Yes you can read, give yourself a biscuit.
I think you are making a total meal of this. Let me put it another way, I think Ed buys players nobody wants unless the alternative is to buy no players at all. There.
If that sounds harsh, boo hoo, I’m sure he can take it.
Why is this thread so active?
we were offered him, we didn’t want him. End of story. If we wanted him, he’d have signed by now.
Exactly.
And people are "so disappointed" by that.
Come on. None of you muppets even cared about him until 3 weeks back when the first post on this thread was made and now he is a must-have.
Oh yes, and one more thing, who says our targets are unattainable? Ed? Look at how Chelsea do business, wambam thank you ma’am. No messing. Mou never had any problem getting top, top players with Roman.
And No I’m not defending Mou, I’m having a pop at Ed.
Was Maguire really unattainable? No, we bought him later when Ed pulled his socks up.
This is fascinating. I’m not even disagreeing with that, although I would not take Mr Bilic or Mr Woodward as gospel.You can think whatever you want or being sucked in by some unknown journalist who spout non-sense. What you think is just mere of opinion.
The reality is that manager has the final say for every signings. Ed has said this and Slaven Bilic also mentioned it what happened during his time at West Ham in BT Sport pundit.
Chuckle. I am criticising the recruitment over the past several years. I got no clue how it works I only know that it hasn’t been very good. Utd should employ an expert like your good self to explain it to them, I’m not sure it would improve but it can’t get much worse.You sound like a broken toy.
How is Chelsea's signings have anything to do with LVG wanted unattainable signings like Sergio Ramos, Thomas Muller, Neymar & Mou's target 55m on 28 years old Perisic. What about Di Maria, Schneiderlin, Memphis, Blind, Darmian, Lukaku, Matic, Sanchez??
You got no clue how it works mate. The reason why Ed didn't let him spend the money on Maguire because he already signed 2 centre backs and he had tons of centre back in his squad. Ole signed a right back Bissaka last season, do you expect the club just let Ole to spend bigger money on another right back this year?? Of course not! That's stupid.
The recruitment has to be better. We have to get the Sancho’s of this world if we want to have any chance. And don’t tell me Sancho is unattainable, although I’m sure that’s what Ed will say, we’ll end up with a B list winger and Ed will say “manager has final say”. It’s just not a helpful way of describing the situation. Ed needs to find a way of getting these deals done. Send a spy to Chelsea if we have to because they’re doing something right.
I know we all get onto Ed Woodward, me included but we cannot ignore the fact that it has been better.
AWB, Bruno, Maguire, VDB.
These are players we have scouted and targeted then bought. Chelsea's approach is not the same, Werner had his heart set on Liverpool until they couldn't afford him, Havertz wanted Real move until they couldn't afford him. Chilwel, Chelsea was the only club for him, Thiago Silva would have gone to any top club that paid him.
If we get Sancho, VDB, LB, I would argue our summer is better.
This is fascinating. I’m not even disagreeing with that, although I would not take Mr Bilic or Mr Woodward as gospel.
I am saying that if the manager doesn’t get who he really wants he will have to take what he can get.
Now this is true of all managers. They must accept what they are given and must work with it. The point is that it comes down to the club’s ability to bring in the top targets. It’s no good to just say “I couldn’t get you Maguire, here’s Fred” and then defend that by saying “manager has final say”. It’s just hot air.
The recruitment has to be better. We have to get the Sancho’s of this world if we want to have any chance. And don’t tell me Sancho is unattainable, although I’m sure that’s what Ed will say, we’ll end up with a B list winger and Ed will say “manager has final say”. It’s just not a helpful way of describing the situation. Ed needs to find a way of getting these deals done. Send a spy to Chelsea if we have to because they’re doing something right.
Yes it has been much better recently.I know we all get onto Ed Woodward, me included but we cannot ignore the fact that it has been better.
AWB, Bruno, Maguire, VDB.
These are players we have scouted and targeted then bought. Chelsea's approach is not the same, Werner had his heart set on Liverpool until they couldn't afford him, Havertz wanted Real move until they couldn't afford him. Chilwel, Chelsea was the only club for him, Thiago Silva would have gone to any top club that paid him.
If we get Sancho, VDB, LB, I would argue our summer is better.
Chuckle. I am criticising the recruitment over the past several years. I got no clue how it works I only know that it hasn’t been very good. Utd should employ an expert like your good self to explain it to them, I’m not sure it would improve but it can’t get much worse.
Exactly.
And people are "so disappointed" by that.
Come on. None of you muppets even cared about him until 3 weeks back when the first post on this thread was made and now he is a must-have.
A proper manager needs to know and in control what they are buying. You don't spend money on 2 centre back already and then you ask the club again to splash another money on centre back. That gives big question mark, what the feck you were signing before. The board has the right thing to tell the manager no you can't just splash money on the same position every season. Fred was Mourinho's signing simply because he also wanted midfielder, don't use it as an excuse of why we didn't sign Maguire.
The benefit with Reguilon was that his price was already roughly 20m, for a player that would compete with and (due to fitness) surpass Shaw as a starter, providing a lot of what we don't currently have. It's a situation where, similar to our attack, if we don't sign someone, it is harmful to what we already have because of fitness reasons but also competitive reasons. So the sooner we wrap it up the better. Clubs that leave all their transfer activity for later in the window just means they were less prepared for it.Exactly this. In all honesty, majority of us fans didnt know about him until he was linked to Chelsea first and saw him in the Europa league.
We needs a LB but I don't mind waiting for another week or so, see who we can sell, see if there is other cheaper options. This is where we can say, we will not pay over the odds, walk away and sign another LB.
Madrid just trying to drum up a sale. Looks like they’re having to drop a level now.
No offence.
I think the selling clubs are also doing the delaying to see how much they can squeeze out. It is a matter of who blinks first.The benefit with Reguilon was that his price was already roughly 20m, for a player that would compete with and (due to fitness) surpass Shaw as a starter, providing a lot of what we don't currently have. It's a situation where, similar to our attack, if we don't sign someone, it is harmful to what we already have because of fitness reasons but also competitive reasons. So the sooner we wrap it up the better. Clubs that leave all their transfer activity for later in the window just means they were less prepared for it.
Probably because people aren't satisfied with having just 1 recognised left-back whose entire United career has been underwhelming to say the least.Exactly.
And people are "so disappointed" by that.
Come on. None of you muppets even cared about him until 3 weeks back when the first post on this thread was made and now he is a must-have.
Probably because people aren't satisfied with having just 1 recognised left-back whose entire United career has been underwhelming to say the least.
Cheers, pal.Yeah you are spot on
Cheers, pal.
I agree. Personally, I would prefer Reguilón as he's younger but I'm fed up with transfer sagas so either would do, really. Wish we would hurry up.I just want us to sign some LB cover,obviously would like it to be Reguilon/Telles but if not surely we can pick a decent one up somewhere.
I agree. Personally, I would prefer Reguilón as he's younger but I'm fed up with transfer sagas so either would do, really. Wish we would hurry up.
Probably because people aren't satisfied with having just 1 recognised left-back whose entire United career has been underwhelming to say the least.
You’re probably right. We disagree about many things, it seems, but I do agree our managers have to take some blame.
I really don’t like what’s happened to this club under Ed. But I do agree with anyone who says things are improving because our last few signings have been good. And I do give some credit to Ed et al in that regard.
I don’t agree with sending the heavies round to his house by the way, that was a bit too much.
We don’t want him because, A) our “scouts” have probably never even heard of him, & 2 our priorities are Sancho & maybe a centre back.
We’re not, nor have we ever been, in for a left back.
Thanks for the update Ole. Based on what exactly? I reckon the priorities are RW, LB and a CB. In that order.
I never say it's entirely down to manager. Stop making things up, getting sick with your non-sense.
I was arguing on your statement that Ed signed players that nobody wanted. Which clearly not the case because every signings that we made for first team, manager always have the final say on it.
The priority is RW. Anything else is unlikely.Thanks for the update Ole. Based on what exactly? I reckon the priorities are RW, LB and a CB. In that order.
The priority is RW. Anything else is unlikely.
The significant new contract for Williams ruled out a LB in my view. Matic contract and De Beek signing says we were never in for Thiago. We've got too many CBs to be buying another despite most being next to useless.
Our transfers are pretty predictable by now it's easy to see though the weakest rumours.
I'm sure he knows it's not ideal but there isn't an endless pot of cash. Maybe very late in the window if there's a bargain to be had.Why on earth can Ole not see that Brandon is just not suited to playing at LB because he is right footed, yes I agree CB should be the next priority after RW but I think it's very safe to say that Upamecano is the top target for next summer but whether we beat Bayern to him or not remains to be seen.
I'm sure he knows it's not ideal but there isn't an endless pot of cash. Maybe very late in the window if there's a bargain to be had.
I can't say if it's "Reguilón or nothing". Plus it doesn't surprise me one bit if our scouts overlooked him before seeing him up close against us. And to be fair, we don't usually leak interest about wing-backs over the course of months like we would for a forward or even a midfielder. Part of that could be simply that Ole thought we could get by but since the restart has realised that Williams isn't suitable competition for Shaw at LB.And how does that translate into Reguilon or nothing, when no one even talked about him 3 weeks back?
I thought I was being reasonable. I said you’re probably right. You said the manager takes responsibility for every signing, didn’t you? I said ok.
You argued passionately and I am reconsidering my opinion about Ed and the money men. May yet put them back on the Xmas card list.
Yes. Look, I just want to bash Ed from time to time because I find our lack of transfer success frustrating. I’ve always thought Ed was somewhat to blame.You're not reading mate. You said about I believes recruitment is ''entirely down'' to the manager when clearly that's not what I said, which my last post meant to correcting your false claim.
The priority is RW. Anything else is unlikely.
The significant new contract for Williams ruled out a LB in my view. Matic contract and De Beek signing says we were never in for Thiago. We've got too many CBs to be buying another despite most being next to useless.
Yes. Look, I just want to bash Ed from time to time because I find our lack of transfer success frustrating. I’ve always thought Ed was somewhat to blame.
Now, my honest understanding was that you were saying Ed was blameless as you said the manager takes responsibility for every signing. That’s what I thought you meant. I’m not trying to misquote you. I just found it interesting that you think the manager takes all the responsibility and not Ed. As I said, I’m thinking about that. I’m so used to being annoyed by Ed that it will take me time to adjust.
I repeat, I’m not trying to besmirch your reputation or anything.
Sancho and Regulion this summer, Upamecano and a DM next summer and the team is arguably complete, with a first 11 capable of competing with the best and adequate squad depth. Will it happen though
