Sean Longstaff

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Lots of potential

And also will have the hunger to succeed, apply themselfs , be respectful and not think theyve made it at 22 years of age, which you d hope would rub off and make a few others grow the feck up and crack on
 
Roboc7 said:
I think the squad will be dismantled over next two summer windows and a lot of the players will leave for nothing or close to it. With that in mind we are going to have to bring in some projects like Longstaff, James,Sessegnon etc.

Buying him now would be a risk of course, especially as it’s based on a small number of appearances but a good season at Newcastle and his price will double at least, AWB is a good example of exactly of that.
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That’s a good point missed by many. Ole said after the Cardiff game that basically very few are safe from being replaced. But it can’t all be done in 1 window and it can’t all be big name signings. I think the players we are being linked to indicates a more thought out transfer policy. But I suppose we’d best wait and see who arrives
 
Coming off a really bad injury. Surely we should wait and see how recovers from this before even thinking about a transfer. We have enough constant crocks in the team.
 
I don't think there's anything in this one, it's just the narrative is we are looking at young british players and so names are getting thrown out there, it's obvious the James thing has spurred on this stuff from the clickbaiters, the only other british player besides James I genuinely see us moving for this summer is Wan Bissaka. Also people need to lose the idea players like this would be cheap, he has 3 years left on his contract, Newcastle would want £50M.
 
golden_blunder said:
If your point is that “it’s only Newcastle” then I’d point you to Robertson and Maguire from Hull, Roy Keane from a relegated Forest and so on
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It wasn’t. I was just sharing the extent of my knowledge on him. I also think he’s Irish but not confident enough to say for sure
 
Potential or not, why to spend 15 or 20 mil on some unknown championship/bottom table club player? I mean, why to spend on James when we have Chong? Why to spend on Longstaff when we have Mct or Garner? Ridiculous.
 
golden_blunder said:
That’s a good point missed by many. Ole said after the Cardiff game that basically very few are safe from being replaced. But it can’t all be done in 1 window and it can’t all be big name signings. I think the players we are being linked to indicates a more thought out transfer policy. But I suppose we’d best wait and see who arrives
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The thing is though if Ole fails to get top 4 he'll be sacked, the last dozen or so games of the season is the worst we have looked since Fergie retired, even less motivated and more clueless than in Mourinho's latter days. It's ok to buy one or two young players with potential, but he's also going to need some geuine proven quality added to all 3 areas of this team to even scrape top 4, as right now we are sliding backwards towards Leicester, Wolves and Everton, rather than pushing forwards.
 
Devil may care said:
I don't think there's anything in this one, it's just the narrative is we are looking at young british players and so names are getting thrown out there, it's obvious the James thing has spurred on this stuff from the clickbaiters, the only other british player besides James I genuinely see us moving for this summer is Wan Bissaka. Also people need to lose the idea players like this would be cheap, he has 3 years left on his contract, Newcastle would want £50M.
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Well the Press Association(PA) are now reporting our interest in him and they are extremely reliable. I think there's something in this.
 
golden_blunder said:
If your point is that “it’s only Newcastle” then I’d point you to Robertson and Maguire from Hull, Roy Keane from a relegated Forest and so on
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I was thinking about Maguire/Hull last night. But breaking the transfer record for a relegated Keane is a great one
 
Devil may care said:
I don't think there's anything in this one, it's just the narrative is we are looking at young british players and so names are getting thrown out there, it's obvious the James thing has spurred on this stuff from the clickbaiters, the only other british player besides James I genuinely see us moving for this summer is Wan Bissaka. Also people need to lose the idea players like this would be cheap, he has 3 years left on his contract, Newcastle would want £50M.
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Mike Ashley would take a lower fee than that for a player with only 9 PL appearances. If we offer around £35 mil he'd snap it up, and that price is definitely in the high range of what he's actually worth.
 
KM said:
Well the Press Association(PA) are now reporting our interest in him and they are extremely reliable. I think there's something in this.
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Didn't one of the local journalists say there was nothing in it? If it is true then I just don't get it, I mean I'm not a fan of Rice but he's got more proven experience than Longstaff and the price will be the same, plus we already have 3 young CM's and Fred who is still trying to find his footing, more kids isn't going to help IMO, the midfield lacks a headpiece that can direct the others, including Pogba if he stays.
 
Rozay said:
He certainly has quality and potential. People need to get their heads round to the idea that at present, young English talent is at least equal to any out there.

Last year everyone was creaming over Goretzka, and for me, Longstaff looks a similar type of player and certainly no worse a talent. This is the type of player who, if German, Bayern would buy, and if Italian, Juve would buy.
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Goretzka had years of Bundesliga apperances before he signed for Bayern.
 
KM said:
Well the Press Association(PA) are now reporting our interest in him and they are extremely reliable. I think there's something in this.
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Only the clickbait obsessed MEN is denying our interest
 
Champagne Football said:
Of the Ajax kids who have not yet made it to the first team, can you name the best of the next generation without using Google?
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No I don't watch the Ajax youth team. My opinion was based on de Ligt already being the youngest captain in Ajax history and his many appearances in the first team before last summer when I argued he was a better option than Toby.
 
Devil may care said:
Didn't one of the local journalists say there was nothing in it? If it is true then I just don't get it, I mean I'm not a fan of Rice but he's got more proven experience than Longstaff and the price will be the same, plus we already have 3 young CM's and Fred who is still trying to find his footing, more kids isn't going to help IMO, the midfield lacks a headpiece that can direct the others, including Pogba if he stays.
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MEN is pretty garbage these days and they're the only ones denying. John Percy(who's very reliable) and PA are reporting our interest. So i'm not saying we'll sign him but our interest is there.
 
Don't know much about him so I don't want to comment yet. I'm going to need to see a five minute YouTube video of him before I can come to a conclusion as to whether he's good enough for us or not.
 
luke511 said:
Mike Ashley would take a lower fee than that for a player with only 9 PL appearances. If we offer around £35 mil he'd snap it up, and that price is definitely in the high range of what he's actually worth.
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Why? He's a businessman, if this kid is that good then why not wait a year as he has 3 years left on his deal and get more? If he's that good then surely there's an auction to be had that can hike the price up given his nationality, there's nothing about this adding up IMO.
 
Devil may care said:
Didn't one of the local journalists say there was nothing in it? If it is true then I just don't get it, I mean I'm not a fan of Rice but he's got more proven experience than Longstaff and the price will be the same, plus we already have 3 young CM's and Fred who is still trying to find his footing, more kids isn't going to help IMO, the midfield lacks a headpiece that can direct the others, including Pogba if he stays.
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Longstaff has DLP capabilities which Rice lacks, and we desperately need a DLP type in our midfield. He looks quite solid defensively too, he has a lot of Carrick about his game. Obviously it's a risk but it's a great one to take.
 
KM said:
MEN is pretty garbage these days and they're the only ones denying. John Percy(who's very reliable) and PA are reporting our interest. So i'm not saying we'll sign him but our interest is there.
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Ok then, I thought it was a Newcastle journalist that debunked it the other day but maybe it was the MEN guy.
 
I might well be wrong but I feel like MEN also confidently denied our interest in Daniel James.

Anyway, I know nothing about Longstaff. As with Daniel James, I'm not against these signings and when everything else is in order they're rather excited. Less so when the first team is a mess. I'm all for it though once
 
Devil may care said:
Ok then, I thought it was a Newcastle journalist that debunked it the other day but maybe it was the MEN guy.
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I'm sure a Newcastle journalist did say they wouldn't sell and the player isn't interested, but lets see.
 
Devil may care said:
The thing is though if Ole fails to get top 4 he'll be sacked, the last dozen or so games of the season is the worst we have looked since Fergie retired, even less motivated and more clueless than in Mourinho's latter days. It's ok to buy one or two young players with potential, but he's also going to need some geuine proven quality added to all 3 areas of this team to even scrape top 4, as right now we are sliding backwards towards Leicester, Wolves and Everton, rather than pushing forwards.
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If Ole gets fired they need to bunker down and not be swayed, most of the squad still need to be replaced. It’s unrealistic to expect that every single person that goes out will be replaced by an “instant” player. The squad will be freshened up with young players too. I predict it will be a mixture but everyone getting their knickers in a twist because the one that’s likely to be first passed the post is James, when the majority of TMs want it to be a bigger name of intent.
 
luke511 said:
Longstaff has DLP capabilities which Rice lacks, and we desperately need a DLP type in our midfield. He looks quite solid defensively too, he has a lot of Carrick about his game. Obviously it's a risk but he's a great one to take.
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Isn't this what Garner is supposed to be? I mean Ole even called him Michael Carrick but half the age. I dunno, I just don't get anything surrounding us and transfers right now, it feels like a desperate attempt to recreate Fergie but those days are gone, the cream of football are not British players, most of them seriously lack in comparison to the rest of the big European countries talents. Plus in this case it's a player who hasn't done anything, I mean not even a full season as a starter for a relegation battling club.
 
Devil may care said:
Isn't this what Garner is supposed to be? I mean Ole even called him Michael Carrick but half the age. I dunno, I just don't get anything surrounding us and transfers right now, it feels like a desperate attempt to recreate Fergie but those days are gone, the cream of football are not British players, most of them seriously lack in comparison to the rest of the big European countries talents. Plus in this case it's a player who hasn't done anything, I mean not even a full season as a starter for a relegation battling club.
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I’m not saying we will sign Longstaff, he may be on a list of “keep watching” but I’m not sure we will go for him yet. Looks a good player btw

People keep mentioning Garner and he’s a good player at the level he’s playing at. But he’s only 17. Be a while before he’s nailed down a place, IF he ever does. There’s been better players than him who have not made it at OT.
 
Cassidy said:
I'm sure a Newcastle journalist did say they wouldn't sell and the player isn't interested, but lets see.
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Maybe that's the one I was thinking of then, I just was sure one of the localc Newcastle reporters had said it wasn't on.

golden_blunder said:
If Ole gets fired they need to bunker down and not be swayed, most of the squad still need to be replaced. It’s unrealistic to expect that every single person that goes out will be replaced by an “instant” player. The squad will be freshened up with young players too. I predict it will be a mixture but everyone getting their knickers in a twist because the one that’s likely to be first passed the post is James, when the majority of TMs want it to be a bigger name of intent.
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The squad does need replacing but we are going ass backwards about it, we have re-signed crap like Jones and Young and are trying to convince Mata to stay, while losing Herrera and probably De Gea and Pogba as well, meanwhile we are adding kids to the forward line and the midfield when we already have kids in the same age bracket looking to step up, and what is missing is some players in that 23-26 range that are tested and proven but still with their best to come, and we have to consider how many players we need, if we buy James, Wan-Bissaka and Longstafff that's 3 and we have only addressed one position as the other 2 aren't good enough to be starters.
 
golden_blunder said:
I’m not saying we will sign Longstaff, he may be on a list of “keep watching” but I’m not sure we will go for him yet. Looks a good player btw

People keep mentioning Garner and he’s a good player at the level he’s playing at. But he’s only 17. Be a while before he’s nailed down a place, IF he ever does. There’s been better players than him who have not made it at OT.
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I've seen him play a couple of times and I agree he looks ok, but do we need more pk players? We have some already, Fred is ok, McTominay is ok, Pereira is ok, we need some real quality, so like you say maybe it's more of a watching brief.

I agree Garner is super young and I've advocated myself to not rush him, but I also don't think buying another young player in his position will help, it's like the Wan-Bissaka/Dalot/Laird situation, people can kid themselves that 2 can come through and share a role but if these are real top talents it wont happen, like Sane is about to bounce from City as being a bench player isn't good enough for the best young talent, and Gabriel Jesus might well follow him, and they are actually winning things.
 
Rayburns said:
Ruud did alright
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RvN was fit when we signed him. He recovered from his injury at PSV, got back in their team, scored goals, got back in the Dutch squad etc. Then we bought him. Completely different with Longstaff who hasn't even trained since he did his knee and would simply be a case of us gambling by buying an injured player.
 
Keeps It tidy said:
Goretzka had years of Bundesliga apperances before he signed for Bayern.
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I’m aware. Two situations are rarely linear. The principles are similar, is all. And the players are also very similar. Goretzka wasn’t a world class player. Not even a world class ‘talent’. He was a very good one though, in both senses, and in my eyes, no better than what I’ve seen from Longstaff, although the sample is smaller.
 
golden_blunder said:
If your point is that “it’s only Newcastle” then I’d point you to Robertson and Maguire from Hull, Roy Keane from a relegated Forest and so on
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They are not from PL but i do think that our history with low profile signings tell us that it is just throwing money away. Miller, Obertan, Manucho, Djemba-Djemba, Prunier, Bebe, Buttner...

We need to spend on quality. It can be young player but who has quality already to play at highest level. Another "solid" player is the last thing that we need
 
Devil may care said:
Isn't this what Garner is supposed to be? I mean Ole even called him Michael Carrick but half the age. I dunno, I just don't get anything surrounding us and transfers right now, it feels like a desperate attempt to recreate Fergie but those days are gone, the cream of football are not British players, most of them seriously lack in comparison to the rest of the big European countries talents. Plus in this case it's a player who hasn't done anything, I mean not even a full season as a starter for a relegation battling club.
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There's nothing wrong with trying to install a bit of traditional culture back into the club and dressing room, it's something that's seriously lacking at the moment. And it's pretty well known that the current crop of English talent coming through is very competitive, I don't know how you can say it's seriously lacking, compared to France maybe but that's all.
 
luke511 said:
There's nothing wrong with trying install a bit of traditional culture back into the club and dressing room, it's something that's seriously lacking at the moment. And it's pretty well known that the current crop of English talent coming through is very competitive, I don't know how you can say it's seriously lacking, compared to France maybe but that's all.
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I'm talking about technical talent, look at the French, German, Spanish and Dutch talents in the U23 range and only Sancho compares technically. Culture isn't about the country of your birth, it's about personalities, look at our last great team, Vidic, Evra, vDS and Ronaldo all got it just as much as the british players, City has a strong culture and they rarely start more than 3 british players. The past is the past, you can't go backwards, you just need to look for the best talents with the best mentalities, their place of birth isn't important.
 
Devil may care said:
Isn't this what Garner is supposed to be? I mean Ole even called him Michael Carrick but half the age. I dunno, I just don't get anything surrounding us and transfers right now, it feels like a desperate attempt to recreate Fergie but those days are gone, the cream of football are not British players, most of them seriously lack in comparison to the rest of the big European countries talents. Plus in this case it's a player who hasn't done anything, I mean not even a full season as a starter for a relegation battling club.
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Isn't the younger generation of English players considered some of the best in Europe? There's a reason why Sancho was bought by Dortmund and thrived, and Madrid snapped up Brahim Diaz. Bayern were in heavy for CHO. There are many more examples of good young English talent.
 
Andycoleno9 said:
They are not from PL but i do think that our history with low profile signings tell us that it is just throwing money away. Miller, Obertan, Manucho, Djemba-Djemba, Prunier, Bebe, Buttner...
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Evra, Vidic, Hernandez, Schmeichel, Yorke. I don't remember Park and Carrick being particularly high profile either.

What about our recent history with high profile signings makes you think that's a better bet? I think it'd probably be more accurate to say our history with signings of any kind is dire recently. But I don't think anyone's suggesting we should just avoid making any. :D
 
Andycoleno9 said:
Potential or not, why to spend 15 or 20 mil on some unknown championship/bottom table club player? I mean, why to spend on James when we have Chong? Why to spend on Longstaff when we have Mct or Garner? Ridiculous.
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Maybe Ole doesn't think our young players are as good?
The way we over rate our youth astounds me.
 
Devil may care said:
I'm talking about technical talent, look at the French, German, Spanish and Dutch talents in the U23 range and only Sancho compares technically. Culture isn't about the country of your birth, it's about personalities, look at our last great team, Vidic, Evra, vDS and Ronaldo all got it just as much as the british players, City has a strong culture and they rarely start more than 3 british players. The past is the past, you can't go backwards, you just need to look for the best talents with the best mentalities, their place of birth isn't important.
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I would disagree with that. Also there's a reason why I said culture instead of country of birth because I know the difference like you've mentioned haha. You've kind of contradicted yourself by saying strong teams are rich in culture and philosophies, but us trying to recreate that environment is a "desperate attempt to recreate the fergie day's"? He's a good english talent in a position that needs addressing, there have been great technical English CMs in the past and there will be in the future.
 
Not sure about this one. I mean the guy hasn't even played half a season of top flight football. Sure, he's been good the few games I've seen him but this just reeks of desperation. Cheap punt - I could understand, but reports are that he'll cost upwards of £20m and that's not including the Man United tax.
 
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