ShinjiNinja26
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I don’t know how he’ll take to Conte, should be interesting.
Rating him as a defender.
As a score of important goals I acknowledge he has a nice streak going but there's way more to a player than that.
He's having a bad streak. I'm sure he will not disappoint Conte.
An authoritative figure may be good for him to relax a bit and focus on football.
Has Real ever been known for their amazing defense? They just outscored their opponents didnt they? I won't deny part of me doesnt rate Ramos because he's a cnut, but as a defender I think he has no business being called one of the best in the world. Top 15? sure, top 3? Hell no.
If anyone deserves a thread bump for being in horrible form it's Varane, not Ramos.
No offense, but post-SAF, you haven't been really far from that with signings or results, relative to the club's pedigree and stature.had we done that mega deal this summer and he played like this we'd have been the biggest laughing stock in world football.
No offense, but post-SAF, you haven't been really far from that with signings or results, relative to the club's pedigree and stature.
Ramos is a wonderful footballer, a great leader, and has come up with some big goals for Real Madrid over the years. There's only one problem. He's a horrible defender. Probably one of the most overrated defenders to ever play the game. Constantly caught out of position and overly agressive/dirty. I've always thought he should be a DM. He has the ability to play in midfield and then when he does get forward it wouldn't hurt his team as much as it does when he's in central defense...
Pretty muchIf anyone deserves a thread bump for being in horrible form it's Varane, not Ramos.
They relied heavily on their defence in last year's Champions League run. A few games the rest of the team were posted missing for an hour and it required exceptional defending from Ramos and Varane to hold the fort long enough for one of their attackers or Modric to get them back into the game.Has Real ever been known for their amazing defense? They just outscored their opponents didnt they? I won't deny part of me doesnt rate Ramos because he's a cnut, but as a defender I think he has no business being called one of the best in the world. Top 15? sure, top 3? Hell no.
He's an awful leader. He's the equivalent of that weird person that puts motivational posters in facebook, but with serious face, wearing expensive clothes and saying it to journalists that are on his pocket, his leadership lacks a lot of things most natural leaders have.
Last example, Casemiro says yesterday on the pitch that "Real Madrid were horrible", Ramos gets asked about that and says that "That wasn't the moment to say that, now it's the moment for autocriticism". As far as I know Casemiro wears a Real Madrid shirt, so he was criticizing himself too. But Ramos is the kind of person that wants to leave the pitch making you think he feels awful for his performance and won't sleep that night.
He's not that person, he just wants to be the Queen bee and anyone who dances to his song will have his simpathy, but that's not leadership as there's 22 men he has to lead in that locker room, not just 4 or 6 of his pals. What he did to Casemiro yesterday, Reguilon days ago or other things like taking the penalties and fouls when his forwards need to build up confidence to try to fill Ronaldo's shoes are the opposite of what a leader would do.
Think it's case of considering the whole package - is he as good in the air as peak Terry? Tactically strong as Maldinni? Composed as Rio? He's arguably not but all round, he's an 8/10 at everything which makes him a very complete player. Sure, he can be too aggressive but part of that is what makes him a great CB.
That’s not really fair.
Player power at Madrid is huge, he had a big role in that department and they won 4 of 5 Champions Leagues by being one of the strongest teams I’ve seen mentally.
That team had a lot of personality and you can’t be like that without great leaders. Being a leader isn’t about being nice to everybody, he’s earned the power he has in that dressing room.
Nothing wrong with the comments he made on Casemiro or the Reguilon thing, that happens.
He's an awful leader. He's the equivalent of that weird person that puts motivational posters in facebook, but with serious face, wearing expensive clothes and saying it to journalists that are on his pocket, his leadership lacks a lot of things most natural leaders have.
Last example, Casemiro says yesterday on the pitch that "Real Madrid were horrible", Ramos gets asked about that and says that "That wasn't the moment to say that, now it's the moment for autocriticism". As far as I know Casemiro wears a Real Madrid shirt, so he was criticizing himself too. But Ramos is the kind of person that wants to leave the pitch making you think he feels awful for his performance and won't sleep that night.
He's not that person, he just wants to be the Queen bee and anyone who dances to his song will have his simpathy, but that's not leadership as there's 22 men he has to lead in that locker room, not just 4 or 6 of his pals. What he did to Casemiro yesterday, Reguilon days ago or other things like taking the penalties and fouls when his forwards need to build up confidence to try to fill Ronaldo's shoes are the opposite of what a leader would do.
I try not to post in this thread nowadays since I probably sound like a broken record on this issue. Plus a lot of sensible posters disagree with me on this, which makes me pause and reconsider sometimes.
But you quoted my post from June. So.
He is not an 8/10 at everything. That narrative does not jive with Real Madrid's defensive record this season, or any of their seasons going back a few years, when he was supposedly the best defender in the world.
La Liga goals conceded by Madrid
2017-18: 44 (!!!)
2016-17: 41
2015-16: 34
2014-15: 38
2013-14: 38
CL goals conceded by Madrid
2017-18: 16
2016-17: 18
2015-16: 6 (I had to double check this to make sure it wasn't a typo! They faced PSG, Shakhtar Donetsk and Malmo in the GS, and Roma, Wolfsburg, Manchester City and Atletico in the knockout round. Fair enough for this season)
2014-15: 9
2013-14: 10
And no, he is not the only defender in history to play in an attacking side, so that is not an excuse.
But this is what happens when people use trophy count to rate players.
Genuinely didn't realize it was June lol, thought was from other day!
On your above post, you're suggesting that Ramos alone is responsible for RM's defensive record? I don't really like him as a player but would say, being fair and unbiased, he's probably the most complete CB from the last ~5yrs.
What happened?What he did to Casemiro yesterday
Genuinely didn't realize it was June lol, thought was from other day!
On your above post, you're suggesting that Ramos alone is responsible for RM's defensive record? I don't really like him as a player but would say, being fair and unbiased, he's probably the most complete CB from the last ~5yrs.
Looking at goals conceded to judge defenders, what's next? Judging GKs by GC? The stupid Zamora award?
Looking at goals conceded to judge defenders, what's next? Judging GKs by GC? The stupid Zamora award?
I do agree somewhat. They don't get many clean sheets, however is that because they are bad defenders or because of the style they choose to play. Part of the reason why Madrid were so successful is because how that back line can get forward, put pressure and contribute in the offense. That of course comes with giving chances the other way. It's difficult for defenders to look great when everybody is going forward without much defensive awareness. Individually are they truly great defenders, probably not..but they also look a lot worse because of the tactics they choose to play.It's obvious that judging defenders by how many goals the team concedes doesn't always make sense but it's also true that Real Madrid defenders defending like crap and getting no criticism for it because of 'the system' is nonsense.
If you ask people what's the best backline in football for the past few years, many would say Carvajal-Varane-Ramos-Marcelo... despite it being almost a miracle for them to get a clean sheet.
That's gotta be the state in which you posted your previous one.
You defend as a team, not singling out one GK or one CB... if we were to put a prime Baresi in Ramos' place in the current state of team, it wouldn't change anything, maybe one less conceded goal here, and vice versa, put Ramos or Varane in Atleti, and they'd hardly change... you can never compare GC or even GS to directly compare CBs or AMs or CFs between different teams. JL plays with a ridiculously high back line with no cover for CBs, it's destined to be failed, no matter the players, but as Gio pointed out, you can find many games where it were Ramos/Varane that saved the team in the biggest of games, or in Marcelo's case, turning the game on it's head.It's obvious that judging defenders by how many goals the team concedes doesn't always make sense but it's also true that Real Madrid defenders defending like crap and getting no criticism for it because of 'the system' is nonsense.
If you ask people what's the best backline in football for the past few years, many would say Carvajal-Varane-Ramos-Marcelo... despite it being almost a miracle for them to get a clean sheet.
That's gotta be the state in which you posted your previous one.
You defend as a team, not singling out one GK or one CB... if we were to put a prime Baresi in Ramos' place in the current state of team, it wouldn't change anything, maybe one less conceded goal here, and vice versa, put Ramos or Varane in Atleti, and they'd hardly change... you can never compare GC or even GS to directly compare CBs or AMs or CFs between different teams.
The more you get exposed with no cover, the higher the chances of failing... it's natural to see more mistakes done by Cannavaro in a RM shirt than in Juve/Italy where the team has different priorities. Same case for every defender ever.I don't criticize them for the number of goals they concede, I criticize them for often being terrible at defending. The system being harder for them does not in any way make them immune to criticism.
Ramos is a wonderful footballer, a great leader, and has come up with some big goals for Real Madrid over the years. There's only one problem. He's a horrible defender. Probably one of the most overrated defenders to ever play the game. Constantly caught out of position and overly agressive/dirty. I've always thought he should be a DM. He has the ability to play in midfield and then when he does get forward it wouldn't hurt his team as much as it does when he's in central defense...
Well if he is a horrible defender why don't we sign him.
If anyone deserves a thread bump for being in horrible form it's Varane, not Ramos.