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Sergio Ramos | Signs new 5 year contract
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Resigning confirmed? Or?
Nothing confirmed, but it's bad news so that's official enough.
I never ever expected him to come to us. People can say he used us to get a new contract, which might be true. But the fact that we used him to delay De Gea going (hopefully a year) will be a bonus. I would not be surprised if he got a huge bump out of it which is what Real wouldnt have wanted to do (he would have been 31 when his contract expired, right, so they would have probably sold him then and saved a bit of money).
Apparently we've no interest in him.
How did we use him to delay exactly? We could just say no to ddg sale without ramos being in the mix.
On the up-side, Woodward forced Perez to commit €85M (!) to the extension of a 29 year old central defender. Not bad when we keep the long game in mind.
It was always a long shot, the important thing is to keep our word and don't let DDG go.
Flipping negotiations and focus. Whatever his intentions were from the outset, the thought for Madrid wanted to leave, meant we could use that in our negotiations over Ramos and put pressure on them, which occupies them to shift focus.
Thats of course given we dont sell DDG for anything less than a world record fee.
Let me explain. "No value in the market," and also Madrid have their annual dick swinging contest with Barca over who can sign the bigger name
We could just take that stance on ddg anyway. Not seeing your point at all.
We got used, not the other way round. Ballbag was right from the off, and hunter was used like feck to pressure real.
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They've had us by the balls since day one. Ramos was never coming here. They're in a win-win situation with De Gea.
Hm. I'm not so sure about that, actually. It seems to depend on one, crucial factor which remains unknown to us: To what extent DDG is prepared to honour his contract 100% and give us one, final season playing as well as he can.
The Ramos thing appears to me to have been a sound enough move on our part, if it was what it looked like: Sell us the cnut (whom we could use) if you want to buy Dave. No Ramos, no Dave deal.
That's not a fool's move.
If Dave is forced to stay on, we gain (if the premise above is true) a top keeper for one season. We lose money, but who really cares about that? I doubt Woody does, given the amount we'd realistically get.
Unless it turns out that we have to - for unknown reasons - give in and sell them DDG for said realistic amount, I don't see how this is a win-win for Real. By the looks of it, it's perfectly possible for us to simply tell them to feck off. Which we should - needless to say.
LVG's recent comments could be seen in the above light too. He gets some sort of replacement in (he clearly rates Romero, whether the Caf does or not) who won't sulk too badly if it turns out that DDG stays - and the whole thing depends on whether we get what we want from Real (i.e. a top class player we can use).
Under the circumstances, it's not an insane play on our part.
I don't think you understand the situation
Agree with this but with LvG been a stickler for focus and needing 100% at all times, I do wonder if we'll end up flogging DDG.
It all depends on how strong our resolve is , and how much we don't want to lose face if RM insist on bidding low, unlikely I know but maybe a season in the stands awaits our Dave if we won't sell, and LVG thinks his mind isn't on the job.
Well, my reasoning is based on the (not unreasonable) assumption that Dave is a professional who will be fine (enough) with just playing out his contract. If that holds true, LVG won't have a proper reason to drop him - and everybody's happy (relatively speaking).
But, yes - LVG being who he is, there's a chance he'll opt for the crazy option rather than the obvious one. I don't think this is likely, though.
No not likely I agree, but you just don't know how DDG's form will be affected, he may have the best intentions if he doesn't get his move but a lot of focus will be on him, and as the season drags on the fans will put more and more pressure on him to stay, may all get a bit much for him at some point and his form may suffer.
It's all a bit of mess tbh, no one wants a player that doesn't want to be here, but we can't let Madrid win this one, and Woody knows it, interesting to see how it plays out.
Some wonky reasoning on display here.
We always had the option of keeping De Gea for another year. Asking for other players to be included in the deal, and being rejected, in no way affected that. It was only a good strategy if Real capitulated and agreed to sell us one of their players. It doesn't look as if that's going to happen. In which case, we haven't gained anything.
Unless shaking Real's complacency and costing them a little money is a gain.
We always had the option of keeping De Gea for another year. Asking for other players to be included in the deal, and being rejected, in no way affected that. It was only a good strategy if Real capitulated and agreed to sell us one of their players. It doesn't look as if that's going to happen. In which case, we haven't gained anything.
Unless shaking Real's complacency and costing them a little money is a gain.
Yep - sadi it from the start. Waste of time. Given the performance vs PSG so far if we're playing Blind + Jones we def need another CB...
We don't have a top class centre half. We have 5 centre halves that you could call average or good at best. I don't see a leader amongst them. The same defensive problems will persist this season from last season.
Well if Real doesn't get DDG this summer, and end up having a bad season because of that, that'll be enough pain for them. And it'll all be of their own doing. Honestly if they had thrown in a good proper bid from the very start, we might have done business with them.
I hope we stand our ground.
I hope we stand our ground.
Why would they have a bad season without DDG? They'll dominate all La Liga sides, apart from Barca and Atletico, as they normally do, Navas is a solid keeper and he won't have much to do in most games.
No matter how you look at it, Madrid wins. They kept Ramos and will eventually get DDG.
There is really no winner here, not United, not RM. We have a player who wants to join RM but we dont let him until RM pays up or gives up a player they want to keep. RM have a big internal issue (with fans getting pissed at the player and president) and have to offer a contract now to Ramos which is way more than they wanted to pay. Plus, they have to wait for another year to get the GK they really wanted. Not good for neither club
For Real, dominating all sides apart from Barca and Atletico IS a bad season. Their managers get fired for less.
Madrid already won the moment DDG decided to not renew the contract and join them. That much is obvious. It's just that they went about their business thinking we'd have no choice but to sell at whatever price they offer. I don't think they were counting on DDG not joining them this summer. And I'm pretty sure they didn't want to go through the whole season with Navas as no.1. Real's margins for a good or bad season is extremely small. It'll be fun to rock their boat a bit. So yeah, I'm not sure if their "victory" is tasting so sweet right now.
Yeah for Madrid a bad season is to not win a single thing and that's possible.
Pretty funny the way we have been played yet again. Can't believe we would be this naive. At the end of the day we are left with freaking Blind on the CB spot as we have no other CB that can play football.
Perhaps my wording was wrong. What I mean is that having or not having DDG won't be a decisive factor in Real's attempt to beat Barca to the title next season.
Well it may or may not. Navas and Casilla are definitely not at DDG's level though, and may cost them a couple of points here and there. Of course Barca might still walk it regardless, but I know Real would have a better chance if they had signed DDG.
But i thought he wanted only to go to United
Have we signed him yet? What's the hold up?
£240.000 a week before tax apparently.
Never liked him anyway.
We're being trolled. He's signed a new contract.
I think it doesn't change our situation too much. If they want DdG that bad, they can either pay full whack, or give us someone in return. Varane would be great. I'd even take Pepe plus a high fee (he had one of his best seasons just gone by). Following that, Benzema would be amazing.
I think it doesn't change our situation too much. If they want DdG that bad, they can either pay full whack, or give us someone in return. Varane would be great. I'd even take Pepe plus a high fee (he had one of his best seasons just gone by). Following that, Benzema would be amazing.
It's not complicated, Perez told him that he couldn't leave this summer.
Therefore he either sits out his current contract on his current pay for two years and has to hope he's deemed fit enough at 31 to get a big contract somewhere else. Or he signs up for a nice big payrise with Madrid, smiles at the cameras and doesn't rock the boat, and maybe Perez will invite him for the occasional chat about the running of the club.
Therefore he either sits out his current contract on his current pay for two years and has to hope he's deemed fit enough at 31 to get a big contract somewhere else. Or he signs up for a nice big payrise with Madrid, smiles at the cameras and doesn't rock the boat, and maybe Perez will invite him for the occasional chat about the running of the club.
He isnt starting today, make of that what you will...
Hung-over after agreeing his contract renewal with Perez?
Benitez is tinkering with the formation.
probably got a sore arse.
No surprise there. His first choice was always to stay put. Not saying he wouldn't have come but that would have taken Madrid not offering him a new contract.
Once again it looks like we've been used by a player to leverage himself a new contract. 
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