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I hope the ones who are mocking potentially signing Longstaff are not the same ones who moan why we can't identify a good British talent before the likes of Spurs or Leicester do and sell them to us at bumped up prices.
I still think Dalot could be our starting right back for years.This is another Dalot situation where we're signing a player who's played a handful of senior games. The majority thought Dalot would come in and be our next RB for the foreseeable future. We're doing the same thing here with Longstaff. Surely haven't Spurs and Leicester in the past tended to sign players with more experience? Alli for example had almost 6,000 minutes in League One. Maguire had 22,000 minutes before joining Leicester. Carrick with 17,000 minutes before joining United.
I might be forgetting some, but who exactly are you referring too? I'm curious?
Dalot was a back up squad player at Porto and played occasionally when Pereira wasn't available.This is another Dalot situation where we're signing a player who's played a handful of senior games. The majority thought Dalot would come in and be our next RB for the foreseeable future. We're doing the same thing here with Longstaff. Surely haven't Spurs and Leicester in the past tended to sign players with more experience? Alli for example had almost 6,000 minutes in League One. Maguire had 22,000 minutes before joining Leicester. Carrick with 17,000 minutes before joining United.
I might be forgetting some, but who exactly are you referring too? I'm curious?
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Dalot was a back up squad player at Porto and played occasionally when Pereira wasn't available.
Longstaff before he got injured had cemented his spot in a Newcastle team playing in the most competitive league in the world.
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Dalot was a back up squad player at Porto and played occasionally when Pereira wasn't available.
Longstaff before he got injured had cemented his spot in a Newcastle team playing in the most competitive league in the world.
He has played more than just the games in the PL this season. He has been on loan at Blackpool and Kilmarnock and played a solid number of games. So at least comparable to Alli in that sense.This is another Dalot situation where we're signing a player who's played a handful of senior games. The majority thought Dalot would come in and be our next RB for the foreseeable future. We're doing the same thing here with Longstaff. Surely haven't Spurs and Leicester in the past tended to sign players with more experience? Alli for example had almost 6,000 minutes in League One. Maguire had 22,000 minutes before joining Leicester. Carrick with 17,000 minutes before joining United.
I might be forgetting some, but who exactly are you referring too? I'm curious?
Longstaff showed a performance level against some of the best teams in the land that I haven't seen from our current holding midfielder Matic in any game against quality opposition. We either sign him him now, or wait another season and see his price treble.Well Dalot broke through when he was 19 and got 600+ minutes, including a 0-0 draw against a quality Liverpool side in the CL. But thats my point, he only had 600minutes. Longstaff had what? 1000minutes last season including cups? Is that enough game time to conclude he's absolute dynamite and will walk into our first team? Plenty of young talents break through and then struggle for form once the initial buzz has worn down.
It's a gamble ultimately. Personally I don't think we're in the situation to be able to ford to gamble right now as we need proven quality in so many areas of our first team. But I guess this is our new strategy under Ole, so i'll roll with it.
You haven't watched him play 1 full game is my bet. If he was playing for Gremio and called Longstaffio you'd be creaming yourself
Talking to a fella I know from Newcastle today. Absolute die hard Newcastle fan and we were talking about Longstaff. He said don't underestimate the impact playing under Rafa had him on playing well, but he tells me Longstaff is the real deal from watching him regularly. His words "He plays like a pro who has been playing regularly for 10 years, nothing bothers him and he will get stuck in and play his game no matter who he plays against"
I know nothing about Longstaff, but would be nice to have a midfielder with a bit of composure and bite
Probably meant in terms of attitude, Longstaff is a different kind of player with a different skillset to McTominay.No offense, but doesn't that sound a bit like McTominay? Like to get stuck in, not being bothered by the opposition as seen in Paris?
Yes a month agoHas he started back after his injury, I feel its a big risk splashing out money without seeing how he comes back.
The thing most fans were surprised about is the way he just walked into the team from the get go and expected high standards at all times. The way he played against City was amazing when you see how positionally aware he was and his composure on the ball was a real eye opener. He was basically playing like a experience player which was remarkable to see.Talking to a fella I know from Newcastle today. Absolute die hard Newcastle fan and we were talking about Longstaff. He said don't underestimate the impact playing under Rafa had him on playing well, but he tells me Longstaff is the real deal from watching him regularly. His words "He plays like a pro who has been playing regularly for 10 years, nothing bothers him and he will get stuck in and play his game no matter who he plays against"
I know nothing about Longstaff, but would be nice to have a midfielder with a bit of composure and bite
It's hardly splashing, 20-25m. Danny Ings is going for that these days!Has he started back after his injury, I feel its a big risk splashing out money without seeing how he comes back.
No offense, but doesn't that sound a bit like McTominay? Like to get stuck in, not being bothered by the opposition as seen in Paris?
Don't get me wrong. I am not against signing British players if they are quality. I watched a few Borriusa Dortmund games and would love us to get Jadon Sancho as he is quality. Same with Aaron Wan Bissaka as I like that signing as well. I just think we need some quality in the central defensive midfield position as I don't rate Matic. I just think there is at least a few midfielders playing the European leagues that we can get which are better than just a player from Newcastle who has hardly played. Plus he isn't any better than Scott McTominay really.
And absolutely slapped City’s midfield about in January. People are going to be surprised at how good he is, regardless of where he plays his football this season; he’ll be England’s first choice midfielder by the Euros too.
I don't think that's an accurate portrayal of those people. People are more than happy with say, Sancho. People were largely in favor of AWB (I preferred Aarons, another English talent). So I don't think people prefer foreigners to English talents. People are questioning talent, and it's only when the context of the rumors surrounding United's British strategy is inserted into this discussion that it turns this entire conversation into British vs Non-British or 'Are British talents worth it or not' debate. I don't think that's applicable to Longstaff.Hopefully he is that good and we can snatch a real gem. England produce good footballers too. People need to stop creaming their pants at every Jonny foreigner who we get linked with.
Or the fact that he's only had 9 Premier League appearances by the age of 21, coming off the back of a knee injury as well?If we can get him for around 20m. Not sure what the fuss is, he's clearly very highly rated. I reckon it's his name and gormless face putting people off.
This whole thing reads eerily like Schneiderlin the summer before we signed him. 'He was MOTM against team x, he bossed the midfield of team y' was constantly being churned out before we signed him.And absolutely slapped City’s midfield about in January. People are going to be surprised at how good he is, regardless of where he plays his football this season; he’ll be England’s first choice midfielder by the Euros too.
Schneiderlin never bossed any decent midfield with the footballing ability of Longstaff. Longstaff is a ball playing CM who has exceptional composure, mobility and stamina.This whole thing reads eerily like Schneiderlin the summer before we signed him. 'He was MOTM against team x, he bossed the midfield of team y' was constantly being churned out before we signed him.
Took the words right out of my mouth. Mind, I know nothing about hm, but ‘he had a great game v City’ doesn’t necessarily mean he’s the real deal. As per Schneiderlin, who, by my estimate, was one of the very worst signings I’ve seen for us.This whole thing reads eerily like Schneiderlin the summer before we signed him. 'He was MOTM against team x, he bossed the midfield of team y' was constantly being churned out before we signed him.
Schneiderlin never bossed any decent midfield with the footballing ability of Longstaff. Longstaff is a ball playing CM who has exceptional composure, mobility and stamina.
So you're saying people are happy paying £50m for a fullback who was sent packing from Cambridge last year. A RW target who will cost in excess of a £100m from Dortmund. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.I don't think that's an accurate portrayal of those people. People are more than happy with say, Sancho. People were largely in favor of AWB (I preferred Aarons, another English talent). So I don't think people prefer foreigners to English talents. People are questioning talent, and it's only when the context of the rumors surrounding United's British strategy is inserted into this discussion that it turns this entire conversation into British vs Non-British or 'Are British talents worth it or not' debate. I don't think that's applicable to Longstaff.
Schneiderlin was an established midfielder at the top of his game. Longstaff is nothing like that.This whole thing reads eerily like Schneiderlin the summer before we signed him. 'He was MOTM against team x, he bossed the midfield of team y' was constantly being churned out before we signed him.
Hd never dominated against any decent team with 'footballing ability' was the point I made. He was a very good plodder at Southampton but LVG quickly realised his ball playing ability wasn't of the required standard.That's not true. Move didnt work out well but before the move he was very good midfielder and there are so many articles praising him as main man at Southampton and how he was one of the best midfielder in the league.
You are absolutely spectacular at revising history.Hd never dominated against any decent team with 'footballing ability' was the point I made. He was a very good plodder at Southampton but LVG quickly realised his ball playing ability wasn't of the required standard.
Hd never dominated against any decent team with 'footballing ability' was the point I made. He was a very good plodder at Southampton but LVG quickly realised his ball playing ability wasn't of the required standard.
Which makes it even worse!Schneiderlin was an established midfielder at the top of his game. Longstaff is nothing like that.
C'mon! He wasn't a plodder! He was a class act (relatively speaking). At the time he was one of the most sensible signings we could make. Longstaff isn't like that. So to draw a comparison is baseless.Hd never dominated against any decent team with 'footballing ability' was the point I made. He was a very good plodder at Southampton but LVG quickly realised his ball playing ability wasn't of the required standard.
It depends what people define as 'dominating'. For me dominating a midfield is through controlling a game via controlling the tempo/flow of the game. Good passing ability and composure are a must IMO.You are absolutely spectacular at revising history.
Are you on commission or something? A relative?Schneiderlin never bossed any decent midfield with the footballing ability of Longstaff. Longstaff is a ball playing CM who has exceptional composure, mobility and stamina.