I'm not absolving them, I just can't stand for the questioning of their work rate and commitment to the cause. On the field they have all made errors, you're right, but this is football. I don't like to see a squad of players I love ripped to shreds, even though it's obvious that they are victims of a draconian set up. Anyway, I think by this point it's clear that they're playing the way that Moyes intends.
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I'm not absolving them, I just can't stand for the questioning of their work rate and commitment to the cause. On the field they have all made errors, you're right, but this is football. I don't like to see a squad of players I love ripped to shreds, even though it's obvious that they are victims of a draconian set up. Anyway, I think by this point it's clear that they're playing the way that Moyes intends.
Agreed. When things go to shit, the extemes at both ends of the spectrum come into their own. The poor old divils are all just blundering around in the dark at the moment, doing their best, hoping for something to go right. Eventually, it will.
Would be one of my targets this summer
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Rafael-hater! Booo!
I agree. I love his directness when running with the ball but he's also got good technique to back it up. Looks fairly solid in defence too, no worse than Rafael at least.
He also has the strange habit of looking into the box when he's attempting a cross....
Rafael-hater! Booo!
I honestly think Rafael is unhappy here
he should be bloody unhappy with his form this season, and his continuous sick-note ways.
Better then Rafael if I'm honest
Most people on here would agree with you. But Everton will ask for a fortune for him. Rafael has been bad this season.
Honestly don't think Rafael has been anywhere near 'poor' this season. He can put in a solid enough performance this season that he'll get dogs abuse for which wouldn't have got him any criticism last season (see any of his last 4 games). Once the fans turn on you it's very hard to change their perception it seems, that and a combination of being injured is now equated to playing badly.
It's plain exaggeration. Rafael barely featured in the first half and when he did, his performances ranged from good to very good. I'd actually love to know which performances in said period were poor. Thus far this year, he's been poor, but that isn't enough to label his overall level this season as mediocre.
Yeah, United might not want to go back to Everton because of the high fees they demand. But there are a lot more options out there for RBs than there are for LBs.
agreed but he also tends to miss lot of games due to injuries. How many injury prone players can our squad afford to have?
I made this point in his thread. He's had a poor season for me not because of his performances (which have mostly been fine) but because of him being constantly out when we need him. Last summer, I wanted Varela to be given a chance as I believed that he has the quality to offer us a solid job at right back. Now, I find myself wanting a back up right back, or someone who is going to challenge Rafael.
Varela is good, Coleman is the best right back in the league (both in terms of form and talent) and he's 25. A decent age for a move to a big club. Rafael may be as good as Coleman in a couple of years when he's 25. He may also become too much of a sick note and barely play in that time. We can't know or assume.
If he wasn't at Everton I'd want us to try and sign him. He's excellent. Best RB in the league along with Zabaleta.
If he was Italian/German he would get more praise IMO
Rafael was a better player than him last season.
This seasons Coleman is just as good as last seasons Rafael.
Nope.
Was Coleman playing right back fulltime last season or was he still being used right midfield?
It was a bit of both IIRC.
Mainly right back, the season before he was deployed on the wing a bit more.
Full-time. Most improved player due to be playing in his best position and a quality season showing his potential there.
Ahh. It was the season before on the wing then?
Yeah, last season with Mirallas joining and Hibbert being out it opened up the RB spot for him and I am heavily thankful for it happening.
Getting rid of Moyes has unleashed some players at Everton, United could try that too?
If Rafael wasn't made of biscuit i'd be dead against this, but he gets injured way too often.
I'd take him in a heartbeat, fantastic player. As good as Rafael is far to injury prone and can be very reckless at times.
If Rafael could stay fit I'd take him, but if feels like he's always injured, if we wanted to play 4-3-3 I don't think we could rely on him.
If Rafael could stay fit I'd take him, but if feels like he's always injured, if we wanted to play 4-3-3 I don't think we could rely on him.
We could do with another option at right back but I think I'd prefer someone with a defend first mentality. Not sure Coleman is that.
The resident Scousers are now the voices of reason around here. This is a new low.
Moyes clearly deserves no credit for signing Coleman as an unknown 20-year-old and slowly building him up to be one of the best full-backs in the country.
We have bigger fish to fry than an alternative at RB.
Would he really be an alternative though?
I'm not saying he's worth what we'd have to pay or that they aren't bigger priorities (they are), but he's currently a better RB than Rafael and we would likely see an end to this whole fiasco of playing Smalling/Jones/Valencia there (more important than ever given Rio/Vidic's imminent departure and they fact that we need them to start playing in CB properly now).
If he didn't interfere with our main priorities I'd take him in a heartbeat. I'd take him over Baines anyway, that's for sure.
He's had a better season that Rafael but I'd wait before branding him the better RB personally. Rafael was superb last season and didnt miss too many games due to injury either. Started 28 games and was on the bench twice. You cant expect more from a fullback.
I'd love to have another option at RB too but what we should be looking for is a deputy to Rafael. Coleman wont be that guy. If we get Coleman in, he'd want to start and I dont see Rafael content with the backup role either. Given a choice between the 2, Rafael would be my pick.
EDIT: Coleman missed more games due to injuries last season than Rafael. So, saying we should get him because Rafael's very injury prone doesnt add up either. Rafael has had injuries this season, doesnt mean one should get another RB in. He's at a stage where his body is filling up, he's 23. Injuries are part and parcel of that.
Exactly. Buying an older player with less potential would be ludicrous to me. It's not as if Coleman will be happy on the bench if/when Rafael gets over his injury problems and returns to the form he showed last season/start of this season. We need to be looking at a younger understudy who would be happy playing 10-15 games a season and improving to provide competition to Rafael (maybe Varela is that person?)
Why are you on about injuries? I never mentioned them.
Ignore that bit, that was in general because of what's being discussed in the thread. What about the rest of the post?
Well, obviously I disagree, if Coleman is available, doesn't cost a bomb and doesn't interfere with our priority purchases then why not buy him? Obviously if buying him stopped us getting a midfielder or what-not, I'd say no, but I doubt that'll be the case.
EDIT: It's all rumours anyway, meh, let's see.
And do what with Rafael?