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luke511 said:
There's nothing wrong with trying install a bit of traditional culture back into the club and dressing room, it's something that's seriously lacking at the moment. And it's pretty well known that the current crop of English talent coming through is very competitive, I don't know how you can say it's seriously lacking, compared to France maybe but that's all.
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Unpopular opinion from non-English poster here but i think that because of our traditional culture we are in the mess now. We tried to have English core by force. Jones, Smalling, Lingard and Young are for years our regular starters( Jones when fit). I will now dare to say something what one of our mods hate; they are still in the club only because they are home-grown.
Of course that English club must have English core but not in that way. If that is our goal then i would rather that we overpay for Alli or Kane or Maguire who are among best English players now than us buying some basically unknown players
 
Devil may care said:
Isn't this what Garner is supposed to be? I mean Ole even called him Michael Carrick but half the age. I dunno, I just don't get anything surrounding us and transfers right now, it feels like a desperate attempt to recreate Fergie but those days are gone, the cream of football are not British players, most of them seriously lack in comparison to the rest of the big European countries talents. Plus in this case it's a player who hasn't done anything, I mean not even a full season as a starter for a relegation battling club.
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As a very general rule, probably true but there's still good British talent out there and I guess we have to trust Ole/scouts.

While never a reason to ignore ability completely, there is always the risk of a young foreign player not settling abroad and that may be one consideration for buying some British players as long as similar (or close to) price/ability/potential of similar foreign players.

In terms of their experience/number of games.... yes, that's definitely a risk. Again, got to hope scouting done.

My ideal is a couple of young players and four more established ones. Can't see it though unfortunately.
 
cyberman said:
Maybe Ole doesn't think our young players are as good?
The way we over rate our youth astounds me.
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It is not overrating them. It is just logic. You have already unproven right winger in club. Why to spend money on another unproven right winger? Give your unproven winger a chance. If he is not good then buy another. Same logic goes for midfield.
Longstaff and James are not cheap players. 20 mil is not small fee. It is not 2 or 3 mil so you can say; " feck it, lets risk it."
 
Looks like a good prospect, very much in the mould of Carrick. It will be the type of signing our fans like to complain we never make i.e. why are we spending 3x on a lad when we could have got him for x 2 years back. You can never please some people I guess.
 
Andycoleno9 said:
They are not from PL but i do think that our history with low profile signings tell us that it is just throwing money away. Miller, Obertan, Manucho, Djemba-Djemba, Prunier, Bebe, Buttner...

We need to spend on quality. It can be young player but who has quality already to play at highest level. Another "solid" player is the last thing that we need
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The same view was in the Daniel James thread (not you was it?). We've had plenty of failures but there have been successes too .. Ole, Chico, Kanchelskis (video scouted?), Irwin to an extent, Sharpe, etc. Other clubs have too (look at Yorke .... one transfer before United and Treble glory).

I'm not saying it's easy but I do think Ole looks at some of the dearer/"established" players and thinks he's rather have some one of perhaps less talent but more mental fortitude. You can have all the skill in the world but if you don't track an easy run against Cardiff for example (cough Pogba), you can concede.

We definitely need quality too but we'll struggle to attract players who aren't mercenaries at the moment and we need to think about this being a 3-year (minimum) project.
 
Rozay said:
I’m aware. Two situations are rarely linear. The principles are similar, is all. And the players are also very similar. Goretzka wasn’t a world class player. Not even a world class ‘talent’. He was a very good one though, in both senses, and in my eyes, no better than what I’ve seen from Longstaff, although the sample is smaller.
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We have not seen anything from Longstaff that proves he is on the same level as Mctominay let alone Goretzka.
 
Andycoleno9 said:
Unpopular opinion from non-English poster here but i think that because of our traditional culture we are in the mess now. We tried to have English core by force. Jones, Smalling, Lingard and Young are for years our regular starters( Jones when fit). I will now dare to say something what one of our mods hate; they are still in the club only because they are home-grown.
Of course that English club must have English core but not in that way. If that is our goal then i would rather that we overpay for Alli or Kane or Maguire who are among best English players now than us buying some basically unknown players
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Those players worked under the man who signed them, he'd have also disposed of them by now as he did best when player's fell below the standard requirement. The fact they're still with us has more to do with the people in charge of our departures and their incompetence. I despise the fact that Jones and Young have renewed with us, and you're probably right that them being English has something to do with it, but this bit of imcompetence can't cloud the importance of installing culture and teamwork back into the dressing room.
 
Massive Spanner said:
Don't know much about him so I don't want to comment yet. I'm going to need to see a five minute YouTube video of him before I can come to a conclusion as to whether he's good enough for us or not.
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:lol: Love it.
 
golden_blunder said:
That’s a good point missed by many. Ole said after the Cardiff game that basically very few are safe from being replaced. But it can’t all be done in 1 window and it can’t all be big name signings. I think the players we are being linked to indicates a more thought out transfer policy. But I suppose we’d best wait and see who arrives
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Hopefully but who knows with this club now, it’s been scattergun for years so any kind of coherence would be an improvement.

Herrera is gone, Pogba probably goes next summer if not before, Perreira the same, Matic has only one more year probably and Fred still has a lot to prove. Mctominay is only first team CM I expect to still be here in 2-3 years so I don’t see harm in bringing in this guy if price is ok and he’s deemed to have a lot of potential.
 
AR87 said:
Isn't the younger generation of English players considered some of the best in Europe? There's a reason why Sancho was bought by Dortmund and thrived, and Madrid snapped up Brahim Diaz. Bayern were in heavy for CHO. There are many more examples of good young English talent.
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I'm pretty sure Brahim Diaz is Spanish, so far Sancho is the only one to actually do anything at club level but there was interest in Hudson-Odoi, however I wouldn't class him on the same technical level as Sancho, he's more that fast, athletic type in the mold of Bale IMO. Overall though there isn't a wealth of british talent being hunted all over Europe.


luke511 said:
I would disagree with that. Also there's a reason why I said culture instead of country of birth because I know the difference like you've mentioned haha. You've kind of contradicted yourself by saying strong teams are rich in culture and philosophies, but us trying to recreate that environment is a "desperate attempt to recreate the fergie day's"? He's a good english talent in a position that needs addressing, there have been great technical English CMs in the past and there will be in the future.
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I don't see how I contradicted myself, my point was that the strong culture has nothing to do with where the players were born, you get the best talent with the best mentality regardless of their place of birth, that's what the best team in our country did and they hardly use any English players. Trying to go backwards instead of forwards rarely ever works and this sudden attempt to turn United into a mini England isn't the way to go IMO.


BeforeKeanetherewasRobson said:
As a very general rule, probably true but there's still good British talent out there and I guess we have to trust Ole/scouts.

While never a reason to ignore ability completely, there is always the risk of a young foreign player not settling abroad and that may be one consideration for buying some British players as long as similar (or close to) price/ability/potential of similar foreign players.

In terms of their experience/number of games.... yes, that's definitely a risk. Again, got to hope scouting done.

My ideal is a couple of young players and four more established ones. Can't see it though unfortunately.
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Truth is I'm short on trust and hope right now as we still don't even have a DOF, something we were told would happen before the manager was appointed, just another lie from this board, and we've done the trusting the manager/scouts thing with LvG and Mourinho, both vastly more proven than Ole and Phelan, and we got nowhere.

Ole is a shot in the dark who got the job when professional buinessmen got gassed like fanboys after a dozen games, and as I said we haven't even put a top DOF in place to help him and his total lack of experience. It just feels like the gameplan is to try and copy/paste Fergie's ideas from a bygone era, rather than bring something fresh to the club.
 
Longcock did very well for the barcodes. No idea if he is going to be top quality.
 
Apparently Rafa is a big fan of him, not sure we can get him for a reasonable price. Then again, who knows if Rafa even has a say in it.
 
Andycoleno9 said:
They are not from PL but i do think that our history with low profile signings tell us that it is just throwing money away. Miller, Obertan, Manucho, Djemba-Djemba, Prunier, Bebe, Buttner...

We need to spend on quality. It can be young player but who has quality already to play at highest level. Another "solid" player is the last thing that we need
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Prunier was a loan btw
 
This lad looks the real deal. He was fortunate to get his chance and he only played a handful of games but he’s got it.

If you look at who he played against (and their form at the time) and our results it tells it’s own story. The one unimpressive game was West Ham when he got injured. If he returns fit then we need to keep hold of him. In a good team he’d fit in perfectly.
 
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I'm sure he's a talent but this summer is worryingly starting to sound like Liverpool's 10/11 summer. Konchesky, Shelvey, Wilson. Just good but not incredible British prospects, and we know how that went.
 
Solius said:
I'm sure he's a talent but this summer is worryingly starting to sound like Liverpool's 10/11 summer. Konchesky, Shelvey, Wilson. Just good but not incredible British prospects, and we know how that went.
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I was going to post something along these lines but didn't quite fancy the artillery barrage from some of the oversensitive fannies we have on the forum. Good luck.
 
Skills said:
I was going to post something along these lines but didn't quite fancy the artillery barrage from some of the oversensitive fannies we have on the forum. Good luck.
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It is the time of the year where people will get excited about literally anyone we are linked with.
 
Solius said:
I'm sure he's a talent but this summer is worryingly starting to sound like Liverpool's 10/11 summer. Konchesky, Shelvey, Wilson. Just good but not incredible British prospects, and we know how that went.
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When Liverpool signed those lads were they young players or players who had already had time in the PL? Can't remember.

It is worrying - but the players we have been linked with so far are very obviously young and bought to build a squad of up and coming players that might improve. I hope so atleast.
 
If we were also signing someone like Ruben Neves and these lads were squad players I'd be fine with it. We'll have to wait and see but I feel like things are going to get worse before they get better.
 
Solius said:
If we were also signing someone like Ruben Neves and these lads were squad players I'd be fine with it. We'll have to wait and see but I feel like things are going to get worse before they get better.
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I like the idea of a player like Neves. We need more playmakers and are sorely lacking in that area. However from what I've heard Neves himself has been disappointing for Wolves
 
amolbhatia50k said:
I like the idea of a player like Neves. We need more playmakers and are sorely lacking in that area. However from what I've heard Neves himself has been disappointing for Wolves
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He has a good pass on him but isn't involved enough to dictate the tempo of that midfield. Ultimately there's a difference to having a good pass to having the ability to know the right pass at the right time alongside things like positioning and others.

From what I have heard moutinho is more important to Wolves than Neves. Neves isn't showing the Scholes or Carrick type control of the ball as a midfielder.
 
Aloysius's Back 3 said:
He has a good pass on him but isn't involved enough to dictate the tempo of that midfield. Ultimately there's a difference to having a good pass to having the ability to know the right pass at the right time alongside things like positioning and others.

From what I have heard moutinho is more important to Wolves than Neves. Neves isn't showing the Scholes or Carrick type control of the ball as a midfielder.
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Yeah I was quite interested in the player based on highlights but he needs to perform for Wolves at least before a huge fee is justifiable.
 
Solius said:
I'm sure he's a talent but this summer is worryingly starting to sound like Liverpool's 10/11 summer. Konchesky, Shelvey, Wilson. Just good but not incredible British prospects, and we know how that went.
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Konchesky was a 29 year old mid-table player, signed by his former manager who apparently didn't trust the club to sign someone he wasn't familiar with to deal with a problem position.

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NoPace said:
Konchesky was a 29 year old mid-table player, signed by his former manager who apparently didn't trust the club to sign someone he wasn't familiar with to deal with a problem position.

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You can't deny the summer sounds very Hodgson/Dalglish Liverpool so far though.
 
Solius said:
You can't deny the summer sounds very Hodgson/Dalglish Liverpool so far though.
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Very Dalglish. I don't have an issue with signing young players but we need to sign the best young players out there and not just because they're British. There's reports that we dropped interest in Sancho because 80 mil is too much, 50 is too much for Bissaka and we are unlikely to replace De Gea. Seems to me we are going after these players because they are cheap, and the whole UTD dna nonesense is designed to through fans off the scent.
 
Tsunami said:
This lad looks the real deal. He was fortunate to get his chance and he only played a handful of games but he’s got it.

If you look at who he played against (and their form at the time) and our results it tells it’s own story. The one unimpressive game was West Ham when he got injured. If he returns fit then we need to keep hold of him. In a good team he’d fit in perfectly.
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Cheers for the input, you reckon Mike Ashley will sell at the right price?
 
LawCharltonBest said:
I’ve never seen him play. But I know he plays for Newcastle United.

Hope this helps some of you
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At least you’re honest. We have a tonne of experts in here on him. They must have been avid fans while he was on loan at Blackoool or Kilmarnock.
 
This worries me. He looks more of a McTominay type than someone who can provide the creativity our midfield so sorely lacks. It really looks like we're sacrificing on quality for the sake of getting a player who will run around a bit.
 
Man City going all out for Rodri and we’re looking at this Longstaff fella. That’ll get us back into the top 4...
 
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