Sherlock

Just got a PM from a newbie, who makes a good point...

Anustart89 said:
Just a thing regarding your point in the Sherlock thread that he could've let Mary shoot him in the first place; I'm just thinking that at that point he believed that the Appledore vaults were physical files that he had on people, so killing him wouldn't do anything to erase the stuff he had on Mary.

Hence him saying "so we've established that all the information is stored in your head and nowhere else" (or something like that) before shooting him.
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Finished watching all 3 seasons and the only thing I don't like is the mind palace shit. The other flaws or plot holes I can live with but they have taken the mind palace thing too far
 
To be fair, as exaggerated and silly as the presentation of it looks, there are actually people like that. Derren Brown memorised the entire map of London with all the street names and the whole tube system with that technique.
 
The mind palace thing is surely nicked from the Lecter novels?
Then again, the mind/memory palace concept has a long, established history so it's not really surprising that Sherlock would be aware of its usefulness.
 
I agree with Eric, the mind palace stuff is fairly plausible in that kind of memory man sort of way, and this incarnation is clearly supposed to be a bit autistic, it's the presentation that's OTT. Sherlocks sort of savanty way of surviving the gunshot wound seemed to go on for an indulgently long time for what was - in the end - not a remotely important plot. I mean, obviously Mary's reveal was, but not the actual "Sherlock being shot" thing. Especially as everyone basically forgives her, Sherlock first of all. We see him being a bit woozy for a bit, but nothing major comes of it. Watching it back it stands out as the part where the plot begins to go off the rails. It was really good up to that point, but that's where the shock factor for shock factors sake kicked in. IMO at least.
 
Why the hell would you bring Moriarty back? He was a fantastic character, but he surely died. I like him being there like in the "you're dying" scene but nothing else. I'd rather they brought Irene back, for that matter.

I think this season was weak, although I still enjoyed a few moments. I'll watch the next season, but I thought this had the potential to be brilliant (like the first 2 seasons).

I really hope Moriarty is not back and it was just some kind of deception by another villain, or something. Which would also be shit, but not as shit as Moriarty. Or not as shit as another Moriarty manging the old Morairty that wasn't Moriarty, because Scott was hell of a Moriarty.

Moriarty.
 
akash02 said:
Finished watching all 3 seasons and the only thing I don't like is the mind palace shit. The other flaws or plot holes I can live with but they have taken the mind palace thing too far
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I agree. Felt OTT for me, to.

Just caught with all 3 seasons, loved it. Cumberbatch suits the Sherlock role, and Freeman Watson's. This is a better combination than the RDJ one, definitely.

Loved all the Moriarty episodes. And they should have tried Eva Green for the Irene role.
 
Season 3 was shit tbf.
- The explanation on how Holmes susrvived was just nuts. Quite improbable to have done and maintained secrecy for that long.
- He just switches a bomb off, seriously? Lamest climax I can recollect.
- He just shoots the main villian at the end of series. If it's all mind palace and stuff, then the most obvious way to eliminate is to shoot him...and he has no protection for that. Quite a stupid oversight for a brilliant evil man.
- He commits murder and then fflies back safely in just because there was a hint of a bigger villan? So much for the laws!

+ The only real surprise I got was on Watson's girl having a background. Quite an intresting segment.

I really liked the first 2 series. Much much better than the 3rd one, imo.
 
I think it just goes to show how difficult it is to maintain a high level of writing indefinitely. That and the show's success inadvertently contributed to it's dip in Series 3 too, IMHO. The actors gained so much notoriety and were taking on such high profile projects that it was never going to be easy to focus on Sherlock. The writing and performances were so elegantly layered in those first two series that I refuse to acknowledge the 3rd one even exists due to how incredibly poor it was
 
MUFC07 said:
Why the hell would you bring Moriarty back? He was a fantastic character, but he surely died. I like him being there like in the "you're dying" scene but nothing else. I'd rather they brought Irene back, for that matter.
Moriarty.
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I think Moriarty had too much value to be killed off in a single season. He was Sherlock's traditional arch enemy and as brilliant as Holmes himself. Would not be justice, if he killed himself just to destroy Sherlock. But yes, the way they bought him back as a attempted 'cliffhanger' was just so pathetic.
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
I think Moriarty had too much value to be killed off in a single season. He was Sherlock's traditional arch enemy and as brilliant as Holmes himself. Would not be justice, if he killed himself just to destroy Sherlock. But yes, the way they bought him back as a attempted 'cliffhanger' was just so pathetic.
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Precisely. He should have been present in season three, even with Sir Alex's look-a-like there, he would have brought a lot of value into these 3 latest episodes. Should have never been killed as early... but once they had, it made even less sense to bring him back.
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
Season 3 was shit tbf.
- The explanation on how Holmes susrvived was just nuts. Quite improbable to have done and maintained secrecy for that long.
- He just switches a bomb off, seriously? Lamest climax I can recollect.
- He just shoots the main villian at the end of series. If it's all mind palace and stuff, then the most obvious way to eliminate is to shoot him...and he has no protection for that. Quite a stupid oversight for a brilliant evil man.
- He commits murder and then fflies back safely in just because there was a hint of a bigger villan? So much for the laws!

+ The only real surprise I got was on Watson's girl having a background. Quite an intresting segment.

I really liked the first 2 series. Much much better than the 3rd one, imo.
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Were we ever given a proper explanation of how he survived? All I can recall is what Sherlock told Anderson, he never actually explained to Watson or anyone of importance did he? I'm sceptical of Sherlock telling Anderson the truth, I can't see why he would. It just adds to the mystery of it all.
 
Having recently watched all 3 seasons of Luther - I would probably put that show above Sherlock in terms of overall quality - season 1 & 3 of Luther especially are cracking television.
 
I just finished Sherlock, it's the best British drama I have ever watched. I am going on to Luther now.
 
JaffyJoe said:
I just finished Sherlock, it's the best British drama I have ever watched. I am going on to Luther now.
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Finished it myself just last week, it's fantastic.

God bless Netflix because I don't think I could've stood the...

the wait after season 2's ending.
 
Shane88 said:
Finished it myself just last week, it's fantastic.

God bless Netflix because I don't think I could've stood the...

the wait after season 2's ending.
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You're talking about Sherlock ?

Once every two years is such a wait, I wish I had spaced them out more. I think Season 3 was the best so far. The first two episodes were amazing, I need to watch the final one again.
 
JaffyJoe said:
You're talking about Sherlock ?

Once every two years is such a wait, I wish I had spaced them out more. I think Season 3 was the best so far. The first two episodes were amazing, I need to watch the final one again.
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Really? I found it the worst of the three by a considerable margin.
 
JaffyJoe said:
You're talking about Sherlock ?

Once every two years is such a wait, I wish I had spaced them out more. I think Season 3 was the best so far. The first two episodes were amazing, I need to watch the final one again.
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Yeah, Sherlock.

You won't be disappointed with Luther, it's excellent. Much darker than Sherlock.
 
I didn't like season 3 as much as the first two. Not sure why exactly, but I still enjoyed it.
 
Are there any other British gems like Luther and Sherlock?
 
I felt that there was way too much fan service in Season 3. The plot in each episode wasn't on the level of the previous two seasons. The stag night scenes were a pain to watch and I sincerely hope that Moriarty isn't back. Unfortunately it's normal for series to go downhill after the first few seasons.
 
Season 1 was the best but Season 3 the worst by a considerably margin but it's still very enjoyable to watch.

I actually hope Moriarty is back. Brilliant character.
 
The thing about Sherlock is that it only has 3 episodes a season. Which is fine if you go with the "quality over quantity" logic, but the second episode of each of the first 2 seasons were pretty boring (The Blind Banker & The Hounds Of Baskerville), which makes it 2/6 episodes that I didn't enjoy at all. Haven't seen the 3rd season yet, not really interested in it, especially after I've read/heard sub-par reviews.

Also, even though I enjoyed the first episode,

I was really annoyed that Sherlock couldn't figure out it was the cab driver, not the passenger. I thought of it straight away, and was quite annoyed when that turned out to be the actual answer.
 
I enjoyed the wedding episode and his return admittedly the final episode was poor. I think i just really enjoyed the wedding episode. What is your favourite episode of Sherlock.

p.s I just finished season 1 of Luther, it picked up after the first two episodes and was a very good season.
 
Señor said:
Really? I found it the worst of the three by a considerable margin.
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I think i just really enjoyed the wedding episode. I didn't like the final one which was as bad as the hound of Baskerville. I will be watching the series again at some point though.
 
JaffyJoe said:
I think i just really enjoyed the wedding episode. I didn't like the final one which was as bad as the hound of Baskerville. I will be watching the series again at some point though.
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Yep, the wedding episode was pretty good but on the whole, I felt disappointed coming away from watching the third season after the lofty standards set by the first two. Let's hope the return of Moriarty will bring that back.
 
Señor said:
Yep, the wedding episode was pretty good but on the whole, I felt disappointed coming away from watching the third season after the lofty standards set by the first two. Let's hope the return of Moriarty will bring that back.
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Let's hope that he doesn't return at all. He was a fantastic villain but his story ended and I don't see any reason to continue it. It will be cheap, boring and unoriginal.

They can find or create a new villain. In fact, not neccesarily the show needs a villain.
 
The explanation for his survival at the end of season 2 was terrible imo. I was expecting something genuinely clever.

That kind of set the tone for the whole season, sadly.
 
Just watched the first episode. I'm falling in love with London for some weird reason.

Seems the thread is full of spoilers so I'll refrain until I've caught up.
 
Revan said:
Let's hope that he doesn't return at all. He was a fantastic villain but his story ended and I don't see any reason to continue it. It will be cheap, boring and unoriginal.

They can find or create a new villain. In fact, not neccesarily the show needs a villain.
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He probably will.
Moffat:
We always knew what we were going to do with Moriarty. This has been the game plan since the end of Series 1 when we realized we had a crack on our hands with Andrew [Scott]. This is something that the whole series has been building to. I won’t say what it is we’re doing, but we have plans. And I’m pretty bloody certain those plans will please people…

We had a whole set of specific story ideas mostly for Series 4 but reaching into Series 5, which is because Mark [Gattis] and I happened to be chatting one day and as occasionally happens, we just ducked out of the rain and into the accountant’s office. We found ourselves getting very animated about a set of ideas we could have. I think they’re the best set of ideas we’ve ever had for Sherlock. So I’m very excited about that.
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okLaptop1 said:
The thing about Sherlock is that it only has 3 episodes a season. Which is fine if you go with the "quality over quantity" logic, but the second episode of each of the first 2 seasons were pretty boring (The Blind Banker & The Hounds Of Baskerville), which makes it 2/6 episodes that I didn't enjoy at all. Haven't seen the 3rd season yet, not really interested in it, especially after I've read/heard sub-par reviews.

Also, even though I enjoyed the first episode,

I was really annoyed that Sherlock couldn't figure out it was the cab driver, not the passenger. I thought of it straight away, and was quite annoyed when that turned out to be the actual answer.
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If you like it ignore the reviews on here, it is worth watching.
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
The reviews were in comparison to S1. It's not like they are terrible or something. Worth a view, imo. As S4 may have some leads that tie to S3.
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Yeah but to me S1 and S2 aren't amazing unmissable television or anything, they were just good episodes of a good show, and I'm not fussed if I ever watch it again. So if S3 is of lesser quality then I'll catch it whenever it's on TV and I've got nothing to watch, or I'm hanging out with a mate who wants to see it, etc.
 
What is happening?

I mean

I'm so high right now... why is (this) Sherlock in the 19th Century again?
 
RedMachine03 said:
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It's almost a shame that they revealed the throwback angle in the trailer. They could have used some old footage and thrown anything together and people are going to watch this. Would have been cool to sit down to it and 30 seconds in, being like "what the hell is going on?"
 
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