Serge Aurier | Spurs player

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Adnan said:
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Did a little digging...

Cant find the L'Équipe article
But strangely Aurier is following @parisUnited on twitter, not that its strange he is following them. I called it BS news from ParisUnited, surely he would of said something if it was untrue or unfollowed or something if there was nothing in it. He dont seem like the type to keep stum.
 
Klopp_De_Klown said:
Did a little digging...

Cant find the L'Équipe article
But strangely Aurier is following @parisUnited on twitter, not that its strange he is following them. I called it BS news from ParisUnited, surely he would of said something if it was untrue or unfollowed or something if there was nothing in it. He dont seem like the type to keep stum.
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Yeah he's followed them for a while.
 
Adnan said:
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ok found the story,

The gist of it is, PSG have a few months ago applied for naturalisation for Aurier. Thus making it easier to enter the UK as an EU citizen. For now anyway

In the process of transfer, the Ivorian, is in a complex legal situation and has contractual agreements with Tottenham, Juventus and Inter Milan.

to know more i have to subscribe, which i didn't.
https://www.lequipe.fr/Football/Article/Aurier-coulisses-d-un-depart-annonce/825788

Thats the link incase you have subscriptions
 
Why would we even be in for him? We have plenty of fullbacks and he just does not seem like a United kind of player.. lets keep the squad as it is, and look to build combinations and settle everyone into the plan for the season..
 
tekkers3 said:
Why would we even be in for him? We have plenty of fullbacks and he just does not seem like a United kind of player.. lets keep the squad as it is, and look to build combinations and settle everyone into the plan for the season..
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Our only nailed on starter at either FB spot is into his 30's and relies a good deal on his pace.

Makes perfect sense unless you think one of the kiddos are ready to deputize...which doesn't seem to be the case given the TFM loan.
 
tekkers3 said:
Why would we even be in for him? We have plenty of fullbacks and he just does not seem like a United kind of player.. lets keep the squad as it is, and look to build combinations and settle everyone into the plan for the season..
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We literally have 1 attacking fullback in the team and he's on the wrong side 30. God forbid, if Valencia gets injured or suspended, our wing play will basically be dead.

What do you mean by he doesn't seem like a United player anyway?
 
Report just released that Valencia gets iced up regularly to cope with a nagging knee injury to maintain his form.

Said the following in that thread which is also applicable here so just going to repost it:




Valencia pours his heart for this team. It's a shame however the rate at which his pace is burning him out.

I'd say he has 2 more seasons (this year and next) before he begins to fall off a cliff. He's not a world beater by any means but considering the circumstances of our defence and specifically the flanks, he's very valuable to us despite just being sound overall and nothing special. Why I desperately hope Aurier is able to clear his case and United make the move official; Paris United (as credible a source there is for all things PSG related) have confirmed numerous times United and Aurier have an agreement in place and are just awaiting his trial. Getting him would mean 1. an absolute bargain buy (just £25M !!) and 2. having a comfy time frame to integrate Aurier as Valencia's successor aka the next starter. Wouldn't allow us to be backed up in a corner in a few years time when we're desperate to look for a last second replacement and where teams will naturally inflate their prices knowing our position of weakness.


...everything makes too much sense not to happen. TFM on loan, Valencia up there in age (32) and beginning to break down, and the Aurier rumours/reports. The stars are aligning imho and the quality of Aurier is unquestionable. Plus the track record José has working with defenders, I have absolute certainty this would be a game changing signing for many many years and one which would help United get to the next level.
 
Now the Valencia case being made clear, I think this is a no brainer. We're walked NT a hair line with Valencia injury. A potential good RB at decent price is reasonable given Valencia age, let alone this knee injury.

So basically, the situation is they, Aurier's legal team is trying delay the trial, so he can finalize his French naturalization so in the end he can obtain U.K work permit regardless the future outcome of the trial. I am getting it correct?
 
ti vu said:
Now the Valencia case being made clear, I think this is a no brainer. We're walked NT a hair line with Valencia injury. A potential good RB at decent price is reasonable given Valencia age, let alone this knee injury.

So basically, the situation is they, Aurier's legal team is trying delay the trial, so he can finalize his French naturalization so in the end he can obtain U.K work permit regardless the future outcome of the trial. I am getting it correct?
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Well yes but as a, now new French/EU citizen, and as of yet, the UK is still a part of the EU. Entry into the UK would be no problem and he should be able work, no problem. But I'd not be sure what paperwork he'd need currently if any. But it would be more a formality as an EU citizen than his current situation where he needs to apply for actual permission. Also after brexit comes into effect the UK is currently looking for a bilateral deal for its citizens living in the EU and EU citizens in the UK. So there is not going to be a work permit issue even after brexit comes into full effect.

All based on IF he gets naturalisation. But as he has lived in France since being a child and comes from what would be an old French colony. He should get it however the court case is still an issue in this. It would count against him.
 
It was always going to be impossible for Valencia to play 60-70 games this season, its now looking like 40-50 games will be a tall order for him.

Aurier would have been ideal for us, as would Mendy at LB.
Both of these positions and players should have been very high on our list of targets, but I get the feeling that we will 'make do' with what we already have, and we'll see another season of Blind/Darmian coming in to 'do a job'.
 
Wouldnt be surprised if the supposed interest from Spurs is just agent talk to force Utd into moving for him.
 
Organic Potatoes said:
Our only nailed on starter at either FB spot is into his 30's and relies a good deal on his pace.

Makes perfect sense unless you think one of the kiddos are ready to deputize...which doesn't seem to be the case given the TFM loan.
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Z_Wolf said:
We literally have 1 attacking fullback in the team and he's on the wrong side 30. God forbid, if Valencia gets injured or suspended, our wing play will basically be dead.

What do you mean by he doesn't seem like a United player anyway?
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I am sorry but Darmian is clearly good enough to be at least a back up to Valencia - because that is all Aurier would be. Darmian has shown he can do a job, and just because he isnt as attacking as Valencia, doesnt mean he isnt good. And yes, Tuanzebe or Jones could play RB if both get injured. We currently have 4 first team fullbacks (Valencia, Darmian, Shaw, Blind), plus 2 CBs (Rojo and Jones) that can play as fullbacks, plus a youngster for each side (Tuanzebe and Mitchel). That is more than plenty in my view. Hence why TFM can go out on loan and get a full season of minutes, so when he comes back he can compete in the side.

In terms of being a United player, in the past 18 months he has publicly called a team mate a clown and used a homophobic slur towards his manager, as well as assaulting a police officer enough to get a 2 month jail sentence which is pending appeal. Not my kind of United player.
 
I genuinely cannot comprehend the number of people who are saying that Valencia replacements are needed now. He was one of the top 3 players in the squad last season. No one is needed now as we have plenty of fullbacks and if TFM adapts into becoming one, then we will have that covered when he comes back. Right now, the squad is sorted for fullbacks. and centre backs. and central midfielders. we are only light if you think that Martial cannot cover centre forward enough behind Lukaku and Rashford.
 
balaks said:
Wouldnt be surprised if the supposed interest from Spurs is just agent talk to force Utd into moving for him.
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Agreed. He may be a good player but the mentality and his actions are completely different to the kind of player Poch usually goes for. I can only really think of Osvaldo in his time in England where he's gone for a player with this kind of history.
 
tekkers3 said:
I am sorry but Darmian is clearly good enough to be at least a back up to Valencia - because that is all Aurier would be. Darmian has shown he can do a job, and just because he isnt as attacking as Valencia, doesnt mean he isnt good. And yes, Tuanzebe or Jones could play RB if both get injured. We currently have 4 first team fullbacks (Valencia, Darmian, Shaw, Blind), plus 2 CBs (Rojo and Jones) that can play as fullbacks, plus a youngster for each side (Tuanzebe and Mitchel). That is more than plenty in my view. Hence why TFM can go out on loan and get a full season of minutes, so when he comes back he can compete in the side.

In terms of being a United player, in the past 18 months he has publicly called a team mate a clown and used a homophobic slur towards his manager, as well as assaulting a police officer enough to get a 2 month jail sentence which is pending appeal. Not my kind of United player.
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You are way overrating our fulllbacks, of the 4 first team fb's you have mentioned, valencia is reportedly going through some issues which clearly indicate a future injury problem, blind cannot defend well, darmian cannot attack at all, shaw can do both to at a respectable level but sadly loves the treatment table too much to attempt to do his actual job, rojo is one of the worst fb's to have played for utd, jones has injury issues and he is not a good rb, tuanzebe is a young cb who i would like to remain cb as this whole multifunctional gig is what led to likes of smalling and jones turning into nothing worth mentioning, mitchell is untested and given mourinho's record of handling youngsters a highly doubtful go to guy.

Also while aurier has a lot of issues lets not pan him for it as if we have always had a clean team, fergie and his son's activities and the bbc ban is well known, we have had a beloved player kung fu kicking a fan, an ex captain acknowledging that he wanted to injure an opponent player, our current manager has enough misdemeanours on and off the pitch to fill a GRR Martin book.
 
tekkers3 said:
I genuinely cannot comprehend the number of people who are saying that Valencia replacements are needed now. He was one of the top 3 players in the squad last season. No one is needed now as we have plenty of fullbacks and if TFM adapts into becoming one, then we will have that covered when he comes back. Right now, the squad is sorted for fullbacks. and centre backs. and central midfielders. we are only light if you think that Martial cannot cover centre forward enough behind Lukaku and Rashford.
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You can't comprehend people thinking about getting someone in now for a 32 year old? Really? The conception of planning for the future really that alien to you?
 
BigCaine said:
You are way overrating our fulllbacks, of the 4 first team fb's you have mentioned, valencia is reportedly going through some issues which clearly indicate a future injury problem, blind cannot defend well, darmian cannot attack at all, shaw can do both to at a respectable level but sadly loves the treatment table too much to attempt to do his actual job, rojo is one of the worst fb's to have played for utd, jones has injury issues and he is not a good rb, tuanzebe is a young cb who i would like to remain cb as this whole multifunctional gig is what led to likes of smalling and jones turning into nothing worth mentioning, mitchell is untested and given mourinho's record of handling youngsters a highly doubtful go to guy.

Also while aurier has a lot of issues lets not pan him for it as if we have always had a clean team, fergie and his son's activities and the bbc ban is well known, we have had a beloved player kung fu kicking a fan, an ex captain acknowledging that he wanted to injure an opponent player, our current manager has enough misdemeanours on and off the pitch to fill a GRR Martin book.
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^^Agreed^^

Honestly, the way that some of our squad players are over rated, you would think we'd just completed a hattrick of league titles.
We have a large squad mostly consisting of mid table players, which is primarily why we have been finishing outside of the top 4.

Too many square pegs for round holes, can fill in, do a job there.
What this squad has is plenty of versatile 'Jack of all trades' but it lacks quality specialists.
We should always be looking to improve on what we already have, otherwise, why would there even be transfer windows?

I'm glad that someone has made comparisons with Aurier's misdemeanours against some United heroes.
Young man makes stupid mistake on social media.....Wow, let's castigate him for the rest of his life..!!
This 'holier than thou' attitude makes me laugh.
Seriously, how many people can put their hand on their heart and swear they've never said or done anything stupid that they regret..especially on social media..?

As for the policeman incident, any of you guys there to witness it..? No..?
Some of us know from personal experience what complete arse-holes cocky policeman can be.
So don't be too quick to make a judgement when you have seen zero evidence.
 
Ikon said:
^^Agreed^^

Honestly, the way that some of our squad players are over rated, you would think we'd just completed a hattrick of league titles.
We have a large squad mostly consisting of mid table players, which is primarily why we have been finishing outside of the top 4.

Too many square pegs for round holes, can fill in, do a job there.
What this squad has is plenty of versatile 'Jack of all trades' but it lacks quality specialists.
We should always be looking to improve on what we already have, otherwise, why would there even be transfer windows?

I'm glad that someone has made comparisons with Aurier's misdemeanours against some United heroes.
Young man makes stupid mistake on social media.....Wow, let's castigate him for the rest of his life..!!
This 'holier than thou' attitude makes me laugh.
Seriously, how many people can put their hand on their heart and swear they've never said or done anything stupid that they regret..especially on social media..?

As for the policeman incident, any of you guys there to witness it..? No..?
Some of us know from personal experience what complete arse-holes cocky policeman can be.
So don't be too quick to make a judgement when you have seen zero evidence.
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Oh well maybe the Policeman deserved to be elbowed in the face then? That's the natural progression of your argument.
 
This would be a typical Spurs transfer.

Cheap as chips, sign him up to a 10 year contract and slap a £100 million price tag on him two years down the line.
 
balaks said:
Oh well maybe the Policeman deserved to be elbowed in the face then? That's the natural progression of your argument.
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Was in the chest wasn't it? Though I agree with your post.
Coxy said:
You can't comprehend people thinking about getting someone in now for a 32 year old? Really? The conception of planning for the future really that alien to you?
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And see how quick Ivanovic declined at a similar age. They're not the same player, obviously, but once he declined he ended up being a huge weakness for Chelsea.
 
Damien said:
Was in the chest wasn't it? Though I agree with your post.

And see how quick Ivanovic declined at a similar age. They're not the same player, obviously, but once he declined he ended up being a huge weakness for Chelsea.
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You could well be right.
 
Klopp_De_Klown said:
ok found the story,

The gist of it is, PSG have a few months ago applied for naturalisation for Aurier. Thus making it easier to enter the UK as an EU citizen. For now anyway

In the process of transfer, the Ivorian, is in a complex legal situation and has contractual agreements with Tottenham, Juventus and Inter Milan.

to know more i have to subscribe, which i didn't.
https://www.lequipe.fr/Football/Article/Aurier-coulisses-d-un-depart-annonce/825788

Thats the link incase you have subscriptions
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Actually, L'Equipe explains that it's not just a citizenship request issue. I'm not a specialist of UK immigration but they argue that the first step needed by Aurier is French citizenship while the second step is linked to his trial. He appealed the jail sentence but there is no official document so far that confirms the appeal and the suspension of the sentence, which is apparently needed for a visa to enter UK. The third step being a work visa request. Apparently English clubs are monitoring the situation through Romain Vanni, Aurier's lawyer.

Aurier has a five-year contract agreed at 95% with Tottenham. Levy wants an agreement with the player first before negociating the 25M€ fee with PSG. Conte is said to be interested but Chelsea is not moving while the legal situation remains unclear. The Manchester United contact is said to be "unclear" for the player's advisor while United apparently has expressed its interest to PSG through some intermediary. Juventus has made a formal offer to the player, agreed by Aurier, but they do not have the spot for a non-EU player. so they have proposed to by Aurier and loan him five months while they let go one of their foreigners. Inter also has an agreement with Aurier who is considered a priority by Walter Sabatini, they are still considering their options for the transfer (they considered including Joao Mario in the deal at some point but nothing new recently and no offer).
 
Ikon said:
^^Agreed^^

Honestly, the way that some of our squad players are over rated, you would think we'd just completed a hattrick of league titles.
We have a large squad mostly consisting of mid table players, which is primarily why we have been finishing outside of the top 4.

Too many square pegs for round holes, can fill in, do a job there.
What this squad has is plenty of versatile 'Jack of all trades' but it lacks quality specialists.
We should always be looking to improve on what we already have, otherwise, why would there even be transfer windows?

I'm glad that someone has made comparisons with Aurier's misdemeanours against some United heroes.
Young man makes stupid mistake on social media.....Wow, let's castigate him for the rest of his life..!!
This 'holier than thou' attitude makes me laugh.
Seriously, how many people can put their hand on their heart and swear they've never said or done anything stupid that they regret..especially on social media..?

As for the policeman incident, any of you guys there to witness it..? No..?
Some of us know from personal experience what complete arse-holes cocky policeman can be.
So don't be too quick to make a judgement when you have seen zero evidence.
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:lol: yet you've already determined he's an cocky policeman?
 
balaks said:
Oh well maybe the Policeman deserved to be elbowed in the face then? That's the natural progression of your argument.
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Did it actually happen? Did you see it actually happen?
All you have is hearsay, and you have no back story or evidence.
Just because someone is accused, charged or even found guilty, it does not necessarily mean that the incident happened in the way that has been reported.

I can vouch for this from personal experience when I was charged with assaulting a police officer.
5 Police officers swore in court that they saw me punch an officer in the face and knock him out after I had threatened him with a knife.

Fortunately my barrister tore their testimony to shreds and got hold of CCTV from West Ham FC, which proved that they had all lied under oath.
One of the officers was sacked and I won £6,000 in damages from the Met Police.

So all I am saying is, keep an open mind, and don't be too quick to pass judgement.
 
We need to buy him for that price. We can blow them away with wages and Pogba. He is too cheap and good to let it go
 
Ikon said:
Did it actually happen? Did you see it actually happen?
All you have is hearsay, and you have no back story or evidence.
Just because someone is accused, charged or even found guilty, it does not necessarily mean that the incident happened in the way that has been reported.

I can vouch for this from personal experience when I was charged with assaulting a police officer.
5 Police officers swore in court that they saw me punch an officer in the face and knock him out after I had threatened him with a knife.

Fortunately my barrister tore their testimony to shreds and got hold of CCTV from West Ham FC, which proved that they had all lied under oath.
One of the officers was sacked and I won £6,000 in damages from the Met Police.

So all I am saying is, keep an open mind, and don't be too quick to pass judgement.
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Sorry mate I can't agree with this. If you have been convicted in a court of law that means there has been enough evidence put forward that proves you are guilty - the details of which would be well known once the court case is over. If it has been reported that he elbowed a copper then that is what happened because he was convicted of it. Let's not try and make excuses for the guy. Not saying we can't all make mistakes and we can't wise up over time and put it behind us but let's not try and pretend this didn't happen because he is a player you like.

I'm sorry about what happened to you but at the end of the day the case against you collapsed due to the evidence which kinda proves my point.
 
- I have seen more than 80 games. 25 millions is really a bargain when you see:

------------ Mendy for 50 millions. Aurier has a better proven track record in the French League than Mendy who is more inconsistent IMO
------------ Lucas Digne (bench at PSG) joining Barcelona for 20 millions. Aurier is 3 times better than Digne
----------- the other RB: how many players are better than Prime Aurier? 4-5- maybe, I don't see better opportunity in any case

- He will leave because following the PSG's management was looking for experienced players who won the Champions League. PSG fans just think you can't say NO to Dani Alves and it doesn't make sense to have 3 RB. Meunier will be calm on the bench, I'm not sure about Aurier :D

- PSG needs money to satisfy the FFP requirements

- Contrary to players like Thauvin or Cabella, he is made to play in England: powerful, aggressive, offensive (3-5-2 or 4-3-3)... I'm sure he deeply needs to leave France: disproportionate and ridiculous media treatment

- Also, Mourinho is the right man to manage him: he likes to work with strong characters.

- Last but not least, you can't lose money given the potential acquisition price
 
balaks said:
Sorry mate I can't agree with this. If you have been convicted in a court of law that means there has been enough evidence put forward that proves you are guilty.
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We're going off topic, but are you serious?
You never heard of miscarriages of justice?
Vital evidence either being supressed or misinterpreted?
Of Juries or Judges reaching the wrong conclusion?
Surely you cannot believe that every single person ever found guilty in a court of law, is truly guilty?

Now I am not saying this is true in the Aurier case, I'm not saying that at all.
What I am saying is, keep an open mind, as you don't know the full story.
I wouldn't be prepared to castigate someone for the rest of their life for an incident such as this, when there are multiple versions of the events.
 
Ikon said:
Did it actually happen? Did you see it actually happen?
All you have is hearsay, and you have no back story or evidence.
Just because someone is accused, charged or even found guilty, it does not necessarily mean that the incident happened in the way that has been reported.

I can vouch for this from personal experience when I was charged with assaulting a police officer.
5 Police officers swore in court that they saw me punch an officer in the face and knock him out after I had threatened him with a knife.

Fortunately my barrister tore their testimony to shreds and got hold of CCTV from West Ham FC, which proved that they had all lied under oath.
One of the officers was sacked and I won £6,000 in damages from the Met Police.

So all I am saying is, keep an open mind, and don't be too quick to pass judgement.
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Exactly. A police officer is a human being who can lie...

Nobody has been injured and brutal police controls/checks are simply commonplace.

Police offers tend to abuse their authority and power.
 
balaks said:
Sorry mate I can't agree with this. If you have been convicted in a court of law that means there has been enough evidence put forward that proves you are guilty - the details of which would be well known once the court case is over. If it has been reported that he elbowed a copper then that is what happened because he was convicted of it. Let's not try and make excuses for the guy. Not saying we can't all make mistakes and we can't wise up over time and put it behind us but let's not try and pretend this didn't happen because he is a player you like.

I'm sorry about what happened to you but at the end of the day the case against you collapsed due to the evidence which kinda proves my point.
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Doesn't his case actually prove the exact opposite of what you are saying, they went ahead with his case and charged him knowing full well it was faulty evidence and got kicked out because of it while you suggest that since police are charging aurier which means they have great evidence so aurier is guilty.
 
woah ok this is going wildly off-topic and entering a place I don't think any of us want to go. Let's leave it.
 
Coxy said:
You can't comprehend people thinking about getting someone in now for a 32 year old? Really? The conception of planning for the future really that alien to you?
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A 32 year old that is good enough to play most games for at least this season, in a position that we already have depth in, and a young player out on loan who could step into this position when he returns? Yea, I am happy with the current state of the players in this position.
Why is Darmian not part of your consideration? Does he not count as planning for the future? I would hope TFM counts?
I also do not think Aurier as a person is someone you want in the set up, regardless of whether or not he actually did the crime or not, what he definitely did was call out his team mate and coach publicly. Thats not the character I want to see at United.
 
Ikon said:
^^Agreed^^

Honestly, the way that some of our squad players are over rated, you would think we'd just completed a hattrick of league titles.
We have a large squad mostly consisting of mid table players, which is primarily why we have been finishing outside of the top 4.

Too many square pegs for round holes, can fill in, do a job there.
What this squad has is plenty of versatile 'Jack of all trades' but it lacks quality specialists.
We should always be looking to improve on what we already have, otherwise, why would there even be transfer windows?

I'm glad that someone has made comparisons with Aurier's misdemeanours against some United heroes.
Young man makes stupid mistake on social media.....Wow, let's castigate him for the rest of his life..!!
This 'holier than thou' attitude makes me laugh.
Seriously, how many people can put their hand on their heart and swear they've never said or done anything stupid that they regret..especially on social media..?

As for the policeman incident, any of you guys there to witness it..? No..?
Some of us know from personal experience what complete arse-holes cocky policeman can be.
So don't be too quick to make a judgement when you have seen zero evidence.
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I cant comment on Aurier because i just dont know, however i agree 100% with the rest of what you wrote. We need to be continuously improving and evolving. That happens thru player development and upgrades.... v necessary considering our league table finishes.
 
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