Pogba needs to up his game, or he is very much replaceable. I am struggling to think why we need him so badly if we get 2 good attacking mids. All world class technique but doesn't produce world class performances consistently.
Sergej Milinkovic Savic
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Pogba needs to up his game, or he is very much replaceable. I am struggling to think why we need him so badly if we get 2 good attacking mids. All world class technique but doesn't produce world class performances consistently.
I saw people fearing he plays the same position as Poggers.
He also spends a lot of time on the right side.
I watched a lot of the Lazio games as one of my old friends plays for them(Radu Stefan). What I like about the guy is that he has a big brain, spots some outrageous passes and adjusts his position depending on how the opponents line up, with 2 DM's or 1 DM. When they have one DM it seems to me that he drifts more towards the right side. (maybe because that's stronger as well, dunno).
After consistently watching him all season(2 times live as well vs fcsb) I'd say he's worth the effort, easily, beast of a player.
The only downside is that he's a creator for Lazio and is spared a lot of his defensive duties. In England he'd need to defend more, a lot more.
He's also good in the air and good with his chest, kind of like Felli but in a more elegant and hairless way. But his tackles, dunno, he always seems to have a strange angle on them and not really stick his leg in.
He also spends a lot of time on the right side.
I watched a lot of the Lazio games as one of my old friends plays for them(Radu Stefan). What I like about the guy is that he has a big brain, spots some outrageous passes and adjusts his position depending on how the opponents line up, with 2 DM's or 1 DM. When they have one DM it seems to me that he drifts more towards the right side. (maybe because that's stronger as well, dunno).
After consistently watching him all season(2 times live as well vs fcsb) I'd say he's worth the effort, easily, beast of a player.
The only downside is that he's a creator for Lazio and is spared a lot of his defensive duties. In England he'd need to defend more, a lot more.
He's also good in the air and good with his chest, kind of like Felli but in a more elegant and hairless way. But his tackles, dunno, he always seems to have a strange angle on them and not really stick his leg in.
Haha...it was just a typo..nothing more. But I like the way u think.
I am not quite sure about that one. I know for a fact that the family that owns Watford, they also own a team in Italy and a team in Spain.
SMS is good but I think we will be better if we have a player like Veratti/Thiago/Jorginho sitting alongside Matic and Pogba. SMS playing and doing same thing as Pogba will be little more redundant. As Pogba, SMS can be a little more casual and sometimes his passing is wayward.
And SMS-Matic-Pogba will be little risky in the bigger matches, with two players who naturally tend to play advanced positions.
The guy is a beast, and he got the looks of a warrior. I dont really care if he is as fancy as Pogba, but the guy looks formidable. Him and Toby will really make me happy for starters.
While that's true, If Pogba is injured/can't play/bad form then we're back to square one. We need more options and having SMS isn't a bad thing. City manage to rotate Gundogan/KDB/Silva and i'm sure we can rotate Pogba/SMS +1 no problems too.
We need a Carrick (Fred/Jorginho?) and another goalscorer/assister in SMS to really round the squad IMO.
I'd like to see us go for someone like Rakitic. Class
Maybe but hes nowhere near Pogba creatively.
Hmm. He's not really the type of midfielder we have the biggest need for. He seems very similar to Pogba. For €90m or whatever he'll go for he'll be a bit too expensive to just be competition for Pogba. Not sure if we could play both at the same time.
I think he is past it
If Lazio qualifies for the champions league then i highly doubt they will sell him.So this topic will become a non starter.
I want us to sign him, not going to lie. I'd prefer if he wasn't a Pogba replacement but if he is it's not like it will be the end of the world.
But scored more this season than Pogba has in a season. Both attacking midfielders best in a 3, Pogba is a better passer but MS seems more of a goal scorer.
£90m will change their mind.
Having said that, I don't see how he and Pogba work in the same midfield unless we change formation
He did play quite a bit as a forward this season or out on the left
So that's Pogba off to Real then
Rakitic will definitely improve us.
Think Pogba is off ,which is a shame ,if this lad comes in.
If this guy comes in, that would mean Pogba is off there’s simply no universe where we can spend that type of money on a player that doesn’t really complement our midfield knowing our deficiencies in other positions too.
I have no formula for the calculus that goes into the mathematics of fitting him and Pogba into the same midfield.
But after the PTSD lingering from the Cleverly/Gibson/Ando midfield years, I have no qualms about overspending there.
But after the PTSD lingering from the Cleverly/Gibson/Ando midfield years, I have no qualms about overspending there.
Imagine us being a bit spoilt for riches in the attacking midfielder department after the years of dross. I think if we get him, we'll still keep Pogba too, at least for a year or so. His brand is too important if nothing else.
Any Serbian posters tell us if there is much about this in the media? any new information. Basically what's the Serbian media's view on the chances of Savic joining United?
Why's that ?
Nah Lazio will take the money...
Check this out if you have time,
Overview
> plays in Lazio’s counter attacking system
> a deep lying target man
> works defensively to help the team gain control of the ball and then makes his runs up the field
> dominant on the ball/in battles and a high work rate/motor
> very hard to get the ball off him and just as talented with the ball at his feet as he is aerially
> makes the simple, efficient, impactful plays which you often times don’t see the likes of Pogba make who holds on the ball and end up losing / a quick thinker
Most through balls in SeriaA:
Luis Alberto (21)
Mertens (15)
SMS (12)
Insigne (12)
Berardi (12)
Dribbles per game comparisons:
Keita (3.0)
Dembele (2.9)
Pogba (2.5)
SMS (1.7)
KDB (1.6)
Most outside the box goals in SerieA:
Dybala (5)
SMS (4)
Pjanic (4)
Suso (4)
Torreira (4)
He plays LCM & RCM - LCM more times at Lazio due to managers decision/squad limitations but he is much more comfortable at RCM having had more impressive performances there. Could easily play RCM sandwiched between Pogba (LM) and Matic (CDM).
...honestly speaking he’s the perfect linkup CM for Pogba and Matic/CDM. He is a true central midfielder with a variety of tools who covers tons of ground, supporting defensively as a pure box-to-box and exceptional at going up field to create offense making team plays. Very much a modern day midfielder who can do it all and scored double digit goals (14) this year. Could very well become the best in the world. A rare talent who does many things exceptionally.
Here’s what one user posted online:
Sergej Milinković-Savić has become one of the most elite and well rounded midfielders in Italy. His game is similar to that of Radja Nainggolan, the most underrated box-to-box midfielder in Europe .
Savic's biggest advantage is his physicality , weighing close to 190 pounds and a height of 190+ cm .
This helps him achieve one of the highest win percentages in aerial duels across Europe. It also means he is a threat from set pieces .
He has an extremely raw defensive game, attempting an extremely high number of tackles . And often hurting the opposition player in the process.
But he must not be confused as a Bakayoko or a Casemiro who just put in aggressive tackles the whole match and do little else. He has a good sense of positioning and has a solid number of interceptions and tackles every game. Lazio play a risky 3-5-2 and often depend on Savic to put in a last ditch tackle or interception.
What is surprising about Savic is his incredible dribbling ability and speed for his size. This might be due to the fact that he was born in Spain and developed his craft there.
Defenders find it extremely hard to push him off the ball and if they go too hard on him , he has the technical ability to wriggle away much like an Aboubakar or a Bale.
He also has really good quarterback precision in long passing and surprisingly strong well timed through passing ability plus is obviously strong in holding up the ball .
His finishing ability is underrated and has a banger of a right foot that helps in scoring from range.
Coming to his weaknesses, his decision making is questionable . He isn't completely press resistant. Often makes pathetic choices and his short passing ability is questionable. Perhaps why he won't be successful as an attacking midfielder .
However his release clause stands at around 65 million so I expect him to be at a PL club next season.
I see Savic becoming one of the greatest midfielders of our generation if he continues to add little things to his game, like composure, decision making etc,. Add this to his considerable physique, stamina, pace, strength,. he might just be better than Pogba.
Savic's biggest advantage is his physicality , weighing close to 190 pounds and a height of 190+ cm .
This helps him achieve one of the highest win percentages in aerial duels across Europe. It also means he is a threat from set pieces .
He has an extremely raw defensive game, attempting an extremely high number of tackles . And often hurting the opposition player in the process.
But he must not be confused as a Bakayoko or a Casemiro who just put in aggressive tackles the whole match and do little else. He has a good sense of positioning and has a solid number of interceptions and tackles every game. Lazio play a risky 3-5-2 and often depend on Savic to put in a last ditch tackle or interception.
What is surprising about Savic is his incredible dribbling ability and speed for his size. This might be due to the fact that he was born in Spain and developed his craft there.
Defenders find it extremely hard to push him off the ball and if they go too hard on him , he has the technical ability to wriggle away much like an Aboubakar or a Bale.
He also has really good quarterback precision in long passing and surprisingly strong well timed through passing ability plus is obviously strong in holding up the ball .
His finishing ability is underrated and has a banger of a right foot that helps in scoring from range.
Coming to his weaknesses, his decision making is questionable . He isn't completely press resistant. Often makes pathetic choices and his short passing ability is questionable. Perhaps why he won't be successful as an attacking midfielder .
However his release clause stands at around 65 million so I expect him to be at a PL club next season.
I see Savic becoming one of the greatest midfielders of our generation if he continues to add little things to his game, like composure, decision making etc,. Add this to his considerable physique, stamina, pace, strength,. he might just be better than Pogba.
First 4 mins my thoughts were about the horrible defending and an even worse goal keeping. Not saying how he is but he seems to have too much time and space to play in that league. It won't be like that in PL
I thought the same when Mohamed Salah joined Pool last summer. Sometimes you have discard league stereotypes and evaluate the player by himself.
I just don't see how a player like this works with Pogba.
We need agent Matic on this ASAP.
Those of us who haven't seen him play on a regular basis (hopefully) know not to fall into the Youtube highlight trap but what those highlight reels can show is a player's ceiling and he does some special things on the pitch. Can he play in the Herrera role along side Pogba or is he more of a drifting playmaker?
Was it against City where Pogba played basically as a 10 and was very good? Unless Pogba is leaving, I wouldn't be surprised to see us go for a diamond with Pogba playing behind the striker next to Sanchez and a midfield 3 of Matic/Savic and a DLP. For that to work we would really need to improve the fullbacks though as it would be the only width we'd have.
He’s not much of an attacking midfielder if at all.
He can play the Herrera role being much more talented but makes runs up as a target man. He doesn’t stay forward like an attacking midfield, he actually does the opposite stationing at CM/defensively and working to get the ball where he then makes a run on the counter if the opportunity presents itself. Like Pogba’s game/sense is to move upfield regularly, SMS doesn’t. He’ll go up when need be or if it makes sense for the team. He’s not entitled to and has awareness in that sense.
...how José adores Fellaini by playing him as a target man tactically, SMS does that everyday and is starter material. Unlike Fellaini, SMS is infinitely more talented and technically gifted and not limited to being called upon for a specific moment/role. He can be a target man if need be but otherwise can put in tons of work as is.
Is he better than Keita?
So essentially a Christmas tree formation.
---------------Lukaku-------------
----------Pogba----Sanchez------
-------SMS----Matic----Fred-----
Sandro----Toby----Bailly-----TFM
----------------DDG---------------
I wouldnt trust much in main outlets in Serbia, latests they just rehashed some news from France and PSG. There maybe is some Serbian journo on twitter or so who is tight with Kezman but i personally didnt hear anything.
Well, Serbian players turns into bunch of "woohoo we are on vocation" cnuts the moment they put national team shirt on. Also there is yet unknown views of whole squad when it comes to sacking of ex national coach Muslin ( he got a sack because of not calling Savic into national team).
Hope i am wrong but with my experience, in words of Lord Buckethead, its going to be a shit show.
Everyone is aware that Serbia have not got it together at a major tournament, don't think anyone sensible will be expecting much from SMS in the World Cup especially considering he was not picked in qualification.
Totally different players really, I don’t think it’s right to compare them.
Great player but would be wasted in the system we play. He is best at driving forward, quick link ups and picking out runners ahead of him. At United all he will do is drive forward pass it to Valencia who will hesitate for 10minutes or Rashford who will cut inside beat his man but then cut back out. I think Savic and Pogba can work with Matic behind them against smaller teams but we really need to work on movement. If Pogba is going then Savic is the only player on the planet that has anywhere near the skill Pogba does in terns of being a complete midfield powerhouse. I wouldn't be upset with Pogba- Verrati&Meunier swap. And bringing in Savic.