Sell Ronaldo, Sign Lennon

MThomas said:
Ofcourse there were a reason for defending him. The English press had made him the main culprit for why England didnt win the world cup. Nor was it an attack, simply said that he was dissapointed, later on he said that he was very greatfull for how the club and ferguson had stood by him.

They didn't...they pointed out that he was a twat. Which he was. There's no reason for your club to step in, especially considering it was a fellow Man Utd teammate he helped get sent off...

It was also quite clearly an attack
 
Dark Devil said:
The FA cup is suddenly very meaningful?

To put things in prespective. Pennant is a washed up jail bird who couldn't make it at Birmingham. Garcia and Riise are better than him, not to mention Gerrard. Where as Carrick is a proven quality Prem player and a big improvement on O'Shea.

I could understand you bragging about your supperior buys in the transfer marke if Rafa had signed Duff for 5 million, but after paying 7 for Pennant you'd do well to shut the feck up.
Agreed. Good post.
 
VanNistelrater said:
Rooney is the best player in the Premiership, Henry probably just behind. Funny that whilst he played for us Van Nistelrooy was just a tap in merchant to yourself, hm?

Henry's is and has been the best player in the league for years. You'd have to be daft to think otherwise....

I've always said RVN is a world class striker....as have you. I'm consistant with my opinion.....

Can't be arsed to read the rest...poor start
 
MrMarcello said:
Carrick was overpriced, as are all hyped English players. But he is a class player where as Pennant is nothing special. Yet Liverpool management felt 6m was a good fee for Pennant. 14m for class vs 6m for shit. Which would you rather invest?

I think you're both over-rating Carrick and under-rating Pennant....
 
Dark Devil said:
The FA cup is suddenly very meaningful?

To put things in prespective. Pennant is a washed up jail bird who couldn't make it at Birmingham. Garcia and Riise are better than him, not to mention Gerrard. Where as Carrick is a proven quality Prem player and a big improvement on O'Shea.

I could understand you bragging about your superior buys in the transfer market if Rafa had signed Duff for 5 million, but after paying 7 for Pennant you'd do well to shut the feck up.

The FA cup has always been meaningful.....don't get me wrong, it doesn't rival the Title or the European Cup (That Rafa won in his first season), but it's always been a great competition...and is valued by all the big English teams

Pennant did make it at Birmingham - didn't you know that? He's a different type of player to what we have on the right.....why on earth would you compare him with our left back?

I'm hardly bragging about our buys, just pointing a few things out to you mancs.

Incidentally, Duff would have been a very good signing for you...
 
Davo said:
Henry's is and has been the best player in the league for years. You'd have to be daft to think otherwise....

I've always said RVN is a world class striker....as have you. I'm consistant with my opinion.....

Can't be arsed to read the rest...poor start
The point is that Ruud isn't what he was and last season we played much better when he was on the bench. It's not about how good he was but about what he gave to the team.
 
Davo said:
I think you're both over-rating Carrick and under-rating Pennant....

Spurs wanted to retain Carrick. Birmingham were very happy to take cash for Pennant. Sums it up nicely.

Carrick is not a world class player. But he'll definitely improve United's midfield. Will be even better if SAF can sign a midfielder that can tackle to partner Carrick and Scholes (4-3-3 probably).

Does Pennant improve Liverpool? That's a big question. He hasn't done much elsewhere.
 
Davo said:
Pennant did make it at Birmingham - didn't you know that?


I've had the misfortune of watching them a lot and i think he has been very average
Takes the wrong options an awful lot of the time (much like our own Ronaldo to be fair)
That said the strikeforce he was servicing was poor but i can't help thinking that the good performances he had against Liverpool (in the league) influenced Rafa to buy him
 
Davo said:
I'm not saying the fee annoys you, just that it's far too much for a player of Carrick's ability. Before he was first linked with you, how much would you have valued him at? No where near what he's gone for...

Our defence is immense. Both as individuals, and more importantly as a unit. I don't know what that list of positions is about, surely not who you think we needed to bring in??

I don't think you'll have a horrible season...although I'm not sure how you're defining "horrible"? You just sounded more confident than some of your fellow ilk that I know....

I don't think you've fixed your midfield...

Most English players are too expensive, as i said, dont think it´s to much for Carrick. When that´s said, i expected us to pay a large amount of money for a top class midfielder.

Your defence isnt that good, it´s being protected by class midfielders, that makes a difference. Strikers: bellamy, crouch and fowler...the list was a list of the positions you needed to cover when the transfer window opened.

Horrible=finishing below liverpool, not reaching the champions league for the next season,going out of the champions league too early. not going far in any of the english tournaments.

We´ve brought in a player that´s proven in the premiership, cant complain about that.
 
Davo said:
Incidentally, Duff would have been a very good signing for you...

Kenyon wouldn't sell a player of Duff's caliber to United. Probably wouldn't sell to Liverpool either. But surely Liverpool management should have put in a bid. He's 100 times better than Pennant. Who cost more than Duff.
 
Dark Devil said:
The point is that Ruud isn't what he was and last season we played much better when he was on the bench. It's not about how good he was but about what he gave to the team.

I don't buy the claim that he's finished

He'll score a lot of goals at Real
 
Davo said:
They didn't...they pointed out that he was a twat. Which he was. There's no reason for your club to step in, especially considering it was a fellow Man Utd teammate he helped get sent off...

It was also quite clearly an attack

They didnt ? ofcourse they did, most of the press had a go at ronaldo, some had a go at rooney for screwing up.Very few had a go at the moron behind everything, svennis.

cant say he was much of a twat for complaining about a teammate getting stamped on his balls.

Wouldnt have been much trouble supporting both players.
 
MrMarcello said:
Spurs wanted to retain Carrick. Birmingham were very happy to take cash for Pennant. Sums it up nicely.

Carrick is not a world class player. But he'll definitely improve United's midfield. Will be even better if SAF can sign a midfielder that can tackle to partner Carrick and Scholes (4-3-3 probably).

Does Pennant improve Liverpool? That's a big question. He hasn't done much elsewhere.

You're right, Carrick is not a world class player....nor is he a £12m plus player. He probably will improve you, but isn't really the type of player you needed. I'd be very surprised if you switch to 4-3-3....won't please your fans if that is the case..

Pennant has been very good for Birmingham...they wanted to keep him, leading to us paying a bit over the odds. We needed a player of his type, and will have to see if Rafa can get the best out of him. Probably
 
Red4Ever said:
I've had the misfortune of watching them a lot and i think he has been very average
Takes the wrong options an awful lot of the time (much like our own Ronaldo to be fair)
That said the strikeforce he was servicing was poor but i can't help thinking that the good performances he had against Liverpool (in the league) influenced Rafa to buy him

He beats his defender for fun, and is a very good crosser. He needs to up his game with us....time will tell if he can
 
Davo said:
I think you're both over-rating Carrick and under-rating Pennant....
Yeah. Pennant's fee is inflated because Brum have to pay Arsenal 25% of the sell on. L'pool are paying a couple of million over the odds not double bubble like Man Utd.
 
Davo said:
The FA cup has always been meaningful.....don't get me wrong, it doesn't rival the Title or the European Cup (That Rafa won in his first season), but it's always been a great competition...and is valued by all the big English teams

Pennant did make it at Birmingham - didn't you know that? He's a different type of player to what we have on the right.....why on earth would you compare him with our left back?

I'm hardly bragging about our buys, just pointing a few things out to you mancs.

Incidentally, Duff would have been a very good signing for you...
Chelski showed exactly how highly they value to FA cup when they fielded likes of Cudicini and Geremi for your semi final tie

Your left back is a better winger than Pennant. Hell even Kewell is better than Pennant. You payed 7m for a squad player where as we played 15m for Carrick who will be a big improvement for our first team. Yes, we probably did ovepay for Carrick, but that's what you have to do if you want a player who's club aren't willing to sell.
 
MThomas said:
Most English players are too expensive, as i said, dont think it´s to much for Carrick. When that´s said, i expected us to pay a large amount of money for a top class midfielder.

Your defence isnt that good, it´s being protected by class midfielders, that makes a difference. Strikers: bellamy, crouch and fowler...the list was a list of the positions you needed to cover when the transfer window opened.

Horrible=finishing below liverpool, not reaching the champions league for the next season,going out of the champions league too early. not going far in any of the english tournaments.

We´ve brought in a player that´s proven in the premiership, cant complain about that.

English players are expensive. Carrick being an excellent example...

Our defence is excellent. Best CB partnership in the league last season, and along with Terry, Carra has been the best CB in the league over the last couple of years. Finnan is class, and Riise had a great season last year.

I'd like to see us sign one more striker...as much due to concerns re Fowler remaining fit for a whole season as anything else.

Good chance of you finishing below us and going out of the CL early(anything other here would be a shock!). Can't see you failing to make top 4
 
Dark Devil said:
Chelski showed exactly how highly they value to FA cup when they fielded likes of Cudicini and Geremi for your semi final tie

Your left back is a better winger than Pennant. Hell even Kewell is better than Pennant. You payed 7m for a squad player where as we played 15m for Carrick who will be a big improvement for our first team. Yes, we probably did ovepay for Carrick, but that's what you have to do if you want a player who's club aren't willing to sell.

It's daft to suggest that Chelsea don't value the FA Cup..

Riise isn't a better winger than Pennant,and it's a stupid comparison...Kewell is when fit.
 
Davo said:
I don't buy the claim that he's finished

He'll score a lot of goals at Real
Even if he does it wouldn't change the fact that we play better with Saha instead of Ruud.
 
MThomas said:
Pennant ? beats his defender for fun ?
Pennants strenghts are good passing and crossing abilety.

Much of the pace he had as a youth player for arsenal seems to have vanished.

Pennant's strengths are staying wide, beating his man and getting a good early cross in. Something we lacked last season
 
Dark Devil said:
Even if he does it wouldn't change the fact that we play better with Saha instead of Ruud.

Based on a few months, whereas RVN has been a success for years

RVN is several classes above Saha
 
Davo said:
Mainoldo said:
Davo said:
It's a subject you know little about, as has been shown many times

I'm glad it's still your main point of attack mind

When it comes to football, or whose actually got the best fans, there is no contest

And we're not American owned....

You as manc fans give a massive feck about Liverpool....

Not only are we your main rivals and more successful than you....we're also not American owned
:lol: The wanker of a Scouser flatters himself:lol:
 
Davo said:
It's daft to suggest that Chelsea don't value the FA Cup..

Riise isn't a better winger than Pennant,and it's a stupid comparison...Kewell is when fit.
If they value the FA cup so much then why did they start the semi final with an experimental side?

How much do you wanna bet that Riise (even if he only plays as a fullback) will get more goals and assists next season than Pennant?
 
Davo said:
English players are expensive. Carrick being an excellent example...

Our defence is excellent. Best CB partnership in the league last season, and along with Terry, Carra has been the best CB in the league over the last couple of years. Finnan is class, and Riise had a great season last year.

I'd like to see us sign one more striker...as much due to concerns re Fowler remaining fit for a whole season as anything else.

Good chance of you finishing below us and going out of the CL early(anything other here would be a shock!). Can't see you failing to make top 4

If your defence is that excellent,i reckon Benitez wouldnt have bothered to bring in several defenders since last summer. Your defence isnt that impressive, your statistics are impressive due to the fact that you have a midfield protecting your defence, which is also why you are so incredibly boring to watch.

Carra, best cb in the league during the last years ? good one.

If we dont suffer any major injuries, there´s no reason for why we should finish below your lot.
 
MThomas said:
If your defence is that excellent,i reckon Benitez wouldnt have bothered to bring in several defenders since last summer. Your defence isnt that impressive, your statistics are impressive due to the fact that you have a midfield protecting your defence, which is also why you are so incredibly boring to watch.

Carra, best cb in the league during the last years ? good one.

If we dont suffer any major injuries, there´s no reason for why we should finish below your lot.

The defenders we've brought in are squad players or ones for the future. How you can even attempt to argue that our defence isn't great is baffling....most clean sheets in the league last season, and our back 4 were immense throughout. Look at how our defence plays together as a unit...it's very impressive.

Yes, Carra along with Terry has been the best CB. Voted in the team of the year during both seasons, and has earned rave reviews from everyone.
 
Davo said:
Based on a few months, whereas RVN has been a success for years

RVN is several classes above Saha
You probably think Fowler is a great striker... Saha offers a lot more to the team than Ruud.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
So the feck what????:annoyed: We had Yorke, Cole and Sherinham in 99 a none of them was as good as Ruud or in the same league when it comes to goals. idiot!:annoyed:

Again...I'm struggling to find the sense

Just anger
 
Dark Devil said:
You probably think Fowler is a great striker... Saha offers a lot more to the team than Ruud.

I think Fowler was a great striker, he's not going to reach that level again. He can however still offer a lot, as he did at the end of last season

I disagree re Saha
 
Davo said:
The defenders we've brought in are squad players or ones for the future. How you can even attempt to argue that our defence isn't great is baffling....most clean sheets in the league last season, and our back 4 were immense throughout. Look at how our defence plays together as a unit...it's very impressive.

Yes, Carra along with Terry has been the best CB. Voted in the team of the year during both seasons, and has earned rave reviews from everyone.
By everyone you mean all Scouse fans? If he has been (along with Terry) the best CB in the league for the past two years then why has he been the fourth choice CB for his country all that time?
 
Davo said:
The defenders we've brought in are squad players or ones for the future. How you can even attempt to argue that our defence isn't great is baffling....most clean sheets in the league last season, and our back 4 were immense throughout. Look at how our defence plays together as a unit...it's very impressive.

Yes, Carra along with Terry has been the best CB. Voted in the team of the year during both seasons, and has earned rave reviews from everyone.

As i have said numerous times, the reason for your good statistics is because you have a midfield protecting your defence. While it improves your statistics, it also makes you one of the most boring teams in the league.

Rio is a much better defender, as he has proved several times, which is also why he´s the first choice alongside terry in the national team. Who gives a shit about team of the year voted by fans, christ, crouch was nearly striker of the season thanks to online voting...
 
Davo said:
Basically, this has all come down to me knowing more about football than you spazzers....

Again
:lol: Obviously.

Hope you won't have hard feeling when we finish above you in the league again next season.