When it comes to money, father-in-law takes a back seat.
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When it comes to money, father-in-law takes a back seat.
Diego could care less about most things, coke aside.
I have always rated this kid and think United would be incredible had they still had Ronaldo, but it seems Benzema is more apt to replace that, atm I;m all for either or both, in SAF we trust
I have always rated this kid and think United would be incredible had they still had Ronaldo, but it seems Benzema is more apt to replace that, atm I;m all for either or both, in SAF we trust
So I've been holiday for a week.
Is he signing or what?
Hopefully he is, and we can keep the Argentina chant.
I would rather we not.. Its so impersonal to pass it on from cnut to C... *cough* I mean Judas to J..... *cough* FFS I mean Heinze to Tevez to a possible new Argentinian player..
But seriously I get very sad that Argentinian players leave under such bad circumstances.. Argentina is the country I support... I have been supporting them since ages too..
My one reservation about Aguero is that he is not a target man which is really what we need. He plays off the front man, more like Rooney does.
Man Utd discussing personal terms with Aguero
tribalfootball.com
http://www.tribalfootball.com/man-utd-discussing-personal-terms-aguero-253344
Manchester United are in talks with the minders of Atletico Madrid star Sergio Aguero.
Marca says United have spent the past 48 hours sounding out the Argentina international about whether he is serious about a move to Old Trafford.
The Premiership champs are willing to offer Aguero £100,000-a-week to bring him to England - which represents a massive increase on his current Atletico salary.
If Aguero accepts the offer, United chief David Gill will step up negotiations with Atletico about talking them down from their demands that the striker's £55 million buyout clause will only be considered.
tribalbollock so is probably made up
tribalfootball.com
http://www.tribalfootball.com/man-utd-discussing-personal-terms-aguero-253344
Manchester United are in talks with the minders of Atletico Madrid star Sergio Aguero.
Marca says United have spent the past 48 hours sounding out the Argentina international about whether he is serious about a move to Old Trafford.
The Premiership champs are willing to offer Aguero £100,000-a-week to bring him to England - which represents a massive increase on his current Atletico salary.
If Aguero accepts the offer, United chief David Gill will step up negotiations with Atletico about talking them down from their demands that the striker's £55 million buyout clause will only be considered.
tribalbollock so is probably made up
Sad thing is most media outlets usually use that as their primary source, i can bet before the day is out we would see these 'reports' being posting on other sites - which does question whether it could be true
Good to see we're tapping him up nice and early. According to Tribal.
Manchester United turn to £45m Aguero to fill Ronaldo void
By Rob Draper and Joe Bernstein Last updated at 9:45 PM on 27th June 2009
Manchester United boss Sir Alex Ferguson will return to his desk at 8am tomorrow at the club's Carrington training ground refreshed from his three weeks' holiday in the south of France and begin the process of replacing Cristiano Ronaldo.
First, he will intensify negotiations for £45million Atletico Madrid playmaker Sergio 'Kun' Aguero and then complete the £14m signing of Wigan's Luis
For tomorrow morning, £80m will be deposited in United's bank accounts as Real Madrid transfer the full amount of the fee due for Portugal winger Ronaldo.
In a highly unusual move, Real sources have indicated that they could secure Ronaldo only if they paid the money immediately and in one instalment.
Ferguson will also have to replace Carlos Tevez, who is expected to confirm his move to Manchester City this week, and it looks increasingly likely that the United boss will turn once again to the Latin market to fill the gaps.
Negotiations for Ecuadorian Valencia are approaching a conclusion, which will provide the wide player to fill one aspect of Ronaldo's game.
But it is the Argentinian Aguero who is likely to provide the missing magic to United's line-up.
Despite the fact that Ferguson is keen to sign Lyon striker Karim Benzema, United have been told that the 21-year-old will remain in France for one more season.
United will be back to bid for him next summer or sooner if the position of Lyon president Jean-Michel Aulas changes.
Even then, they may find themselves trumped by Real, who have Zinedine Zidane working as a sporting director and who is using his influence to guide the player to the Bernabeu.
With Franck Ribery likewise set on a move to Spain, it is 21-year-old Aguero who currently heads Ferguson's list. Chelsea, frustrated in their efforts to sign Kaka, David Villa and Ribery, are also monitoring the player.
Aguero, who is engaged to Maradona's daughter Giannina, certainly ticks the box in terms of star quality, but he may not be the only player making the journey from La Liga to Manchester.
Samuel Eto'o has begun negotiations with Manchester City in earnest, representing a significant step for Mark Hughes, who has already secured Roque Santa Cruz and Gareth Barry....
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...ed-turn-45m-Aguero-Ronaldo-void.html?ITO=1490
By Rob Draper and Joe Bernstein Last updated at 9:45 PM on 27th June 2009
Manchester United boss Sir Alex Ferguson will return to his desk at 8am tomorrow at the club's Carrington training ground refreshed from his three weeks' holiday in the south of France and begin the process of replacing Cristiano Ronaldo.
First, he will intensify negotiations for £45million Atletico Madrid playmaker Sergio 'Kun' Aguero and then complete the £14m signing of Wigan's Luis
For tomorrow morning, £80m will be deposited in United's bank accounts as Real Madrid transfer the full amount of the fee due for Portugal winger Ronaldo.
In a highly unusual move, Real sources have indicated that they could secure Ronaldo only if they paid the money immediately and in one instalment.
Ferguson will also have to replace Carlos Tevez, who is expected to confirm his move to Manchester City this week, and it looks increasingly likely that the United boss will turn once again to the Latin market to fill the gaps.
Negotiations for Ecuadorian Valencia are approaching a conclusion, which will provide the wide player to fill one aspect of Ronaldo's game.
But it is the Argentinian Aguero who is likely to provide the missing magic to United's line-up.
Despite the fact that Ferguson is keen to sign Lyon striker Karim Benzema, United have been told that the 21-year-old will remain in France for one more season.
United will be back to bid for him next summer or sooner if the position of Lyon president Jean-Michel Aulas changes.
Even then, they may find themselves trumped by Real, who have Zinedine Zidane working as a sporting director and who is using his influence to guide the player to the Bernabeu.
With Franck Ribery likewise set on a move to Spain, it is 21-year-old Aguero who currently heads Ferguson's list. Chelsea, frustrated in their efforts to sign Kaka, David Villa and Ribery, are also monitoring the player.
Aguero, who is engaged to Maradona's daughter Giannina, certainly ticks the box in terms of star quality, but he may not be the only player making the journey from La Liga to Manchester.
Samuel Eto'o has begun negotiations with Manchester City in earnest, representing a significant step for Mark Hughes, who has already secured Roque Santa Cruz and Gareth Barry....
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...ed-turn-45m-Aguero-Ronaldo-void.html?ITO=1490
Yes please
I wish.. (Aguero, not Valencia).
£45m, I just can't see it. But these aren't normal circumstances, and maybe it's a risk the club are willing to take, because he'll have a good sell-on value if it doesn't work out.
If it's true we're not going after players aged over 26 (that includes Ribery, Villa and Eto'o) then Aguero seems like one of the most viable options, and one of only a few players worthy of filling the vacated number 7 shirt.
Still got a feeling Benzema's the priority though.
If it's true we're not going after players aged over 26 (that includes Ribery, Villa and Eto'o) then Aguero seems like one of the most viable options, and one of only a few players worthy of filling the vacated number 7 shirt.
Still got a feeling Benzema's the priority though.
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£45m isn't that much for a player like Aguero in this market, it's actually a very decent price. Atletico paid £20m for him when he was still relatively unknown to most in Europe and players were not that expensive. He has proven his value.
Well I suppose we did spend £30m on Berbatov, and with the inflated market just now, and our own windfall, £45m doesn't seem too bad.
I still think we'll get Benzema for about £30m instead though.
Benzema for 30 million what is this 1999?
40 million at least for him probably more knowing LyonBenzema won't cost £30m, Lyon will ask for something closer to £40m. Remember that they managed to sell both Diarra and Essien for around £25m and they were both midfielders, and sold when the market wasn't as high as it is now. Although they were in a much better position to negotiate back then as they were considered as one of Europe's finest teams.
Benzema for 30 million what is this 1999?
No chance he'll go for anything over £35m.
He's still relatively unproven, has little international experience, and is coming from the stagnating French league.
Most news reports talking about him quote a £30m price-tag. I reckon somewhere between £30m and £35m. Nothing more, nothing less.
Lyon aren't what they used to be as a club either.
It is when you factor in the £25m, over five years, in wages (£100k per week). That £70m would be a guaranteed outlay, with absolutely no guarantee of anything like a return. And the thing that most people fail to consider is that the club will likely factor in, not simply whether they can get a decent return on that sort of investment, but whether the return is sufficient relative to what we likely would earn without signing the player. We would have to be either enormously successful to make a return on that sort of outlay, or the player would have to be an extremely marketable asset.
As I've just mentioned on another thread, making the wrong moves now could set us back years, as the £50m investment in Veron and van Nistelrooy did do, in my opinion. The same people who say that £45m is a perfectly normal amount to spend on a 21 year old, would likely chastise the club if it didn't work out.
I'm not suggesting that we shouldn't be looking to spend big. Only that we need to be as sure as we possibly can that any investment — and particularly on the scale that is being talked about — is going to further the clubs ambitions.
Joga you talk far too much sense.
You're killing threads for us mere mortals.
You're killing threads for us mere mortals.
I agree with much of that, but in what sense did buying RVN 'set us back years'? He was one of the only things keeping us competitive in pretty turbulent times for the club. He came in when we were trying to move towards a new formation and tactical setup, and still prospered. We recouped a large portion of his purchase price, 5 years later and at 31, and he scored somewhere in or around 100 goals. I honestly can't fathom how his signing was anything other than a success, despite how it might have ended.
Joga you talk far too much sense.
You're killing threads for us mere mortals.
Joga is one of the best posters on this board, I cant think of a post of his that wasnt top class
Any signing is a risk. If you're not going to take it then you end up signing no one which won't do us any favours. The best way to be profitable in football is to be successful, you cannot be that without a proper team and you won't have a proper team without proper investment.
We've just sold our best player and need to replace him if we want to maintain our status. After three league titles and two CL finals in a row you'd imagine Ferguson wants to keep that up.
We've just sold our best player and need to replace him if we want to maintain our status. After three league titles and two CL finals in a row you'd imagine Ferguson wants to keep that up.
We don't need to spend £45m on a star striker like Aguero. We don't even need him actually.
I'm all for bringing in wingers, and a talented striker that wouldn't cost us more than £15-20m even if this figure might be unrealistic in the current transfer market.
I would have liked Keirrison at United for example, but he has already signed for Barcelona.
I'm all for bringing in wingers, and a talented striker that wouldn't cost us more than £15-20m even if this figure might be unrealistic in the current transfer market.
I would have liked Keirrison at United for example, but he has already signed for Barcelona.
Besides, instead of Aguero we can sign two £20m players who will be as much a risk and will involve as much money. Rooney was a risk at £27m, Torres was a risk for Liverpool at £25m, hell even Ronaldo was a risk at £12m. That's football, you cannot play it completely safe.
It's a GO BIG OR GO HOME world
So you'd basically prefer us to go Liverpool way when it comes to transfer than spend heavy money on proven players?
I wouldn't. I'd rather we replaced Ronaldo with someone who's capable of doing the job on the basis of what he has done up until now.
More so Veron, of course, but I just think that a player like Van Nistelrooy limits what you can do with a team. He was possibly the best striker — of that type — in world football while he was at United, and I loved him every bit as much as any other United fan, but he did limit the flexibility of our forward line, and subsequently, the entire philosophy of the team. It meant that we were too predictable, and despite the amazing amount of goals that he scored, very few other types of striker force you to set up in the way that van Nistelrooy did. I'm not blaming him, of course, and I recognize that there were many other factors involved, but it's interesting that Sir Alex has never looked to replace like-for-like, and even more so, that the entire philosophy of the team changed after he left.
Neither Saha, Rooney, Tevez, or Berbatov are/were as good as Van Nistelrooy was at what he did, but you can see the difference in the forward line (including midfield) over the past few seasons. If you rely so heavily on one player — and particularly one that is as relatively immobile as van Nistelrooy (Ronaldo didn't have that problem) — then they are going to be targeted, and against the very best teams, marked out of the game, particularly if they lack pace.
Ruud was the right player at the wrong time. He never got to play with players as good as the ones we've had in the last two or three seasons which was the main reason for club's failure.
He joined a very good side and won the title in his second season but had to deal with the departure of Beckham and side rebuilding the following seasons.
He'd definitely shine in our current side and it was none of his fault that we managed only one title during his spell. Hell, look at the midfield he had behind his back for most of his time here.
He joined a very good side and won the title in his second season but had to deal with the departure of Beckham and side rebuilding the following seasons.
He'd definitely shine in our current side and it was none of his fault that we managed only one title during his spell. Hell, look at the midfield he had behind his back for most of his time here.
Aguero's role at his club is very similar to Rooney's. If he was a winger, I wouldn't argue, but IMO a star striker is not a priority for the club.
Rooney - Berbatov/Macheda/Welbeck is our long term strike force. It would be nice to add a proven goal poacher that will easily step up if Berbatov or Rooney are injured/rested; But spending £45m on a striker ... I don't think that's the right thing to do.
Rooney - Berbatov/Macheda/Welbeck is our long term strike force. It would be nice to add a proven goal poacher that will easily step up if Berbatov or Rooney are injured/rested; But spending £45m on a striker ... I don't think that's the right thing to do.
I'm thinking the plan is to have 3 main players rotating the 2 positions, striker and supporting forward/attacking central midfield. Rooney, Berbatov and Tevez could play in both positions (although not ideal as out and out strikers) but I think SAF prefers the interchange and fluency between attacking players and a Rooney, Berbatov and Aguero trio could do this better than with Tevez. Let's face it, Aguero would be a hell of an upgrade from Tevez.
First, I think the entire philosophy of the team was in the process of changing when he arrived, and was nearer the end than the beginning of that revolution when he left. From the early days of Veron/Ruud when we sought to move towards a 451/4411 from out traditional 442 (and all the angst that brought with it), which often meant he was isolated, a role he was ideal for, in the circumstances. There were changes like Beckham leaving, and replacing him with a callow winger entirely unlike Beckham (in both his abilities and his attitude), and Ole. As we attempted to concentrate on ball retention more and more, a striker who could hold the ball up like Ruud was invaluable. And so it proved, IMO. His hold up play got progressively better in his time with us, and he was a great outlet.
At his best, Ruud didn't limit us, as we couldn't play the way we do now. That's taken years of experimentation and trial-and-error(which will arguably recommence now we've lost the focus of our current system) during which he kept the show on the road single-handedly at times. In those days we didn't have a Ronaldo or a Rooney. He was mobile enough, at least earlier in his time with us. As he got older, he became somewhat less so, but I think that had a little more to do with his attitude towards the club/manager at that point than any limitations he might or might not have had.
I don't think we sought to replace like for like because the players we had simply wouldn't have allowed for the system and still brought the best out of the players at out disposal. Ronaldo and Rooney were coming into their own, and to allow them to involve themselves wherever they felt they could do damage, we needed less of a focal point, and more of a floating striker, and one who would involve himself. We no longer had wingers concerned mainly with getting to the byline, and as such, we had moved away from playing to his strengths somewhat. Also, once you've had Ruud as an out-and-out striker, most others tend to pale in comparison. Buying like-for-like to the required standard may have required too many compromises/financial hardships.
I don't think out reliance on Ruud was based on his abilities(or lack thereof) as much as the limitations of the players behind him. At the time he was at his best we variously had a waning Roy Keane, Veron, DjembaX2, Kleberson, Liam Miller and various others, not to mention the likes of Bellion racing down the right wing before falling over in a heap to mass groans among the fans. If he was to be transplanted-at his peak-into today's team, I have no doubt we'd instantly be both a better team, and just as attractive to watch.
I agree with your assessment of Van Nistelrooy, the attacking movement was a lot more limited back then- 'get it to Ruud in the box.'
Iirc RVN went almost 100 games without scoring from outside the box.
Utter bollocks, Scholes and Giggs had record goalscoring seasons with Ruud in the side, Ole was successful both as a striker and a winger. Ruud didn't effect our flexibility, average to shit players like Djemba-Djemba, Kleberson, Blanc and Fortune did. There was also the key player in our success from 99 to 2001, Keano, getting old
This is probably the key point and I can only agree with you. I'd rather see us spend £40m on a 21-year old extremely highly rated youngster (be it Aguero or Benzema) than £20m each on two just above average players.
We have to live with those fees mentioned. The market has gone crazy due to Real and City throwing around money and - it seems to be forgotten from time to time - the weak pound. Just 1 1/2 years ago the £80m for Ronaldo would have been around 120m Euros, now it's 'only' 94m. Same goes for the young talents, Atletico (seem to) demand around 50m Euros for Aguero... would you be willing to pay £30-35m for him, and not £45m? I bet most would. The strong Euro doesn't really help our transfer business.
Agree, if we want the talent we have to pay the going rate now, not what it was 2 years ago.
If we are going to spend big then it's better to buy talented young players who will will either give us our moneys worth or at least have a large resale value. City spending 25m on Eto'o at 28 isn't money well spent in the long term. Obviously his talent makes that a pretty reasonable amount but if they end up getting 2 good seasons out of him, with wages included, then it'll have cost them near 20 million a season with no sell on value.
Benzema and Aguero are good buys in that respect, just hope we get one of them.
I think it was a combination of things. When Ruud just arrived, we had a team capable of creating plenty and he was more than just a goalscoring forward. As years went by we had a weaker team and he was spending more and more time in the box.
I think we're going to sign Aguero fairly soon.
Hopefully.
Hopefully.
Joga is the new voice of knowledge, sorry brwned had to pass the crown
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