Search for the Chosen CM to bring balance to The Force...errr Formation

Sly said:
Oh just out of curiosity we have another CM gem coming up. I hate these labels but apparently we have the "next Pogba" :lol: His name is Bubacar Djaló and it appears Juventus, City, PSG and Spurs are following him. Err don't ask me much about him because i don't really know him but his name has been showing up alot on newspapers in the last months. Because the media decided he's the new Pogba, United should pay us a large ammount of money. Surely you won't want to miss two Pogba's in a row. Imagine if he is indeed the new Paul Pogba. It would be devastating for United fans to miss out on him.

http://rr.sapo.pt/bolabranca_detalhe.aspx?fid=45&did=179276

http://www.calcionews24.com/sportin...tus-sulle-tracce-di-bubacar-djalo-426907.html

http://sportivissimo.me/news/calcio/calciomercato-roma-bubacar-djaló-concorrenza-blitz-quotidiano_816937

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/tottenham-eye-transfer-sporting-lisbons-5211126
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:lol: You wonder why every young player has to be labeled.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
:lol: You wonder why every young player has to be labeled.
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It's ridiculous. Speaking seriously now about him, he is a youth rank player who plays CM and is very strong physically with decent technic. He took some time to blossom and was loaned to a secondary side (Sacavenense). He did well there and returned to Sporting this year and had an impressive season. We are trying to renew but the mostly likely is that he will leave us because he has a shaddy agent and is attracting alot of interest. He is part of a Guinea Bissau group of players who impressed but is leaving us before reaching the main team because of unrealistic wage demands. Edgar Ié left us for Barcelona, Zé Turbo for Internazionale and now Bubacar (although he hasn't left us yet) is followed by 3 or 4 top european sides. He has potencial but hasn't showed enough to deserve a big club move. But since he can leave on a low fee since he hasn't renewed yet perhaps he is worth the gamble to put on a youth rank side and let him evolve under the guidance of youth coaches.
 
Sly said:
Oh just out of curiosity we have another CM gem coming up. I hate these labels but apparently we have the "next Pogba" :lol: His name is Bubacar Djaló and it appears Juventus, City, PSG and Spurs are following him. Err don't ask me much about him because i don't really know him but his name has been showing up alot on newspapers in the last months. Because the media decided he's the new Pogba, United should pay us a large ammount of money. Surely you won't want to miss two Pogba's in a row. Imagine if he is indeed the new Paul Pogba. It would be devastating for United fans to miss out on him.

http://rr.sapo.pt/bolabranca_detalhe.aspx?fid=45&did=179276

http://www.calcionews24.com/sportin...tus-sulle-tracce-di-bubacar-djalo-426907.html

http://sportivissimo.me/news/calcio/calciomercato-roma-bubacar-djaló-concorrenza-blitz-quotidiano_816937

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/tottenham-eye-transfer-sporting-lisbons-5211126
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The "next Pogba"?! He's only 21 himself! :lol:
 
DomesticTadpole said:
Exactly, who is Pogba the next version of?
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Doesn't matter. The fact that he is the new Pogba instantly makes it more expensive and good. Now we have to find the New Bubacar to replace him because he left us since he is the new Pogba. Confusing? I don't think so.

You don't have to see him play, i mean he looks like Pogba so it´s all that matters

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Busquets has given hints he'd leave Barcelona for England one day.

di Maria - Herrera
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I only saw the first half bug Gundogan was looking sharp, great in tight situations, always picking the right pass, comfortable passing with either foot, given he's going to be in the last year of his contract we should be able to get him for a reasonable fee and without the difficulty it will be to get Koke or Pogba.
 
Nainggolan/Schneiderlin and Pogba/Koke/Gundogan/Pjanic - in order of preference.
 
Modric if available would be sensational here and be the out and out best midfielder in the league imo. (Matic the 2nd best).
 
Vidal is still the only CM besides Strootman where you get "the Whole package", if LvG wants a goalscoring box-to-box player then it is him. He is turning 28 though, i feel the deal should have been done in the summer if ever.
I wouldn't mind us buying him, fantastic player.
 
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YouOnlyLiveTwice said:
Vidal is still the only CM besides Strootman where you get "the Whole package", if LvG wants a goalscoring box-to-box player then it is him. He is turning 28 though, i feel the deal should have been done in the summer if ever.
I wouldn't mind us buying him, fantastic player.
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Pogba mate.
 
Schneiderlin would be great imo. Gundogan also returning to his best, probably still to early to look at him, but he impressed me this season and he was my favorite CM signing before his injury.
 
Oo0AahCantona said:
Pogba mate.
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I have him in mind, but to be honest i don't think he is the type of player we need. In Juve he play as the creator where he has more freedom than the other two midfielders, for the position we would play him he would be limited to the point where it isn't worth paying 60-80m for him. And i'm not sure he works as hard defensively as the likes of Vidal, Bender, Schneiderlin etc.

We have to buy a player that can give more freedom to Di Maria.
 
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YouOnlyLiveTwice said:
Vidal is still the only CM besides Strootman where you get "the Whole package", if LvG wants a goalscoring box-to-box player then it is him. He is turning 28 though, i feel the deal should have been done in the summer if ever.
I wouldn't mind us buying him, fantastic player.
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I was reading through a Juve forum the other day and the unanimous opinion on there was that he's not been the same this season. From what little I've seen of him since the WC I can't say I disagree. And I was all aboard the Vidal muppet train during the summer. Looks like that ship has sailed.
 
Sied said:
I was reading through a Juve forum the other day and the unanimous opinion on there was that he's not been the same this season. From what little I've seen of him since the WC I can't say I disagree. And I was all aboard the Vidal muppet train during the summer. Looks like that ship has sailed.
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Well, considering the injury he had to recover from this season, it's not surprising that he's had a subpar season by his standards. It also wouldn't be surprising to see him to return to his old form next season, having made a successful recovery. His value should also be lower this summer because of the season he has had, so he could be worth the risk.
 
Sied said:
I was reading through a Juve forum the other day and the unanimous opinion on there was that he's not been the same this season. From what little I've seen of him since the WC I can't say I disagree. And I was all aboard the Vidal muppet train during the summer. Looks like that ship has sailed.
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I can see that, but some are also saying that his performances has been underrated because of the High standard he has played at and some would give him a new contract here and now.

The injury has undoubtedly sat it's mark on him this season, but maybe with the break in summer he will come back to his old self? It's a chance to take though and as i Said before he isn't getting any younger.

There is luckily other options, just not any players in the same bracket as Vidal at his best.
 
DarkXaero said:
Well, considering the injury he had to recover from this season, it's not surprising that he's had a subpar season by his standards. It also wouldn't be surprising to see him to return to his old form next season, having made a successful recovery. His value should also be lower this summer because of the season he has had, so he could be worth the risk.
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Why take the risk. We done that with Falcao for example minus a huge initial outlay. With Hargreaves when it was clear he wasnt the same player before he signed. We need just a great CM, no added risks attached. If you want risk go for Gundogan who will still be far cheaper than Vidal but either or, neither can be the CM we all need to pin our hopes on to raise us afew levels due to their respective injury problems.
 
If we can get Vidal for 20-25m it would be worth the risk imo.
 
Considering our best two midfielders are Herrera and diMaria (back in form) we need to upgrade on our no6. which is almost 34 yo Carrick and Blind who lacks pace, strength, isn't the best tackler or playmaker both players are good in reading games and Carrick better passer but really struggles with the high tempo of the top games(well even against someone like Soton) when he doesn't have time to pass the ball or link the defense-attack or both sides of the pitch, inavailiblity for the pass when he's not playing in between the two center backs..

They should be considered only as squad players option in top club which are we going to be soon again. Blind has got some time on his side but how better can he get? For me he's not player with big potential. He clearly benefits from knowing the manager and his instruction and the trust he put in him. But as the time goes we can see more players getting into form and doing the right things asked from manager, playing better whereas Blind picking up first little dips of form.

That's about them, to complement them and the creative force of the front five players I guess we need defensive midfielder of different quality than we already have. We do need some strong, reasonably paced, aggresive, agile, tackling midfielder who could shield the defense who si still forming and occasionally struggle with some mistake here and there.

Herrera showed he can help hugely in defensive way, making some nice little interception and good number of tackles, both combined gives you often number what Carrick manages in a game or two. Dimaria is hardworking player who press really well and win occasionally some balls and set the counters but he should be given little bit more freedom to run forward, needs to work on his decision making and get himself grounded so he won't do all things on his own which is annoying. Both players are little bit lightweight with good attacking abilities so we need to complement them with player of the ability I mentioned.

Obviously if we find someone like Chelsea found in Matic we are the winners. Players who can add some good passes to their great defensive abilities. I guess we shouldn't have let that Lucas Silva go to Madrid, he would be perfect match but he wanted to go there anyway so our searching for that kind of player continues. I guess it also depends on what formation within the philosophy we are going to play.

And we may want to overrun or overscore the other team with far superior players with rather atacking qualitites with players like Pogba/Vidal/Strootman (which are on the market) assigning them to do the defensive work too much would limit them to attack so I guess we could try something with two box to box and one no10 also working hard able to drop deeper if needed to fill the gap. However this polemic is quite useless when you know Van Gaal will stick to his philosophy of balance and whatnot. So I guess the likes of Wanyama, Schneiderlin, Kondogbia, Carvalho, Matuidi would come really handy..
 
If we move towards a 433 next season (which I think we will) we will need a box-to-box player.

Louis van Gaal has always worked with a midfield 3 consisting of: 1 holding midfielder (Blind, Carrick), 1 creative midfielder (Herrera, Di Maria, Mata), 1 box-to-box (Fellaini, Rooney, Herrera - although he is not happy about these options) player who helps out defensively and offensively. He's said multiple times that he doesn't like to play with only a holding midfielder and 2 attacking or creative ones. He also underestimated the physicality of the PL so he will want a big and strong one.

Strootman was almost guaranteed to come if he played these last couple of months for AS Roma, but it's not looking good for him at the moment. As I know Strootman pre-injury very well he'd have been the perfect signing and van Gaal is a big fan aswell.

BTB players are a very hard to find commodity these days, I don't think there are that many options available. Vidal, Nainggolan, Pogba (not sure if he fits the description), Schneiderlin, Matuidi are all good shouts. Pjanic is a very good midfielder, but no BTB player. LvG talked about balance and he's not going to buy another creative midfielder as we've got plenty and Rooney can probably play there aswell.
 
NL Max said:
If we move towards a 433 next season (which I think we will) we will need a box-to-box player.

Louis van Gaal has always worked with a midfield 3 consisting of: 1 holding midfielder (Blind, Carrick), 1 creative midfielder (Herrera, Di Maria, Mata), 1 box-to-box (Fellaini, Rooney, Herrera - although he is not happy about these options) player who helps out defensively and offensively. He's said multiple times that he doesn't like to play with only a holding midfielder and 2 attacking or creative ones. He also underestimated the physicality of the PL so he will want a big and strong one.

Strootman was almost guaranteed to come if he played these last couple of months for AS Roma, but it's not looking good for him at the moment. As I know Strootman pre-injury very well he'd have been the perfect signing and van Gaal is a big fan aswell.

BTB players are a very hard to find commodity these days, I don't think there are that many options available. Vidal, Nainggolan, Pogba (not sure if he fits the description), Schneiderlin, Matuidi are all good shouts. Pjanic is a very good midfielder, but no BTB player. LvG talked about balance and he's not going to buy another creative midfielder as we've got plenty and Rooney can probably play there aswell.
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I agree with the gist of your post but I think if we move to 4-3-3 Di Maria will mostly play in the front 3 as he's much too wasteful on the ball for LvG in midfield, I also think we need to minimalize the need to use Rooney there and I think Mata will be sold.

So I'd look at it like this; Holding CM (Blind/Carrick) Box to Box CM (Schneiderlin/Gundogan) Attacking CM (Herrera/Rooney). The beauty here would be that Herrera is starting show potential to play as a BTB, Blind is showing more creative Internet and Schneiderlin can also double as a #6, meaning we'd have a really good mixture of versatility in our midfield options.
 
Devil may care said:
I agree with the gist of your post but I think if we move to 4-3-3 Di Maria will mostly play in the front 3 as he's much too wasteful on the ball for LvG in midfield, I also think we need to minimalize the need to use Rooney there and I think Mata will be sold.

So I'd look at it like this; Holding CM (Blind/Carrick) Box to Box CM (Schneiderlin/Gundogan) Attacking CM (Herrera/Rooney). The beauty here would be that Herrera is starting show potential to play as a BTB, Blind is showing more creative Internet and Schneiderlin can also double as a #6, meaning we'd have a really good mixture of versatility in our midfield options.
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I think Di Maria will be the right winger, with Memphis Depay as the left one so I fully agree with you. But for this season he certainly is an option in midfield so I just put him in there.

LvG loves multifunctional players so he can probably switch it around a little bit depending on the opponent. I guess it will all depend on who's leaving and who's not. The only fact that remains is indeed that he wants a BTB midfielder foremost. I'd be happy with Schneiderlin.
 
I think Van Gaal wants a midfielder that is physical and one that will go box to box and can play as a holding midfielder. If it wasn't for the knee injury I'm sure we would go in for Strootman but I don't see how we can do that now.

Pogba would be perfect but I think that's unrealistic. I'm really not sure who else would be good enough.
 
NL Max said:
I think Di Maria will be the right winger, with Memphis Depay as the left one so I fully agree with you. But for this season he certainly is an option in midfield so I just put him in there.

LvG loves multifunctional players so he can probably switch it around a little bit depending on the opponent. I guess it will all depend on who's leaving and who's not. The only fact that remains is indeed that he wants a BTB midfielder foremost. I'd be happy with Schneiderlin.
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How many goals has Schneiderlin chipped in with I didnt think he was box to box? Honest Q...
 
RedorDead21 said:
How many goals has Schneiderlin chipped in with I didnt think he was box to box? Honest Q...
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3 in 19 this year, that's in the league. He doesn't score that many now I look at his stats. 2 last year and 5 in the year before that.

Oh.. Just found this article aswell:
http://www.vi.nl/nieuws/strootman-rekent-af-met-valse-berichten-over-herstel-.htm

Strootman has denied all speculation that his carreer might be over. He's on schedule to recover before the preparations for the new season start.
 
YouOnlyLiveTwice said:
Vidal is still the only CM besides Strootman where you get "the Whole package", if LvG wants a goalscoring box-to-box player then it is him. He is turning 28 though, i feel the deal should have been done in the summer if ever.
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Have you seen Vidal play this season?
Even up to yesterday vs Roma he just doesnt look like the same player.

I think we dodged a massive bullet by not paying the £40M+ Juve wanted for him.
Nainggolan would be a much better option if we are looking at box to box CM's IMO.
 
Lawman said:
Modric if available would be sensational here and be the out and out best midfielder in the league imo. (Matic the 2nd best).
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I cannot see Real letting Modric go, he would be perfect for us.
We missed the boat on him I think.
 
ravi2 said:
Have you seen Vidal play this season?
Even up to yesterday vs Roma he just doesnt look like the same player.

I think we dodged a massive bullet by not paying the £40M+ Juve wanted for him.
Nainggolan would be a much better option if we are looking at box to box CM's IMO.
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I watched the game yesterday and he wasn't bad at all, but i could definitely see that he wasn't playing at the level he has.

I would be happy with Nainggolan, it shall be exciting to see who we end up buying.
 
Kidders said:
Real may consider letting Modric go, after all he's pretty ugly !
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If Ancelotti leaves.. And they buy their mandatory new toy in the form of Pogba, who knows if they'll let go of Modric for absurd money? It's unlikely but one can hope :drool:
 
ravi2 said:
Have you seen Vidal play this season?
Even up to yesterday vs Roma he just doesnt look like the same player.

I think we dodged a massive bullet by not paying the £40M+ Juve wanted for him.
Nainggolan would be a much better option if we are looking at box to box CM's IMO.
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YouOnlyLiveTwice said:
I watched the game yesterday and he wasn't bad at all, but i could definitely see that he wasn't playing at the level he has.

I would be happy with Nainggolan, it shall be exciting to see who we end up buying.
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Nainggolan didn't start yesterday, did he, which is a surprise considering he looked like one of Roma's better players when I've watched him?
 
NL Max said:
I think Di Maria will be the right winger, with Memphis Depay as the left one so I fully agree with you. But for this season he certainly is an option in midfield so I just put him in there.

LvG loves multifunctional players so he can probably switch it around a little bit depending on the opponent. I guess it will all depend on who's leaving and who's not. The only fact that remains is indeed that he wants a BTB midfielder foremost. I'd be happy with Schneiderlin.
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And those who are not, he does his best to convert.
 
Walters_19_MuFc said:
Nainggolan didn't start yesterday, did he, which is a surprise considering he looked like one of Roma's better players when I've watched him?
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He came off the bench in their Europa League tie last week too. By the way, anyone got an idea why Nainggolan wasn't even selected for Brazil 2014?
 
I still say Blind - Herrera - AdM could be a great midfield 3.
Although I would not say no to someone in the vein of Koke or Gündogan.
 
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