Are you talking about buying Longstaff? I'm not saying buying him is good or bad. I'm saying he cannot be compared to Schneiderlin.
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Longstaff completed 19/26 passes against ManCity and Newcastle had 24% possession, how did he dominate ManCity with his 'Footballing ability'?
He was a awful signing who was completely lost at the club. Been pretty much average at Everton too.
He was lost at the club, unfortunately. But when we signed him most were celebrating. Go check out the thread. People were practically begging for us to sign him.
Not just ManUtd fans, there were so many articles praising him as one of the best midfielders in the league and he was. He just lost his way and failed to step up.
Show me where I said Longstaff 'dominated City'??
I've no problem with us signing Longstaff but obviously he shouldn't be a 1st choice midfielder for us this season. The guy's only played 8 times for Newcastle. He should be rotated and eased in slowly and if he develops properly then he can become 1st choice. Same situation with James
For the money involved let's at least make an opening bid for him.
No. I can judge a player and break down his attributes very well and understand why some of the best scouts in the country would recommend such a player.
Aye, Schneiderlin was class at Southampton alongside Wanyama. He was one of the best midfield options out there at the time for that value. I really wanted Rakitic over him though. 12/13 was good fun.
Partey, LoCelso, Barella, some of the midfielders that we should be chasing.
Rodri and Ndombele gone.
Rodri and Ndombele gone.
How many times have you watched those players in full games?
The post you replied was the conversation about Longstaff's performance against City and then the reply was on Schneiderlin. So I assumed you were talking about Longstaff dominating City.
So which decent midfield he dominated with his footballing ability then? Only decent teams he played against was City, Spurs, Chelsea and Wolves.
Aye, Schneiderlin was class at Southampton alongside Wanyama. He was one of the best midfield options out there at the time for that value. I really wanted Rakitic over him though. 12/13 was good fun.
I wanted Schneiderlin above any midfielder (realistic ones) in the league at that time, he really was very good at Southampton. Shame it didn't work out.
That's 2 - 2.5x Molde's entire annual budget, to put it into perspective, but yes it's not that much from a big club point of view in the current market.
Yeah, it's all relative.
I agree. I liked him. Funny how people forget.
This just goes to show that no-one has any idea if a transfer will work out or not. Longstaff could be a hit. Or not. We can wait and see, but then his price might climb exponentially, or we can take a chance and possibly get it spot on.
Yohan Cabaye was a name the Caf really liked back then. Many arguments were had about that chap.
Only on television, but probably as much as you. So what's your point.
The post I responded to was about Schneiderlin dominating against clubs etc.
I've given my thoughts on Longstaff's performance against City which was exceptional considering Newcastle were playing against a far superior team who dominated the game. Longstaff in that particular game displayed fantastic composure and discipline in a holding role alongside Hayden. Guardiola even went onto say that "we couldn't handle their holding midfielders" in the post match interview.
It was the City fan who said his team got dominated and slapped by Longstaff.
I think he feels like you're just picking the names that the press have used, but don't actually know anything about the players?
Partey and Barella nothing special at all. Lo Celso is a good attacking midfielder but not really what we need.
Where have you been watching Cagliari play? Which TV channel?
Yeah he was very highly rated too. Lots of 'blasts from the past' names.
I didn't argue whether he played well or not, it was your 'Footballing ability' thing. He didn't really show much footballing ability against City then considering he had pass completion percentage in 70s and completed just 19 passes.
Longstaff might go on to become huge player for us or someone else but there is no doubt Schneiderlin showed more and dominated many games when we signed him.
Seen him a few times last year, my mate is a Geordie and absolutely raves about him, reckons his passing ability and energy to get around the pitch as a DMC are his biggest assets, he is probably overselling him a bit but I would be happy with him and McTominay fighting it out for our DMC next year, both full of energy and seem intelligent on the pitch to play the position.
Pair of them a huge upgrade on Matic who is just non-existent. £20m not much of a risk these days and can integrate him in so I would be happy enough.
Pair of them a huge upgrade on Matic who is just non-existent. £20m not much of a risk these days and can integrate him in so I would be happy enough.
If we sign him, it has to be for first team. We have already signed James as a backup, we need players to come in and impact the team straight not for 2/3 years.
If Ole thinks he is ready to start games then sign him otherwise why waste £25m when we have Garner coming though, surely signing him for the future will halt his progress?
If Ole thinks he is ready to start games then sign him otherwise why waste £25m when we have Garner coming though, surely signing him for the future will halt his progress?
I know almost literally nothing about the man so thought I'd watch the obligatory highlights clip purporting to show off his skills and long passing...
...and maybe glimpse some of the Carrick-style playmaking that has been mentioned and couldn't help but laugh at the sequence from about 2:17 onwards showing him (interspersed with two or three perfectly decent passes, and a number of tackles and interceptions):
...and maybe glimpse some of the Carrick-style playmaking that has been mentioned and couldn't help but laugh at the sequence from about 2:17 onwards showing him (interspersed with two or three perfectly decent passes, and a number of tackles and interceptions):
- Playing a not particularly useful long pass
- Failing to play in one of his forwards from the edge of the box
- Blasting the ball miles over the bar from outside the box
- Haring off down a dead end on a dribble then having to go into retreat
- Making a tackle then immediately losing the ball again
- Completing a simple lateral pass in the middle of the pitch
- Belting the ball 60 yards across the pitch which a forward just about keeps in play
- Tugging someone's shirt and then going over after being fouled in retaliation
- Making another long useless pass
- Labouring to get the ball under control in the middle of the pitch
His 'footballing ability' was on show against Chelsea too. The lad can pass a ball to a very good standard hence Benitez and Shola Ameobi commenting favourably to the links with Carrick. Schneiderlin never had the long passing ability of the Geordie or potential when it comes to ability on the ball. Schneiderlin was a specific type of CM who was never gifted on the ball to play for a elite club. The reason I saw sense in signing him was his off the ball work at Southampton. But signing him for a LVG possession based team was a pretty bad move due to his defeciency on the ball.
Looks more Henderson 2 than new Carrick but I'm resgined to this happening.
Quick search shows you have rewritten your own opinion on him too, called him 'won't look out of place for Madrid, Bayern, Juve, Barca' and now you are saying he wasn't gifted to play for Elite side.
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Like I said, I saw the sense in signing him as a DM. But his preference was to play as a #8. And he was never good enough to play as a #8 in LVG's team.
I really do find this tit for tat posting exhausting. If you dare to have an opinion on five different players, chances are you get it wrong 2 or 3 out of 5...
But if he was good enough for the best teams then, surely he was good enough for us. Forget his preference, I'm talking about Schneiderlin at Southampton and how good he was.
Quite the bargain so given JH1 cost about 20m back in 2011. I look forward to watching Longstaff lift the CL for us.
Quite the bargain so given JH1 cost about 20m back in 2011. I look forward to watching Longstaff lift the CL for us.
This never happened
The point was ability on the ball in comparison to Longstaff. Schneiderlin I saw as as someone who would be a DM destroyer for us hence why I liked him. But as a #8 he was never good enough on the ball IMO. My last post you dug up attests to that.
Last season in our starting 11, we had Herrera/McTominay providing defensive cover for Matic as he can't track runners, that was overkill. Essentially 2 defensive mids in a 3 man mid, hence we had a severe lack of creativity once Pogba was shut down. One good defensive mid with assured passing, aggression and mobility replaces both those players and frees up room to bring in another midfielder who can assist in attacking. Longstaff can certainly do that job, albeit he hasn't much experience, but if not him, we need another defensive mid who doesn't need another dm to do his covering back for him.I like what I've seen from Longstaff. He has a natural aggression we haven't seen in our midfield probably since Keane left.
Last post was talking about him as Carrick replacement.
The signing of Longstaff also opens a very good opportunity to sign a more established CM due the low cost of signing the Geordie lad.
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