I can see this happening.
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I can see this happening.
I will be stunned if we dont sign a goalscorer. ye cant lose 2 and replace them with one winger and expect to progress particularly as the rumours say Fergie is possibly letting Macheda go out on loan
By the time we signed Saha in January 04 we'd spent £38 million
You're just digging yourself an even bigger hole mate.
Of course Rooney wasn't world class when we signed him.
World class ability doesn't mean you're a world class player. If that were the case then Adriano's still world class.
The difference then though we had enough cover to compensate for Veron's sale and Beckham had already been replaced by Solskjaer in the team oh and we signed his long term replacement that summer in Ronaldo
If we go into next season without replacing Ronaldo and Tevez we could be screwed, fair enough replace Ronaldo with Valencia in terms of position but we need a striker not only to replace Tevez in a positional sense but also the goals that he and Ronaldo combined produced or at least some of them
When has Adriano ever been world class or even showed signs of being so? He's always striked me as a big lump kinda like a poorer version of Drogba
I wouldn't mind getting this bloke. However that is only on the basis of seeing him in about 5 games. One of which he single handedly raped Barcelona's defence, or was it Madrids?
He was world class for two years, the year he left Parma mid-season to Inter and the year after.
That's besides the point, Ronaldinho's a different example, and he was definitely world class.
He was league-for-league one of the best in the world for about 2 years, and him and Mutu were NASTY good together.
He was league-for-league one of the best in the world for about 2 years, and him and Mutu were NASTY good together.
Isn't his main problem alcoholism?
And Mutu's on blow.
What a dangerous strikeforce they were, both on and off the pitch
I'm actually getting quite concerned over something now, after seeing prices of 50 million branded around for Aguero I think it may be a possibility that we had no deals in place at all before Madrid pushed the market prices into over-drive. Now this suggests Sir Alex didn't expect Ronaldo to leave - but surely not? Surely he knew what was in place and if this is true it's a severe oversight that we had no deals in place before the market understood we have a massive bounty to spend with. If of couse, Sir Alex really did want any high profile player, ala Benzema, Ribery, Aguero etc etc.
Alternatively this really might suggest Sir Alex will place his trust in the youth and or go for less expensive targets, I suppose time will tell, but with the prices being thrown around at the players we are linked with its crazy - this transfer market is going to get very, very interesting and no matter what, it's going to be an amazing, dramatic season ahead.
I just seriously hope we either have a deal in place because if Sir Alex does want a high profile player with the world knowing we're rich, rich I tells ya - were going to pay big.
Alternatively this really might suggest Sir Alex will place his trust in the youth and or go for less expensive targets, I suppose time will tell, but with the prices being thrown around at the players we are linked with its crazy - this transfer market is going to get very, very interesting and no matter what, it's going to be an amazing, dramatic season ahead.
I just seriously hope we either have a deal in place because if Sir Alex does want a high profile player with the world knowing we're rich, rich I tells ya - were going to pay big.
Better and younger than Benzema ^^
The market was always going to be inflated, but not because of Madrid, they were the first to actually get a move done.
City has done this, and yeah some folks will laugh at the comedy but their rumored targets and attempts to snip up Kaka in January really set the standard for the market.
Which was once a 30 million plateau for world-class players had increased to 50, such a jump will damage the market and force teams to sell their assets before there's no longer a market.
You look at the prices for Ibrahimovic, Aguero, Benzema, Ribery, De Rossi, etc etc etc, we're looking at a combined 200+ Million easily for these 5 players... in the past, the likes wouldn't even come close to 150.
You look at the deals for Rooney, Torres, etc, it's almost unimaginable that we've reached this point in football transfer action.
Adriano was unplayable at his best. Similar physical attributes to Drogba, perhaps not quite as good in holding up the ball, but with notably better finishing.
In terms of Aguero, he's one hell of a prospect. But he's still a fair distance away from being a "world class" striker. What a lot of people don't realise is just how much more Atletico rely on Forlan who is the real star of that team.
Cant see it myself.
What was the boss supposed to do? Negotiate Futures for players in January?
Aguero is a world class talent, there is no doubting that. But £45m just seems too excessive for us to pay, even if we have just sold Ronaldo for £80m and have the funds in place to do such a deal. I mean we where baulking at the Berbatov fee for months and it took a last minute deal to push it through.
If the quoted prices are that it would take around £35m for Benzema and around £45m for Aguero. I'd sooner spend £10m less on Benzema, and use that money towards a winger.
I think these prices are getting ridiculous though, that is why we are trying to aquire talent younger. Like Fabio, Rafael, Petrucci and Macheda.
If the quoted prices are that it would take around £35m for Benzema and around £45m for Aguero. I'd sooner spend £10m less on Benzema, and use that money towards a winger.
I think these prices are getting ridiculous though, that is why we are trying to aquire talent younger. Like Fabio, Rafael, Petrucci and Macheda.
The means of signing the four you mentioned are always going to be in dispute, because we've avoided our moral standards in a way.
As for your prices, it's the bold difference between last year and this... Benzema for 20-25 Million seemed like a realistic booking, and now? He won't go for any less than 40.
Alot of it is based on potential, which is why we over-paid for the likes of Anderson and Nani, who now though in the scheme of things look bargains if they develop.
Hell, Rooney for 30+ looks like a steal now.
A really huge if
Would love to see him with us. And aren't some of you being conservative on the price just for the sake of it?
If we've got money to spend and the club of the player Fergie wants (not necessarily agüero) says that he costs this and that, then why not pay what we have to pay?
Transfer fees are a too big a concern for supporters imo. Berba's main downfall in some peoples eyes this season
If we've got money to spend and the club of the player Fergie wants (not necessarily agüero) says that he costs this and that, then why not pay what we have to pay?
Transfer fees are a too big a concern for supporters imo. Berba's main downfall in some peoples eyes this season
It is, but it shows the price that has to be paid in today's football market for a risk.
Among the (potentially) world class players that would fit in our squad (Benzema, Ribery, Aguero, Villa), who we bring in will depend mostly on who wants to come here. We are probably keeping our options open at the moment while simultaneously pursuing 3 or 4 possibilities. If none of them pan out, I would be surprised, but it wouldn't be the end of the world. At that point, we might take step down and start looking more closely at people like Vucinic who are still very good but not world class. We will certainly be buying at least one striker + Valencia and maybe Costa.
The advantage with Aguero is that if he decides he wants to come here, then there is nothing his club can do about it since we will be able to cover the buyout clause. In this strange market, 45 million pounds isn't so outrageous.
Ok this is stupid. We are Manchester United, one of the largest clubs in the world, if not the largest commercially. We have to be succesful on the pitch, we must compete for the league, Champions League and FA Cup. W cannot expect to seriously do that signing only Valencia when we've just lost 2 of last season most influencial players. If it cost's 10-15 million more to get in the required player this summer then so be it, we can't afford to wait, beside which the prize money alone makes it a worthwhile move. We've always be a prudent club but this summer we need to be decisive and get the right players in. I would be quite happy with 3 lesser known or rated players, for example, Valencia, Costa and Vucinic, but regardless of who comes in we can't be negative and over cautious or we'll get overtaken.
It's an important summer, very important.
It's an important summer, very important.
Sounds like a week before Torres moved.
"Not for sale" = Up the ante you cnuts.
"Not for sale" = Up the ante you cnuts.
Doesn't matter what the club says as long as the player wants to come and we are willing to match the buy-out clause. The problem is whether or not the player wants to come here.
Why is everyone acting as thought we have to have someone signed right now or else we are not getting anyone at all. The transfer window has not even opened yet.
I am sure the club is working on something if not a few things.
I am sure the club is working on something if not a few things.
£12.46? You taking the piss? I could go to ASDA any time I want, the egg cress and ham baguettes there have a £2.40 buyout clause you cnuts.
"2 B.L.T's, a coke, a fanta and 2 bags of walkers cheese & onion please"
I really hope we go nowhere near his Buy-out clause.. As for him being interested I dunno.. I have read many stories in the past claiming he would like to move to Real Madrid... And now since they have officially given up on Villa.. I see a very small bracket of players that they can get/want.. I would only put the names of Aguero, Zlatan, Adebayor & Benzema in that bracket..
I personally think they should not sign another striker and stick with the strikers they have i.e Higuain, Raul, Ruud & Huntelaar.. and it surely seems like they will be playing a 4-2-3-1 with or without Ribery & Villa..
I am not against us signing Aguero but I think he is not what we need.. Mind I would probably be very very happy if we did.. But I just CANNOT see it happening..
Really not sure I agree with that.
The season just passed, yeah Forlan was the star of the show time and again, but then the season before they were more reliant on Aguero I think.
Look, I'll admit that assigning someone with the label, "world class", is not exactly an empirical science. It's largely subjective, and it's almost always arguable, but there are certain indicators that most people look for.
Having great talent is not usually enough to warrant the label of world class, even if you are considered as one of the most talented players in the world. Plenty of players have been extremely talented throughout football history, but have been unable to express that talent when it really mattered. Ricardo Quaresma is possibly more "talented" than Ronaldo, but only one of them can be considered as anywhere near world class. There has to be certain standards that a player reaches before most people are prepared to consider them as being one of the top 5 or 10 players in the world — or one of the top 2 or 3 players in their position — which is what world class essentially means.
Lots of players have looked potentially world class at clubs that never compete within the top echelons of world football, so the real deciding factor has to be whether they can replicate their form, and express their undoubted ability, in the pressure moments of the biggest games — usually at one one of the biggest clubs in the world, and in the later stages of the Champions League (and often for more than one season, as well), as well as/or in the later stages of one of the major international tournaments.
Whether that is always fair or not, is arguable, but you'll find that it is usually only those players that are, not simply talked about as being one of the best, but are thought to have confirmed it.
So, I suppose that it's fine to talk about a player having world class talent — i.e. being one of the most talented strikers/midfielders/etc in the world — although I'd still argue that point where Agüero is concerned, as he is still only 21 years old, and has had 2 years at Atlético where he has a goal ratio of 1-in-2, which is undoubtedly impressive. But to consider him as a world class player is going to require him to move to a bigger club, and to compete at the very highest level, either with that new club, or with the Argentinian national team. Otherwise, there will always be that nagging doubt in peoples minds about whether he can really reproduce the Atlético form, and affect the biggest games of players career. We'll see.
"2 B.L.T's, a coke, a fanta and 2 bags of walkers cheese & onion please"
Gill looks pretty mean actually. I bet he's quite a good negotiator.
Perhaps, although I'd say Aguero and Forlan were on more of a similar level in 2007/08, whereas Forlan this season has moved up to a level that Aguero has only reached in fits and starts. I'm not slagging off Aguero, because I think he's a superb talent with lovely technique, more bigging up Forlan really.
We still were short of strikers, barely had a proper right-footed winger, had only one creative midfielder, and defence could have been stronger too. In fact we used a good part of that money next year on Rooney, Smith and Heinze who cost £40m total. We just didn't want to spend that straightaway because we knew the prices would have been inflated due to us being seemingly rich.
I'd say we are better equipped this season. We signed a striker next season and have a couple of young promising strikers at the club, so we should be fine after Tevez's departure. Ronaldo contributed heavily to our recent success but if you look at his position we have players that can play there (Tosic, Park, Nani, maybe Giggs) and another one will arrive soon (Ljajic) so I don't think Ferguson will be rushing to bring in a replacement.
And that's about £20m short of our budget that was said to be around £60m (£40m from sales and £20m of annual transfer kitty). Plus we signed Saha in January as you pointed out and his acquisition covers £13m of that £38m.
We never really went for established players who could replace our departing ones at the time, I doubt we will do it this year either although you may think Fergie has learned that he cannot soften a blow like that without spending.
As long as it's not with Daniel Levy........
I've got reservations about Aguero, not his talent obviously, but how he will fit in.
Because although he's often compared to the free-scoring striker Romario, Aguero himself doesn't really consider himself a striker, and prefers the withdrawn forward role than Rooney plays.
Because although he's often compared to the free-scoring striker Romario, Aguero himself doesn't really consider himself a striker, and prefers the withdrawn forward role than Rooney plays.
we definitely do not need another supporting forward, not with Berbs and Rooney in the squad. We need an out and out fecking knife edge of a forward, someone like Marlon King
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