Sherlock

I'm not sure what everyone found so complicated about it. The only thing that seemed extraneous was the "which era is the real one?" Victorian coda. The main murder mystery was solved fairly satisfyingly, and the attempt to explain it within the context of the shows continuity was fairly straight forward and could've been great if it'd stuck the landing.

Admittedly it didn't, but the problem was the failure to explain the Moriarty sub-plot rather than over complication or cleverness. Sadly it was a waste of a conceit. The "dream" plot was built up to be his way of solving the season 3 cliff hanger, so it should've done so, with both plots paralleling each other.

Instead they just replaced one vague cliffhanger for another. Which is a shame, because the idea was sound, and had promise.
 
Most of us didn't really find it complicated, just a bit shit. First hour was fine but then it just completely shat itself. It's a recurring theme with Moffat, he builds something up reasonably well and then fecks it up in the final act.
 
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Just got around to watching it and safe to say the last 30 mins was crazy as shit
 
Silva said:
Most of us didn't really find it complicated, just a bit shit. First hour was fine but then it just completely shat itself. It's a recurring theme with Moffat, he builds something up reasonably well and then fecks it up in the final act.
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Yep.
 
Silva said:
Most of us didn't really find it complicated, just a bit shit. First hour was fine but then it just completely shat itself. It's a recurring theme with Moffat, he builds something up reasonably well and then fecks it up in the final act.
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Indeed. It was a let down and didn't really achieve anything in terms of the long-term story, so therefore didn't really have a point in featuring the present day situation. They could have made a one-off 19th century Holmes without trying to shoehorn in the elements from the end of the last series and it would have worked a lot better in my opinion. They could have even kept it as a silly dream sequence if they needed to.

If you're trying to tie present day Moriarty in with an ancient mystery then at least solve the present day stuff satisfactorily and give the audience a pay-off at the end.
 
I think the episode is an example of a good idea done very, very badly. If the premise of the entire episode was to provide Sherlock with the answer to solving the S3 cliffhanger then it was done poorly imo.

Can't fault the characters, some of the dialogue was excellent and the humour on the whole was well timed. But the method of spinning the two eras together was done badly, whether than was an issue with the editing or the actual writing i'm not sure. Too many of the scenes in the final 30minutes seemed like filler to me.
 
The premise of the episode was to have a bit of fun with the characters for the christmas season. Some of you lot really overthink things. It was ace.
 
RedSky said:
I think the episode is an example of a good idea done very, very badly. If the premise of the entire episode was to provide Sherlock with the answer to solving the S3 cliffhanger then it was done poorly imo.

Can't fault the characters, some of the dialogue was excellent and the humour on the whole was well timed. But the method of spinning the two eras together was done badly, whether than was an issue with the editing or the actual writing i'm not sure. Too many of the scenes in the final 30minutes seemed like filler to me.
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I agree. Still a fun episode if you see it as a Christmas type of amusement episode. Not exactly the quality of the regular episodes mind you.
 
It's like Moffat put every idea he's ever had but had been previously vetoed into that episode.
 
Finally got round to watching it.

The first hour or so was excellent I thought... intriguing, creepy and very interesting (so much so that I knew the solution would inevitably be a bit of a let-down... which it was)... but then it pretty much fell apart in the last half hour.

Thing is, I really liked the idea... not using this just as a random one-off special, but actually tying it in to the Sherlock world we already know... and trying to at least move the story on from the S3 cliffhanger, unfortunately it just wasn't executed all that well... at all.

Still, I like the idea that

Moriarty is dead (probably) ... gets round the problem of people just being able to shoot each other in the head and not die
 
Didn't like season 3 or the Christmas special, but I'll still check this out probably.
 


Not a fan of the trailers for S4 so far. S2 trailers were the best.
 
S4 trailers look a lot more dark than previous seasons. My expectations are sky high though.
 
Looking forward to this tonight.

Recently watched all 3 seasons again & it really is a brilliant show. The last episode (xmas special) was underwhelming so I'm hoping this returns to form.
 
What time? They plaster the adverts everywhere and posts on Facebook, but make it so difficult to find the time it will be airing.
 
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What time? They plaster the adverts everywhere and posts on Facebook, but make it so difficult to find the time it will be airing.
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8:30 UK time, BBC 1
 
I feel I should care more about John and Mary, but I don't. I know they're trying to do something more character based, which is admirable, but I want to watch Sherlock solve interesting cases with cleverness, preferably without shooting anyone in the head in cold blood. That was about 20 minutes of a decent Sherlock episode, and then an hour of a rather tame spy thriller/melodrama with some characters I know.*

It was alright I suppose, for that, but, I dunno, meh.

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also for something so overwrought, the "jumping in front of the bullet cliche" followed by Watson's weird emoto-grunting made it all unintentionally quite comical
 
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Load of wank really.

About 15 minutes (if that?) of a fun, interesting Sherlock case which then got a shit ending and then turned into an overly-long self parody.

Given the last, abysmal, episode last year I think this show has just run out of ideas.

Shame.

Oh and absolutely nailed on that Mary isn't actually dead.
 
When she said "I've got a case for you. It's probably going to be your hardest yet" I was like "Oh God yes, Please!"

Then, urgh.
 
I hope the episode with Toby Jones is going to be a lot better than this one.
 
Sherlock loses his x factor when he's placed in a cartoon world.
It's like Pirates of the Caribbean when everyone became zany and Jack Sparrow lost his uniqueness.
No doubt Sherlock will meet a postman next week who turns out to be James Bond or John goes on a date with the queen of Sheba.
 
Didn't like it at all.

I don't want to know much about Sherlock's days off. Just solve cases. They've made him too human now.
 
Also I can't believe they're still rehashing the hair and wedding ring analysis like it's something we haven't seen in practically every episode before this one.
 
Should have just killed her off at the end of season 3 and saved the hassle of dedicating an entire episode to write her out of the show.
 
That was rubbish. I'm optimistic that next week's will be better, it really needs to be.
 
Go into Sherlock with very low expectations these days so didn't mind that so much.
 
Didn't think that was as bad as others are saying, but not as strong as previous seasons. If they were going to kill her, they should've done it in season 3.
 
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