Serie A 90's draft

antohan said:
Rui Costa was IMO a better and more consistently influential performer.
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To each his own but no, Rui Costa wasn't better than a peak Zinedine Zidane enjoying the best spell of his career.

antohan said:
Zidane had a setup that allowed him complete freedom in a dominant team, while Rui Costa had to adapt between being a free #10 or dropping very deep to orchestrate the transition.
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This point is absolutely rubbish and factually incorrect, particularly for Zidane's time at Juve.

As is him stepping on ADP's toes, given they were teammates for a team that dominated the league.
 
I'm with Aldo here @antohan . Indeed Rui Costa was pretty consistent but didn't reach Zidane's peak level at the time. To each of their own I guess, but if we're trying to shoehorn Rui Costa and Zidane, I'll build the side around the latter and besides I think Rui Costa would play a better sidekick role than Zizou..
 
Moby said:
To each his own but no, Rui Costa wasn't better than a peak Zinedine Zidane enjoying the best spell of his career.
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It's a tough one as he peaked around 2000, not in 1998 IMO (awards aside, those were quite clearly for team achievements as usual, not a slight on him specifically, in the same way I'd agree peak Cannavaro isn't 2006 even if that was his finest hour). But yes, you could argue in that 1998-2000 period he was at peak, it's bound to be a discussion point with several players when you arbitrarily set a specific timeframe.

This point is absolutely rubbish and factually incorrect, particularly for Zidane's time at Juve.

As is him stepping on ADP's toes, given they were teammates for a team that dominated the league.
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And, as said, had a very specific lop-sided setup with different (far more conservative) contribution from the fullbacks to the one in the teamsheet that originated this whole exchange. They dove-tailed really well in that setup. Stick an attacking fullback there and suddenly the whole beauty of it breaks up with an offensive overload and everyone running back like headless chickens when possession turns over.
 
antohan said:
the whole beauty of it breaks up with an offensive overload
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You've mistakenly mixed up on Zidane being a left winger.

'Zidane will come in the way of an attacking fullback'. Sensational entertainment on here. Well in line with the which side your CMs on unbearable argument.

Bit harsh, but it's what that kind of an opinion deserves.
 
harms said:
By the way, there is a good thread on Zidane's time in Serie A, with la stampa's ratings of each game for the whole team, with the focus on Zidane, obviously:
http://www.bigsoccer.com/threads/zinedine-zidane-review-1996-2006.2006080/
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Nice!

To be honest, that's not fair on Zidane as it covers 1996-1998 which was absolutely not his peak. I just read two pages. The first chronicles the difficulties adapting, difficulties gelling with ADP (who would have thunk it), tiredness, too many games, yellows and reds... The one before last still shows his mercurial nature.

Would have been interesting if they completed the exercise, but the key part (98-00) is missing.
 
Moby said:
You've mistakenly mixed up on Zidane being a left winger.

'Zidane will come in the way of an attacking fullback'. Sensational entertainment on here. Well in line with the which side your CMs on unbearable argument.

Bit harsh, but it's what that kind of an opinion deserves.
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No, with him and Del Piero working those centre to left channels beautifully while not having to worry about covering a fullback who's left his back exposed. Complete freedom to be expansive and none of this defensive responsibility shite.

Different things.
 
antohan said:
No, with him and Del Piero working those centre to left channels beautifully and not having to worry about covering a fullback who's left his back exposed.

Different things.
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Inside left channels, which isn't a given for either of them for entire 90 minutes. Like I said this is well in like with the usual CM argument where they'd suddenly transform into chickens by being a central player who dared play through the middle.

Meanwhile what actually happens when Zidane plays with an attacking fullback


Stop spouting the amount of bias you are right now by reducing Zidane to a 2-bit neat and tidy wide player and ignoring the tons of evidence where he carved teams apart by playing right at the heart of the game. 'Independent of me having Rui Costa' still the best bit so far.
 
antohan said:
Nice!

To be honest, that's not fair on Zidane as it covers 1996-1998 which was absolutely not his peak. I just read two pages. The first chronicles the difficulties adapting, difficulties gelling with ADP (who would have thunk it), tiredness, too many games, yellows and reds... The one before last still shows his mercurial nature.

Would have been interesting if they completed the exercise, but the key part (98-00) is missing.
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Yeah, it was supposed to be the whole Juve-Madrid period but I guess he got bored :(
 
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  1. EAP - 1. M. van Basten 2. R. Donadoni 3. M. Tassotti
  2. Onenil - 1. R. Baggio 2. A. Costacurta 3. D. Baggio
  3. harms 1. L. Ronaldo 2. C. Ferrara 3. P. Montero
  4. Moby/Pat Mustard 1. G. Batistuta 2. F. Cannavaro 3. R.Mancini
  5. MJJ/Sjor 1. A. Del Piero 2. J. Veron
  6. 2mufc0/Invictus 1. Z. Zidane 2. P. Vierchowod
  7. Lord Sinister 1. P. Maldini 2. G. Signori
  8. Gio 1. F. Baresi 2. G. Weah
  9. Enigma/The Red Viper 1. L. Matthäus 2. G. Bergomi
  10. idmanager 1. F. Rijkaard 2. E. Davids
  11. antohan 1. R. Costa 2. J. Kohler
  12. prath92/Crappy 1. P. Nedved 2. C. Vieri
  13. Tuppet 1. R. Gullit 2. A. Brehme
  14. Cal? 1. M. Desailly 2. F. Totti
  15. Oaencha 1. A. Nesta 2. J. Zanetti
  16. Raees 1. Cafu 2. L. Thuram
@MJJ @Šjor Bepo
 
Moby said:
Inside left channels, which isn't a given for either of them for entire 90 minutes. Like I said this is well in like with the usual CM argument where they'd suddenly transform into chickens by being a central player who dared play through the middle.
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Of course they will roam. The point is I prefer Zidane in that lop-sided setup starting from central midfield than the tip of a diamond with flying fullbacks because it gives him MORE room and freedom to do his (excellent) work.

Meanwhile what actually happens when Zidane plays with an attacking fullback
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That's at Real Madrid, different times, different setup. Where did I say he can't take advantage of an attacking fullback's play?

Stop spouting the amount of bias you are right now by reducing Zidane to a 2-bit neat and tidy wide player and ignoring the tons of evidence where he carved teams apart by playing right at the heart of the game. 'Independent of me having Rui Costa' still the best bit so far.
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You must be the only person on here who is reading that into my posts. As per usual.

If you have Zidane you want him as the fulcrum for your side and in that setup he looked more a pretty name to add than him at his very best.
 
Can't leave picks with someone too with 5 managers in between and the small pool. Hope this catches up in the next hour.
 
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  1. EAP - 1. M. van Basten 2. R. Donadoni 3. M. Tassotti
  2. Onenil - 1. R. Baggio 2. A. Costacurta 3. D. Baggio
  3. harms 1. L. Ronaldo 2. C. Ferrara 3. P. Montero
  4. Moby/Pat Mustard 1. G. Batistuta 2. F. Cannavaro 3. R.Mancini
  5. MJJ/Sjor 1. A. Del Piero 2. J. Veron 3. Aldair
  6. 2mufc0/Invictus 1. Z. Zidane 2. P. Vierchowod
  7. Lord Sinister 1. P. Maldini 2. G. Signori
  8. Gio 1. F. Baresi 2. G. Weah
  9. Enigma/The Red Viper 1. L. Matthäus 2. G. Bergomi
  10. idmanager 1. F. Rijkaard 2. E. Davids
  11. antohan 1. R. Costa 2. J. Kohler
  12. prath92/Crappy 1. P. Nedved 2. C. Vieri
  13. Tuppet 1. R. Gullit 2. A. Brehme
  14. Cal? 1. M. Desailly 2. F. Totti
  15. Oaencha 1. A. Nesta 2. J. Zanetti
  16. Raees 1. Cafu 2. L. Thuram
@2mufc0 @Invictus
 
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  1. EAP - 1. M. van Basten 2. R. Donadoni 3. M. Tassotti
  2. Onenil - 1. R. Baggio 2. A. Costacurta 3. D. Baggio
  3. harms 1. L. Ronaldo 2. C. Ferrara 3. P. Montero
  4. Moby/Pat Mustard 1. G. Batistuta 2. F. Cannavaro 3. R.Mancini
  5. MJJ/Sjor 1. A. Del Piero 2. J. Veron 3. Aldair
  6. 2mufc0/Invictus 1. Z. Zidane 2. P. Vierchowod 3. Z. Boban
  7. Lord Sinister 1. P. Maldini 2. G. Signori
  8. Gio 1. F. Baresi 2. G. Weah
  9. Enigma/The Red Viper 1. L. Matthäus 2. G. Bergomi
  10. idmanager 1. F. Rijkaard 2. E. Davids
  11. antohan 1. R. Costa 2. J. Kohler
  12. prath92/Crappy 1. P. Nedved 2. C. Vieri
  13. Tuppet 1. R. Gullit 2. A. Brehme
  14. Cal? 1. M. Desailly 2. F. Totti
  15. Oaencha 1. A. Nesta 2. J. Zanetti
  16. Raees 1. Cafu 2. L. Thuram
@Lord SInister
 
MJJ said:
Oh ffs, was hoping he would last for a while.
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In this pool I figured no chance he would last and I reckon with these rules limits he is the perfect complement for the Divine one in this draft.

Also I can prevent a Cesare Maldini/Lorenzo Buffon scenario so I am doing public service ;)
 
  1. EAP - 1. M. van Basten 2. R. Donadoni 3. M. Tassotti
  2. Onenil - 1. R. Baggio 2. A. Costacurta 3. D. Baggio
  3. harms 1. L. Ronaldo 2. C. Ferrara 3. P. Montero
  4. Moby/Pat Mustard 1. G. Batistuta 2. F. Cannavaro 3. R.Mancini
  5. MJJ/Sjor 1. A. Del Piero 2. J. Veron 3. Aldair
  6. 2mufc0/Invictus 1. Z. Zidane 2. P. Vierchowod 3. Z. Boban
  7. Lord Sinister 1. P. Maldini 2. G. Signori 3. A. Winter
  8. Gio 1. F. Baresi 2. G. Weah
  9. Enigma/The Red Viper 1. L. Matthäus 2. G. Bergomi
  10. idmanager 1. F. Rijkaard 2. E. Davids
  11. antohan 1. R. Costa 2. J. Kohler
  12. prath92/Crappy 1. P. Nedved 2. C. Vieri
  13. Tuppet 1. R. Gullit 2. A. Brehme
  14. Cal? 1. M. Desailly 2. F. Totti
  15. Oaencha 1. A. Nesta 2. J. Zanetti
  16. Raees 1. Cafu 2. L. Thuram
 
  1. EAP - 1. M. van Basten 2. R. Donadoni 3. M. Tassotti
  2. Onenil - 1. R. Baggio 2. A. Costacurta 3. D. Baggio
  3. harms 1. L. Ronaldo 2. C. Ferrara 3. P. Montero
  4. Moby/Pat Mustard 1. G. Batistuta 2. F. Cannavaro 3. R. Mancini
  5. MJJ/Sjor 1. A. Del Piero 2. J. Veron 3. Aldair
  6. 2mufc0/Invictus 1. Z. Zidane 2. P. Vierchowod 3. Z. Boban
  7. Lord Sinister 1. P. Maldini 2. G. Signori 3. A. Winter
  8. Gio 1. F. Baresi 2. G. Weah 3. D. Deschamps
  9. Enigma/The Red Viper 1. L. Matthäus 2. G. Bergomi
  10. idmanager 1. F. Rijkaard 2. E. Davids
  11. antohan 1. R. Costa 2. J. Kohler
  12. prath92/Crappy 1. P. Nedved 2. C. Vieri
  13. Tuppet 1. R. Gullit 2. A. Brehme
  14. Cal? 1. M. Desailly 2. F. Totti
  15. Oaencha 1. A. Nesta 2. J. Zanetti
  16. Raees 1. Cafu 2. L. Thuram
 
Interesting that both Baggio and Winter were picked ahead of Deschamps. Gio's spine, fecking hell!
 
  1. EAP - 1. M. van Basten 2. R. Donadoni 3. M. Tassotti
  2. Onenil - 1. R. Baggio 2. A. Costacurta 3. D. Baggio
  3. harms 1. L. Ronaldo 2. C. Ferrara 3. P. Montero
  4. Moby/Pat Mustard 1. G. Batistuta 2. F. Cannavaro 3. R. Mancini
  5. MJJ/Sjor 1. A. Del Piero 2. J. Veron 3. Aldair
  6. 2mufc0/Invictus 1. Z. Zidane 2. P. Vierchowod 3. Z. Boban
  7. Lord Sinister 1. P. Maldini 2. G. Signori 3. A. Winter
  8. Gio 1. F. Baresi 2. G. Weah 3. D. Deschamps
  9. Enigma/The Red Viper 1. L. Matthäus 2. G. Bergomi 3. G. Vialli
  10. idmanager 1. F. Rijkaard 2. E. Davids
  11. antohan 1. R. Costa 2. J. Kohler
  12. prath92/Crappy 1. P. Nedved 2. C. Vieri
  13. Tuppet 1. R. Gullit 2. A. Brehme
  14. Cal? 1. M. Desailly 2. F. Totti
  15. Oaencha 1. A. Nesta 2. J. Zanetti
  16. Raees 1. Cafu 2. L. Thuram
@idmanager
 
  1. EAP - 1. M. van Basten 2. R. Donadoni 3. M. Tassotti
  2. Onenil - 1. R. Baggio 2. A. Costacurta 3. D. Baggio
  3. harms 1. L. Ronaldo 2. C. Ferrara 3. P. Montero
  4. Moby/Pat Mustard 1. G. Batistuta 2. F. Cannavaro 3. R. Mancini
  5. MJJ/Sjor 1. A. Del Piero 2. J. Veron 3. Aldair
  6. 2mufc0/Invictus 1. Z. Zidane 2. P. Vierchowod 3. Z. Boban
  7. Lord Sinister 1. P. Maldini 2. G. Signori 3. A. Winter
  8. Gio 1. F. Baresi 2. G. Weah 3. D. Deschamps
  9. Enigma/The Red Viper 1. L. Matthäus 2. G. Bergomi 3. G. Vialli
  10. idmanager 1. F. Rijkaard 2. E. Davids 3. H. Crespo
  11. antohan 1. R. Costa 2. J. Kohler
  12. prath92/Crappy 1. P. Nedved 2. C. Vieri
  13. Tuppet 1. R. Gullit 2. A. Brehme
  14. Cal? 1. M. Desailly 2. F. Totti
  15. Oaencha 1. A. Nesta 2. J. Zanetti
  16. Raees 1. Cafu 2. L. Thuram
@antohan
 
Refreshing draft. The last rounds will be interesting.
 
The Red Viper said:
Good pick, idmanager.

Was between Vialli and Crespo for us!
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More or less a forced pick considering he is one of the last few top scorers in 90's Serie A left.
I wanted Crespo ahead of Vialli anyways, so works out for the best for the both of us :)
 
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Thought Crespo would go earlier, great pick.
 
Ecstatic said:
Refreshing draft. The last rounds will be interesting.
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The quality will fall off a cliff come round 6 IMO.

With 14 players to be picked for each team, we'd really be scraping the barrel in the last rounds. :lol:

There are 224 players to be picked for a 10 season timeframe so it's a challenging draft but definitely interesting one.
 
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