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Yes, happy with his mother giving an interview from a car. You've become a resident caf user now, in heart and nature, Carvajal.
Taking signs from signing a ball, a shirt, interviews with players from cars... You're officially one of us
Yes, happy with his mother giving an interview from a car. You've become a resident caf user now, in heart and nature, Carvajal.
Taking signs from signing a ball, a shirt, interviews with players from cars... You're officially one of us
It's being a weird summer. I am used to wake up in july with some "my dream is to play in Madrid""he is born to play with us"and of course a player,spaniard asking to leave caught me offsideAlmost all those players mentioned, we wanted to get rid. So I wouldn't say they pinched players we wanted to keep continually. Only Ronaldo and De Gea are in that category.
Marca will quite happily run the exact opposite cover story tomorrow. The front page is about selling stuff. They (and AS) are quite careful with the wording of stories, and they do have serious reporters, but you have to see the article not the headline for that.
In terms of either of the Madrid dailies being Perez's mouthpiece, AS just plain don't like him and that sometimes spills into their stories.
So that means Marca is their mouthpiece? IINM, they and Barca each have one big paper that speaks on their behalf, albeit, unofficially.Marca will quite happily run the exact opposite cover story tomorrow. The front page is about selling stuff. They (and AS) are quite careful with the wording of stories, and they do have serious reporters, but you have to see the article not the headline for that.
In terms of either of the Madrid dailies being Perez's mouthpiece, AS just plain don't like him and that sometimes spills into their stories.
I think they are more likely to suck up to Perez, but they like to sell papers even more.
Hernandez is a current United player we loaned him to them they didn't take him.
RVN, Beckham (who we tried to sell to Barca) and Heinze (who we told can go where ever he wants except L'pool) were all players we wanted to sell.
And unless there has been an announcement i've missed De Gea is still a United player, and though it's not likely he might still be come september.
So that leaves the list of players Real ''continually'' take from United who we don't want to sell them with just Ronaldo.
Crap post.
I see. Well, let's hope this whole Ramos saga settles in our favor, although Perez is not someone to be trifled with. There's a reason why he is the ringmaster of that circus.
It doesn't take away from the fact they do continually either sign or attempt to sign our players. Causing unrest with them at our club. I'm not sure what point your making with RVN and Beckham because ultimately they did end up at Madrid?
Likewise with De Gea, it's close to a year long transfer saga now and are you suggesting this ideal going into pre season? Madrid offering transfer fees that are well below the asking price to cause more unrest and try undermine our position.
This is Ronaldo all over again. I'm certainly not the only one to echo these sentiments either.
Likewise. What an intelligent reply!
I'm certain the point he's making is that we didn't give the slightest shit who we sold either of those 2 to, Fergie wanted rid of them and RM had the cash to do so. It's nowhere near the same as De Gea or Ronaldo where we want(ed) to keep the player but Real stuck their oar in.
The problem is your original post is out of context. The context is that Madrid continuously poached our players against our will which is wrong. The fact is, we wanted to get rid of all those players except Ronaldo. And even then, Ronaldo was a world record transfer. Can't say it's been that bad, tbh. I suppose with more and more latin players on our roster, that might become a bigger issue in the future.
I appreciate RVN / Beckham are vastly different situations to De Gea and Ronaldo, none the less it is a bit tiresome seeing our players leave us for them. You could argue as well they under paid for RVN, The Beckham fee was fair from what I can recall.
Heinze yeah we couldn't do much about as he wanted out and as long as it wasn't Liverpool (or another PL club) he seemed happy enough to be rid of him.
Ronaldo, hell Fergie himself said although it was a world record transfer fee he told Gill to push for more money as Madrid would of paid it. Their persistent hounding of Ronaldo for well over a year wasn't exactly ideal for us either.
Eh? I thought the point was obvious we wanted to sell Beckham and RVN and Real had the money so we were happy to do business. Neither of those deals nor the Heinze one caused United or the squad any unrest.
You were implying Real just waltz in and regularly take our players at will yet in reality they have only signed 4 players from us in 20-30+ years and only one of those we didn't want to sell.
Hardly continual is it?
I'm not suggesting that it is or isn't ideal for pre-season, where have i suggested that exactly?
Year long transfer saga? It's hardly anywhere close to how disruptive the Ronaldo chase was now was it.
No one even knows if they have made a bid for certain or the amount of any potential bid. Nothing has been confirmed
But even if they did make a bid and it was low so what?
When you want to buy something that doesn't have a set price in any line of business you start your bids low knowing the seller will demand 2-3 times that and hope to meet somewhere in the middle. Standard practice really and nothing United haven't done hundreds of times to many clubs.
Well stating the obvious Steve, is there another club around that take as many of our players as Madrid have? No!
Apologies if it is implied that they take our players with relative ease, that wasn't the case. Simply highlighting that quite a number of a players leave us either as they enter their best years or are smack bang in their prime and it has become quite regular in recent times. There are a large portion of United supporters sick to the back teeth of Madrid taking our players, regardless of the situation surrounding the transfer.
RVN was still in his prime, he went on to score approx 50 goals in 70 matches for them and we got a pittance for him. Ronaldo, well we only got a glimpse of what he was to become.
Of course it's disruptive, this De Gea transfer rumbled on through out the season and the press continually badgered players and management alike about De Gea future status at the club. Much like when Ronaldo was here in his final year, denying the obvious outcome of it all. I'd suggest this transfer has been far more disruptive than Ronaldo, the club was in a far healthier condition at the time of Ronaldo leaving, we struggled for 4th place to get ourselves back into Europe as opposed to being one of Europes best teams. The club is rebuilding and is now losing its best player of the last two seasons who helped get us into European football. From the looks of it now he is due back on Monday to report for pre season training with the United players and it rumbles into another season, Longer than the Ronaldo transfer saga at this point.
Common sense would dictate that Madrid haven't matched the fee United have requested for De Gea, or even anything close to it. If they had matched the fee requested, or put in a respectable bid then why would it still be an ongoing issue?
Whilst it's understandable to have a bit of haggling involved to ensure the buying club isn't ripped off, I'd suggest their bid has started the rest of the drama off. What drama? The weekly changing of players being involved in the deal, from Bale to Benzema and now the entire Ramos drama that has since unfolded. I'd be fairly confident in stating the bid probably insulted the United board as well, hence the hard nosed approach since that rumour broke.
Didnt feel bad about ronaldo, 80m is a worthy price. Rvn was surplus, Beckham was sold with ulterior motives from saf.
De gea on the other hand, we shall make them pay good money or just fecking told them to wait 1 year. De gea will not get a payrise anyway if he didnt sign. Assuming he's on 100k/week, another year of not paykng him 200k/week is close to 5mio. Just consider we loan a top keeper for 15mio. Let madrid worry about getting replacement for a year
De gea on the other hand, we shall make them pay good money or just fecking told them to wait 1 year. De gea will not get a payrise anyway if he didnt sign. Assuming he's on 100k/week, another year of not paykng him 200k/week is close to 5mio. Just consider we loan a top keeper for 15mio. Let madrid worry about getting replacement for a year
We bought a raw talented goalkeeper for about £18 Million and helped develop him into one of the worlds best. Regardless of his contract situation we should be getting a financial return on our investment.
Yes Sunderland Bardsley, Mc Shane, Rishardson, O'shea, Brown, probably more. Everton Howard, Neville, Gibson, Saha, Cleverley. Thats just off the top of my head.
Madrid sign better players from us of course, but that is because they are a much bigger club. But the players we sold to Everton and Sunderland are just like the 3 we sold Real we wanted to sell they wanted to buy.
But that doesn't change the simple fact that you seem to be missing which is they only got 1 player from us that we didn't want to sell. No idea why you are upset with Madrid for signing players we wanted to sell regardless of them still being good players.
Sorry but no they dont, we sold them Rvn, Beckham and Heinze when they were 30, 28 and 29 respectively. Arguably still in their prime but we sold them while we could still get a half decent fee and we no doubt had the best years of all three (definitely RVN and Beckham anyway).
If there are a large portion of our fans sick to the back teeth with them ''taking'' (again with this shit really?) our players then they are completely misunderstanding the whole situation.
4 players in 20+ years is no big deal especially considering 3 of them we were happy sell. If you want to be upset about them poaching Ronaldo fair enough so am i.
But lets not exaggerate their ''taking'' of our players, they took one thats it. They have signed more players from other clubs in recent times and United have did the same to other clubs.
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And what about the players the took under our noses from transfers? Kroos? Ozil? Modric? Bale?
Again we can only go on rumour but we have been close to signing one or two of these players but for Real to swoop in and take the player from us in recent years.
Yeah, Everton are another club who seem to do well with transfers from us. We also over paid on a certain purchase from them not so long ago.
I really don't think it is as clear cut as you make it out to be. Real have been a massive hindrance to United in the last 5-10 years in particular, either from selling players to them whatever the circumstances and swiping quite a few of our prime transfer targets from us.
I thought we were talking of players they took off of us and not ones we offloaded because we did not want anymore for various reasons. Fergie wanted to get rid of Heinze couldn't get into our team and wanted a move to Liverpool. Beckham fell out with Fergie and was forced out and Chicca had 3 (maybe 4) forwards ahead of him in the pecking order. But if you wanna count those examples, we may as well claim that Everton take players off of us since they had Gibson, Phil Neville and Cleverley from us.
Sunderland poached three of our players in the same summer and Everton stole Gibson, Neville and Howard why we weren't looking.
Point taken.
It is One thing to lose Cleverly, Gibson and Neville to Everton, its another to lose Ronaldo & De Gea (most likely) to Madrid.
And it is an other thing to mix up unwanted players and wanted players, 1 player maybe 2 in I don't know many years isn't a pattern.
It's not one or two though, what about the players we were also linked to for transfers? Modric? Bale? Kroos? Ozil? I could go on...
Are you for real?
They're a competitor. So are Bayern and Barcelona. These days, so are PSG, Chelsea and City. If we're including Ozil or Alexis on the wish list, so are Arsenal. So what?
Great players move from one big club to another big club too. We took Di Maria from Madrid last season and Owen Hargreaves left bayern to come 'home'.
Reals policy in the last 15 years has been to try and buy the best of the best. If that means signing our cast offs and finding a use for them then so be it. Our policy has been to find value in the market so we are never going to take players from Madrid, except when we are desperate for quality.
In Ronaldo case, he was ambitious, had won everything with us in England and his hero, Figo, had played for Madrid. Spanish football and Madrid was a natural choice.
In DDG case, his girlfriend seems to be a selfish cow and wants him in Madrid because she's feeling broody and still want to try and further her career.
There's personal factors in both cases that United just can't do anything about.
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Aren't Real facing a likely transfer ban next year though? I thought one of the reasons we feel in a stronger negotiation position.
Quoting out of context, so can i take it your rolling eyes are because you think i said Madrid are a much bigger club than United yes?
If you read my post you would see i said ''Madrid sign better players from US of course, but that is because they are a much bigger club'' (than Sunderland or Everton)
Unless you disagree?
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I remember reading some time ago that Real's view is if a player wants to leave he should be allowed - the view they adopt with their targets anyway.
I like our tough negotiating tactics. Maybe Woody has developed a new, innovative approach to signing and selling players.
I like our tough negotiating tactics. Maybe Woody has developed a new, innovative approach to signing and selling players.
No club is bigger than United. More glamorous? Sure. But not "bigger".
Where I love (Chicago) if you asked an average sports fan who United where they would tell you it's a soccer team in the premier league. Ask them who Real are and two-thirds or more would have no idea.
Just an anecdote but seriously it is laughable to suggest any club is bigger - which implies global awareness, finances, etc - than United.
Where I love (Chicago) if you asked an average sports fan who United where they would tell you it's a soccer team in the premier league. Ask them who Real are and two-thirds or more would have no idea.
Just an anecdote but seriously it is laughable to suggest any club is bigger - which implies global awareness, finances, etc - than United.
They will just do what Barca did and play the game. Have an appeal so they get the players before the ban becomes effective, and then have an agreement for players to come after their ban. It has not impacted Barca at all.
What? Players we were linked to so what. Even if we were close to signing them again so what.
United and Real shop in the same market and Real for some reason seem to be the biggest draw for most players so it's inevitable they are going to sign players we wanted. United sign players other teams wanted also, Liverpool thought they were getting Depay until we signed him, City wanted RVP and Chelsea wanted Shaw we offered more money etc. etc.
Real are not doing anything United wouldn't do given the opportunity.
You don't think it's clear cut because you seem to really dislike Real and are blowing things out of all proportion as a result.
I don't particularly like Real either but i'm not going to hate them for wanting to sign good players either from us or other clubs.
Yes, why? The 4 players listed we chased their signature. Real beat us to each, various reason for each of course.
Same again, the four players I listed are players United directly chased and Madrid for various reasons signed them. Did we attempt to sign Sanchez? I don't recall us ever attempting to sign him last summer.
I don't recall Bayern, Barca, PSG, Chelsea or City repeatedly taking players from under our nose. Hazard is the obvious one, Who else? Moura at PSG. Again, I really can't recall multiple instances with any of those clubs signing our players or signing transfer targets from us.
Genuinely surprised at some of the replies if I'm honest, the last ten years roughly have seen United and Real go head to head over many transfer issues, be it buying, selling or fighting over another players signature, more often then not Real have bettered us. Thought I was simply stating the obvious.
People can bring up Everton and Sunderland which is fair, but it's one thing to lose players of the quality of Cleverly and Gibson to one club, but its a whole different story to sell RVN, Beckham, Ronaldo and probably De Gea in a 12 year period all to the same fecking club! Arguably 3 of the best players in their respective positions in the last 3 or 4 decades in Beckham, Ronaldo and De Gea's case.
For anyone that cares to, simply scroll through this very thread and see how many posts are on here from other members with comments that state signing Ramos will finally put us on par with Madrid again and it'll teach them a lesson for undermining us on transfers and its great to see Woodward being hard nosed after years of Real bullying us on transfers. I'm simply echoing their sentiments also.
If you genuinely can't admit Real have fecked us over for years then you must have Perma red tinted goggles on.
I dont remember 'chasing a signature' for Ozil, Modrić, Kroos and Bale. I only remember us being interested..
Why do you think that Madrid will have a transfer ban? If the team did something wrong why Fifa didn't already announce it?
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