glad I'm not the only one who laughed at that.
A lot of people seem to have hated it too, so it's at best been divisive.
I found Euros incredibly tiresome and hammy as a character too. Just a collection of cliche eeeviill psycho ticks and head tilts, packaged unsubtly in a "scary" Ring homage. Yawn.
The ending was terrible, obviously, but I didn't even find the set up compelling, it was just a series of contrived, largely stand alone set pieces designed to appeal to every sub set of Sherlock fans, cynically resolved in the most predictable, undramatic way; OMG, John has to kill someone!?" (No he doesn't) "OMG, he told Molly he loves her!!" (Who cares?) OMG, Moriarty's alive!" (No he isn't) "OMG, he has to chose between Mycroft and John" (No he doesn't.)
There were the occasional snippets of good dialogue and acting, but that's the minimum I expect from it. It was ramshackle mastabatory sound and fury, signifying almost nothing.
The AV club have it largely spot on.. though I'd even quibble with the few things they liked (why is Sian Brooke so great exactly? She's a walking villain cliche complete with silly costume)
http://www.avclub.com/tvclub/frustrating-brilliant-sherlock-stays-frustrating-r-248468
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The whole ending was shambolic and wrapped up in the easiest and most unsatisfactory way imaginable.
The plane is going to crash! Never mind it's just a metaphor.
Oh no Watson is going to drown! S'ok just toss him a rope. (wait what?!?)
I also like the idea that Moriarty spent some time before his death recording all these little vignettes for later use. Reminds of the image I have from the last Bond film of Christoph Waltz's Blofeld going around an abandoned building sticking up little cardboard faces of all Bond's old nemesi (is that a word) to mess with him.
What was those last 10 minutes ?? I loved it till then, but the last 10 minutes or so ruined it for me.
It was like a mixture of Saw, The Ring and Identity rolled into one TV show.
Was it ever explained how Watson had managed to cheat death at the end of the last one? I think I missed it.
It was a tranquilliser dart.
Eckers99 said:
Cheap, misleading cliffhanger so typical of much modern tv-writing.
Does that ending mean it's done? Please let it be done.
Yeah, it's a trope I dearly hate. Like many things, I blame Damon "the answers don't really matter" Lindelof for it. As you say, it's cheap. You'd never accept the handwaved non answer we got for his roof top fall and faked death in S2, for example, if it had been presented in the same episode, so why should we accept it just because there were credits and a year inbetween?
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There are so many questions I have that could lead to a Prometheus level exercise in pulling the whole thing apart. I'm not even sure I can be bothered.
I'm actually tempted to rewatch the first 2 seasons now to see if it was really any good in the first place.
I'm actually tempted to rewatch the first 2 seasons now to see if it was really any good in the first place.
They left it open so they can return if they want would be my guess. Doubt it will be on TV in the next few years though. Cumberbatch is in some massive films and Martin Freeman is as well. Being the BBC though will prob get a Christmas Special in 10 years time or something.
I'm not sure that period pieces like the Holmes stories - and also so many Victorian ghost story adaptations - really lend themselves to modern makeovers; these stories are heavily reliant on romanticised notions of the past, and seem so drab & soulless when set in our plastic age.
I was just reading about Sherlock's characters and I have to ask...is this show a comedy, or simply the most awful, ludicrous thing ever written?:
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I thought the stories that stuck closer to the originals were by far the best.
The second bit.
What was the actual point of Moriarty being there? Felt like they had to find a way to explain that end to series 3 and this was all they could come up with. A master criminal saying tick tock.
Someone on 4chan hit the nail on the head for me with this show, they said that this is a show written by non-smart people about smart people. Non-smart people have tendency to see smart people as being like wizards rather than very resourceful.
The glass wasn't there when Sherlock visited her but then later on they put it back?
It's actually been a running theme with all the seasons. They've all ended on cliffhangers (swimming pool, rooftop, headshot/Moriarty back) and then been resolved in a wholly unsatisfactory manner. As Mockney said, the time between each new series seems to be a get out of jail free card for a lazy writer.
And that. I think when it started the way they showed him putting together a profile on someone with visual observations was quite clever but it didn't take long to realise that they didn't have any more strings to the bow so resorted to soapy drama and stock Hollywood tropes albeit with a much smaller budget (hence John's 'Stars in Their Eyes' Adobe head above).