Sergio Ramos | Signs new 5 year contract

What do you think of Sergio Ramos as a potential signing?

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LilRicky said:
Yes, why? The 4 players listed we chased their signature. Real beat us to each, various reason for each of course.



Same again, the four players I listed are players United directly chased and Madrid for various reasons signed them. Did we attempt to sign Sanchez? I don't recall us ever attempting to sign him last summer.

I don't recall Bayern, Barca, PSG, Chelsea or City repeatedly taking players from under our nose. Hazard is the obvious one, Who else? Moura at PSG. Again, I really can't recall multiple instances with any of those clubs signing our players or signing transfer targets from us.

Genuinely surprised at some of the replies if I'm honest, the last ten years roughly have seen United and Real go head to head over many transfer issues, be it buying, selling or fighting over another players signature, more often then not Real have bettered us. Thought I was simply stating the obvious.

People can bring up Everton and Sunderland which is fair, but it's one thing to lose players of the quality of Cleverly and Gibson to one club, but its a whole different story to sell RVN, Beckham, Ronaldo and probably De Gea in a 12 year period all to the same fecking club! Arguably 3 of the best players in their respective positions in the last 3 or 4 decades in Beckham, Ronaldo and De Gea's case.

For anyone that cares to, simply scroll through this very thread and see how many posts are on here from other members with comments that state signing Ramos will finally put us on par with Madrid again and it'll teach them a lesson for undermining us on transfers and its great to see Woodward being hard nosed after years of Real bullying us on transfers. I'm simply echoing their sentiments also.

If you genuinely can't admit Real have fecked us over for years then you must have Perma red tinted goggles on.
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Mate, you win some, you lose some. The main reason we lost out on those players is partly because Fergie didn't want to spend too much. Fair enough, he still kept us competitive.

But now that Woody's throwing the cash around, do you see Real bullying us? No. In fact, if anything it's us that's bullying Real over Ramos.

Ronaldo is the only player that Real took from us that we didn't want to lose. The others? Fergie didn't give a single feck where they went as long as it wasn't another Prem team.

I don't get what you're not understanding here tbh.
 
sunama said:
Is this Ramos thing real OR do you guys think he is merely angling for a better deal at Real Madrid?
I mean, why would he want to willingly leave Madrid, if Madrid improve his contract?

I cant think of even 1 reason.
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Seriously?

- Play for one of the biggest clubs on the planet?
- Play in the most watched, most prestigious sports league in the world?
- Experience a new challenge?

There are a lot of reasons he would move. Everyone from Spain who comes and plays in the PL loves it. He's been at Madrid for a decade and won everything, though maybe not many times!
 
KingMinger22 said:
Seriously?

- Play for one of the biggest clubs on the planet?
- Play in the most watched, most prestigious sports league in the world?
- Experience a new challenge?

There are a lot of reasons he would move. Everyone from Spain who comes and plays in the PL loves it. He's been at Madrid for a decade and won everything, though maybe not many times!
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And also because he has a rotten relationship with Perez. Money is probably important to him too but there's several other reasons he wants to leave.
 
Mciahel Goodman said:
Doesn't matter, he said every player from Spain loves the PL. Clearly this is nonsense.
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There's a difference between being shit and not being a fan of the league. It's like him saying "every player loves the World Cup" and you saying "Rooney disagrees".
 
Why pay so much for an aged defender? How much can he really offer.... dont want another RVP where top level contributions are only for 2 seasons at most.
 
edn33 said:
Why pay so much for an aged defender? How much can he really offer.... dont want another RVP where top level contributions are only for 2 seasons at most.
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I tend to agree with this, but seems the caf loves a big name signing. I think that within a year or two he would be chasing shadows like Rio did a in his last few years for us.
 
edn33 said:
Why pay so much for an aged defender? How much can he really offer.... dont want another RVP where top level contributions are only for 2 seasons at most.
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Van Gaal needs players who can deliver now - he might be gone in 2 seasons and he wants to leave a legacy of success. As I'm sure we all want him to.
 
edn33 said:
Why pay so much for an aged defender? How much can he really offer.... dont want another RVP where top level contributions are only for 2 seasons at most.
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RVP was always going to start his decline young, he always struggled with fitness. 29 is not ancient. Plus, if Ramos delivers what RVP did, which was short term success to a high degree, get him.

Ramos has another 3-4 years at the top. Who knows he could go on for longer.
 
RvP had a career dogged with injuries. He didn't have long left at the top, and we got him just at the right time to give Fergie the send-off he wanted.

You don't suddenly turn to shit at 30 just because. Ramos is a different specimen entirely. He's played 40+ games every single pro season, usually 50+. He can go on for 3+ years at the top, no trouble.
 
KingMinger22 said:
Seriously?

- Play for one of the biggest clubs on the planet?
- Play in the most watched, most prestigious sports league in the world?
- Experience a new challenge?
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I'm deadly serious.

1. he is already at Madrid, which IS the biggest club in the World. Ask DDG, Ronaldo, Bale - they'll tell you about this.
2. he is already playing in the best and most watched league in the World. Ask the most expensive and best players in the World, they'll back me up on this.
3. new challenge - this could be a valid reason, but not enough for him to move to Utd.

On top of all this, we are likely to lose our best player (DDG), so could struggle to compete for top 4.

KingMinger22 said:
Everyone from Spain who comes and plays in the PL loves it.
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Di Maria and Falcao will disagree with this.
Herrera is probably our only signing who prefers it at MUFC.
DDG is desperate to go back to Spain.
Ronaldo was begging Fergie for a year, to let him play in Spain.
Same for Suarez.

The list goes on.

If you believe you are the best player in your position, in the World, you go to Spain...NOT England.

Money - this could be a factor here, but IMO, he is angling for a new contract with Madrid and is using MUFC as his bargaining chip. Plenty of players are and have done this.
Perez - hmm. Maybe. But once a new contact is signed, he'll be all hugs and kisses. I've seen this many times before. And I will see it many times in future.

I see it like this:
Giggs/Scholes was Mr Man Utd.
Schweinsteiger is Mr Bayern.
Alves is Mr Barcelona.
Ramos is Mr Madrid.

Attempting to buy any of these players is unrealistic.

Over the years, as far as big names go, we have lost Ronaldo (and will probably lose DDG) and were only able to attract Falcao (a mercenary who will play for the highest bidder) and Di Maria (he was not wanted by Real; PSG could not afford him; so we took him). I dont think we have ever taken, by force, a player away from Madrid.

Considering all of the above, I think Ramos will re-sign with Madrid.
And we need to be more realistic in our targets, at least until we can recapture the trophy winning ability we had under Fergie.
 
It would get interesting if the reports of De Gea signing a new deal before resuming training were true however unlikely that seems. Say De Gea was to sign Real are still left with an unhappy Ramos who only wants to come here apparently.
 
Unlikely lad said:
Probably not, but not because he's not good enough/too old, rather because trying to sign Madrid's captain would be daft as feck
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Sied said:
Would we have stood a chance of signing him if they weren't trying to sign de Gea?
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I just hope we're not being petty about this signature (they wanna sign DDG therefore we have to sign one of their players) and we're trying to sign him because LVG really wants him. Personally I hope it doesn't happen because I've never liked Ramos and I have never really rated him.
 
He is 29 but phisically in a very good condition. He can provide experience, character and that "cnut attitude" that maybe your defense lacks. He may help to some new defender to develop and leave in 3, 4 years. If United is so rich and can afford to spend 150m euros every summer, then I think that 65/70 m euros would be a good investment. He is not the kind of spaniard that loves to go abroad(Silva either and he was able to addapt). He is not the Mata or Herrera type, is more like Reyes in my opinion, however is a very proud player, able to overcome any adversity. He is not going to be afraid of PL strikers and definitely will be a fan favorite. He has very funny moments in twitter and press conferences. If he finally signs I guess he will get some extra yellow cards for protesting to referees, something normal here
 
carvajal said:
He is 29 but phisically in a very good condition. He can provide experience, character and that "cnut attitude" that maybe your defense lacks. He may help to some new defender to develop and leave in 3, 4 years. If United is so rich and can afford to spend 150m euros every summer, then I think that 65/70 m euros would be a good investment. He is not the kind of spaniard that loves to go abroad(Silva either and he was able to addapt). He is not the Mata or Herrera type, is more like Reyes in my opinion, however is a very proud player, able to overcome any adversity. He is not going to be afraid of PL strikers and definitely will be a fan favorite. He has very funny moments in twitter and press conferences. If he finally signs I guess he will get some extra yellow cards for protesting to referees, something normal here
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Injury records?
 
edn33 said:
Why pay so much for an aged defender? How much can he really offer.... dont want another RVP where top level contributions are only for 2 seasons at most.
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Well, he's streets ahead of any of our current defenders for one and his presence would improve that part of the team no end. Secondly, he's not injury-prone like Van Persie and we can expect four or maybe five seasons out of him. He plays in a position where pace isn't that important and I think he'd relish the chance of playing against Premiership forwards.
 
Everybody talking about injury records (or lack of it for Ramos) but that wont matter. "welcome to Manchester" ramos and he will be spending periods on the treatment table three or four times a season :P
 
I'd rather play an injured Ramos who can't even walk than Johnny Evans anymore.
 
Bloxy said:
It's exactly his reliance on his athleticism and physicality that means he would become less effective in the next few years. I know there's more to be said about reading the game as a cb and having the positional awareness, but the premier league is demanding. I'm tempted to compare him to Rio, but Rio had many injuries but the similarity for me is that Rio lost his pace in his latter years and he lost his effectiveness, and Ramos would/could go down the same path.
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It's rarer for strikers, especially those that relied on athleticism, to change their style than defenders.
 
sunama said:
I'm deadly serious.

1. he is already at Madrid, which IS the biggest club in the World. Ask DDG, Ronaldo, Bale - they'll tell you about this.
2. he is already playing in the best and most watched league in the World. Ask the most expensive and best players in the World, they'll back me up on this.
3. new challenge - this could be a valid reason, but not enough for him to move to Utd.

On top of all this, we are likely to lose our best player (DDG), so could struggle to compete for top 4.



Di Maria and Falcao will disagree with this.
Herrera is probably our only signing who prefers it at MUFC.
DDG is desperate to go back to Spain.
Ronaldo was begging Fergie for a year, to let him play in Spain.
Same for Suarez.

The list goes on.

If you believe you are the best player in your position, in the World, you go to Spain...NOT England.

Money - this could be a factor here, but IMO, he is angling for a new contract with Madrid and is using MUFC as his bargaining chip. Plenty of players are and have done this.
Perez - hmm. Maybe. But once a new contact is signed, he'll be all hugs and kisses. I've seen this many times before. And I will see it many times in future.

I see it like this:
Giggs/Scholes was Mr Man Utd.
Schweinsteiger is Mr Bayern.
Alves is Mr Barcelona.
Ramos is Mr Madrid.

Attempting to buy any of these players is unrealistic.

Over the years, as far as big names go, we have lost Ronaldo (and will probably lose DDG) and were only able to attract Falcao (a mercenary who will play for the highest bidder) and Di Maria (he was not wanted by Real; PSG could not afford him; so we took him). I dont think we have ever taken, by force, a player away from Madrid.

Considering all of the above, I think Ramos will re-sign with Madrid.
And we need to be more realistic in our targets, at least until we can recapture the trophy winning ability we had under Fergie.
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Are you really trying to suggest that La Liga is bigger than the PL?

It's not even close. I mean seriously. It's a feckin fact that the PL is the most watched sports league in the world by far. Google it.

Look at the TV deals even.

Here in the US the PL is on national television - NBC. La Liga? Some obscure channel that no one watched called BEin sports.

I have travelled all over the world. The PL is everywhere, not la liga.

Falcao loves it in England and has said as much. Hence why he just signed for Chelsea!

Di Maria will enjoy it when he gets some confidence back.
 
KingMinger22 said:
Are you really trying to suggest that La Liga is bigger than the PL?

It's not even close. I mean seriously. It's a feckin fact that the PL is the most watched sports league in the world by far. Google it.

Look at the TV deals even.

Here in the US the PL is on national television - NBC. La Liga? Some obscure channel that no one watched called BEin sports.

I have travelled all over the world. The PL is everywhere, not la liga.

Falcao loves it in England and has said as much. Hence why he just signed for Chelsea!

Di Maria will enjoy it when he gets some confidence back.
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Just because our league is the most watched - doesn't make it the best.
 
Coxy said:
Just because our league is the most watched - doesn't make it the best.
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Best is subjective. Things like most watched, most popular, most profitable etc. can actually be measured.
 
Not a debate for this thread but I don't know why P.L is more entertaining.the best show should have the best actors and we enjoy Messi and Cristiano every weekend.As a viewer I am not interested in profits or audiences
 
carvajal said:
Not a debate for this thread but I don't know why P.L is more entertaining.the best show should have the best actors and we enjoy Messi and Cristiano every weekend.As a viewer I am not interested in profits or audiences
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We get to enjoy Lee Cattermole and the revolving door that is Darren Bent so f-you.
 
carvajal said:
Not a debate for this thread but I don't know why P.L is more entertaining.the best show should have the best actors and we enjoy Messi and Cristiano every weekend.As a viewer I am not interested in profits or audiences
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Football isn't a show, it's a sport and the best thing in sport is competition, practically every match is a slog for points in the PL, many times in La Liga it's a stroll in the park for the big teams as the lower teams are so poorly funded.
 
carvajal said:
Not a debate for this thread but I don't know why P.L is more entertaining.the best show should have the best actors and we enjoy Messi and Cristiano every weekend.As a viewer I am not interested in profits or audiences
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More competition in England. Less diving and fannying about. In Spain, Barcelona and Madrid will probably win 9 out of the next 10 championships because the system is designed to help them and even with the elections, you can get Laporta saying he'll sign Pogba. It's panto. United were dominant for Large periods but that was more about Sir Alex and we might see Chelsea be a threat with Jose.
 
Offside said:
It's the most entertaining.
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Certainly is. It might not have the best teams but it is far more entertaining than any other leagues, and I watch them all by the way. There's just so many big games involving different teams. Even the teams that are down in the relegation scrap can throw up some fantastic results like Leicester last season!
 
Devil may care said:
Football isn't a show, it's a sport and the best thing in sport is competition, practically every match is a slog for points in the PL, many times in La Liga it's a stroll in the park for the big teams as the lower teams are so poorly funded.
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If Madrid and Barsa were playing in P.L they would also win 6-0.At the end I see the same winners (+now petrol teams)and the same teams in Europa league.For me is a show a long time ago
 
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