Ok. But genuine question - is he better than last season's Rafael ?
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Ok. But genuine question - is he better than last season's Rafael ?
No More Everton Gash! For bloody hell's sake!
Reading on here, ooh what about Barkley, McCarthy, Coleman etc. We have enough of their gash, unless we're delighted with constantly forever being 5-7th.
And relax.
It's always amusing how defensive people get about Rafael on here.
You know the caf love for the lesser-talented Brazilians.
Gash? I don't know how you can call them gash when they'd walk into our side. If they improve our team and are available for a good price then it would be a good signing. Whether they are from Everton, Real Madrid or Sunday League makes no difference.
It's because you have a left back right at the end of his career, a mixture of centre backs who are either over the hill, or still have tonnes to learn, with Evans who will never be the must play type of some of our legendary centre backs. You have wingers who have barely turned up for 18months, Mata who looks criminally under used , 27.5m spent to fix a centre midfield problem everyone knows about, yet hasn't done it in the slightest, Carrick underpar, a gang of other midfielders who can do it for the odd game every so often.
And people think signing what would be a new first choice right back is anywhere even near a priority!
For me, yes.
Those players are good enough to be in any title challenging squad.
It's why I never understood the vilifying of Cleverley, someone who at least can't be faulted for effort, whereas the lazy, unmotivated Anderson was always given a free pass.
I guess if the face fits...
We've enough of their gash? Who? Our third highest ever goalscorer and Fellaini, who needs to be given time?
Everton are playing great stuff this year. They have a poor attack but McCarthy would waltz into our team, so would Coleman and Baines.
Me too. I would love Arsenal to sign him if Sagna leaves.
Raphael can still become one of the best RB's in Europe, but as it stands I'd take Coleman.
Coleman's Irish!
But the point is - Is it wise to spend 15-20 million on a position where there might be a 10 maybe 20 % improvement ? When we have greater needs - wing, mid fielder, left back both first choice and backup, possibly central defence. Wouldn't the time and money wasted chasing Coleman be better utilised addressing those issues first ? Not to mention we have to take FFP into account if we intent to splurge on essential positions.
its nowhere near to average British and Irish players.
Who cares? That was last season.
Last season he was managed by our manager, a man who has managed to make the league winners look like relegation contenders at times. His form from that period is probably a good view to take on Coleman. When it comes to Everton players, you got to take the Moyes factor into account - when it comes to any player in fact.
Even then it's still a tremendous waste of money when you consider the other problems in our side, unless we get him for dirt cheap(not going to happen) or Rafael's injury problems are not going away.
Even then it's still a tremendous waste of money when you consider the other problems in our side, unless we get him for dirt cheap(not going to happen) or Rafael's injury problems are not going away.
It's difficult for me to write this because I don't know how Moyes wants to set up but I'm assuming it will be the following:
So I would say:
Position: 1st choice / 2nd choice
GK: De Gea / Lindergaard
LB: New / New
CB: Jones / Evans
CB: New / Smalling
RB: New / Rafael (possibly Rafael / New, I have a feeling Rafael isn't first choice for Moyes)
DLP: New / Carrick
BWM: Fellaini / New
LAM: New / Januzaj
RAM: Mata / Zaha
SS: Rooney / Powell
ST: RVP / Welbeck
And then the extras such as Giggs, Cleverley, Fletcher, Valencia, Lingard offering another dimension when needed and covering for injured players.
To be honest I don't even know whether Moyes will do the above, he might not fancy Zaha or want to give Powell a chance but since we have young talented players then it makes sense to provide game time so they can develop.
My priority therefore would be to target in the summer:
1) First choice left back
2) First choice DLP
3) First choice LAM
4) First choice CB
And then either try to convert Valencia to RB if at all possible otherwise contemplate promoting Varela or getting somebody on loan for cover and let Rafael play there for now, and then next summer:
5) First choice RB
6) second choice BWM
7) Second choice LB
Therefore I don't think Seamus is needed this season unless Moyes strongly feels Rafael cannot perform the role he requires.
- Full backs flying down the wing therefore they must not just be strong defensively but attacking wise too with strong crossing ability (Baines like 38% crossing accuracy is most ideal here).
- Central midfielders that hold the position allowing the full backs to bomb down the wing and so will cover for them, they must both be defensively sound however one must be able to play make from deep therefore a DLP and BWM would be most ideal.
- Wide players coming inside therefore playing as inside forwards moreso than traditional wingers.
- A second striker.
- And obviously, GK, CBs and ST.
So I would say:
Position: 1st choice / 2nd choice
GK: De Gea / Lindergaard
LB: New / New
CB: Jones / Evans
CB: New / Smalling
RB: New / Rafael (possibly Rafael / New, I have a feeling Rafael isn't first choice for Moyes)
DLP: New / Carrick
BWM: Fellaini / New
LAM: New / Januzaj
RAM: Mata / Zaha
SS: Rooney / Powell
ST: RVP / Welbeck
And then the extras such as Giggs, Cleverley, Fletcher, Valencia, Lingard offering another dimension when needed and covering for injured players.
To be honest I don't even know whether Moyes will do the above, he might not fancy Zaha or want to give Powell a chance but since we have young talented players then it makes sense to provide game time so they can develop.
My priority therefore would be to target in the summer:
1) First choice left back
2) First choice DLP
3) First choice LAM
4) First choice CB
And then either try to convert Valencia to RB if at all possible otherwise contemplate promoting Varela or getting somebody on loan for cover and let Rafael play there for now, and then next summer:
5) First choice RB
6) second choice BWM
7) Second choice LB
Therefore I don't think Seamus is needed this season unless Moyes strongly feels Rafael cannot perform the role he requires.
You're nitpicking - you know what I mean. Learned his trade at a PL club and no settling in period.
I think McCarthy would be a good buy if we fail to buy someone of the Vidal/Kroos/Gundogan quality. He's been fantastic every time I watched him and I think he can easily make the step up to a title challenging side. He is everything I hoped Cleverley will become (energetic, quick, good passing...). Having said that, he was signed for ~13m and will be going nowhere for less than 20m probably.
We don't need Coleman or Barkley so I agree there. Baines is probably not an ideal buy in terms of value considering his age. I don't think anyone else in that Everton team is good enough for us to target.
For feck sake
He learned his trade in Sligo actually, he played there till he was 20. More rubbish
Thats not nit-picking at all, just clarifying an important fact - he's from Donegal, same place as Pete Storey apparantly. You should have said British Based Employee from Ireland
If a top Spanish club came in for him he'd be gone (but they haven't)
How come no-one else is after him tho?
I've never heard of any speculation linking him to another club to be honest dude!
Pete, can you clear this up please. You're not from Donegal ffs are ya?
It'll be another few years before McCarthy available again, I think. He'd have been a quality signing this summer instead of Fellaini (as many of us said at the time). Then again, a good few people were convinced Cleverley was a fair bit better than him so I guess they'd have been unhappy either way.
But has become a very good player in the PL as oppose to other potential targets from other leagues who might not take to the style of play or the weather.
Id suggest Everton have had more of an impact then playing semi-pro standard back home.
He wasn't a PL player when he signed so I think it'd fair comment to say he learned his trade over here.
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I think McCarthy would be a good buy along with a Gundogan. Barkley would be an excellent buy for you too.
Thats not nit-picking at all, just clarifying an important fact - he's from Donegal, same place as Pete Storey apparantly. You should have said British Based Employee from Ireland
I was aware he was Irish and evidently should have clarified.
He's a PL player, would likely settle quickly etc - as opposed to a player from another country, continent and culture.
Id take quality british/Irish PL players wherever possible if they're up to the standard we need.
I like Seamus Coleman. I think he has great potential and has never say die attitude. Of course, he has all the characteristics to be a good Man Utd player - good going forward and hard working in defence.
I'm only worried that our players might start to wonder why Moyes is only going after Everton players. Admittedly, it shouldn't matter where the player's from as long as he's good. But, I think he should consider getting the big buys first.
I'm only worried that our players might start to wonder why Moyes is only going after Everton players. Admittedly, it shouldn't matter where the player's from as long as he's good. But, I think he should consider getting the big buys first.
If it wasn't for the stigma of the Fellaini signing and Moyes making us a bit shit then signing Coleman would be a lot more popular. He's definitely a very good player.
Doubt there's anyone here thinks he's not good enough. Simply out, we have Rafael here which makes signing him pointless. Fellaini or Moyes have nothing to do with this.
Fellaini and Moyes have nothing to do with it? Have you read the fecking thread?
From the last two pages alone.
"I'm only worried that our players might start to wonder why Moyes is only going after Everton players."
"No More Everton Gash! For bloody hell's sake!"
"When it comes to Everton players, you got to take the Moyes factor into account"
"Why did Moyes even come to us? What's the point in that?
He is basically just buying the Everton squad, can't we just send him back there?"
"Everton have shown over Fellaini and Baines they wont do bargain business so we will probably end up paying a world class fee for a good (but not that good player)"
"David moyes talking to his backroom staff "we need a rightback who should we get roundy" "get seamus boss" "who should we get lummy" "get seamus boss" "who should we get Nev" "get seamus boss""
"Moyes, coaches, Fellaini is far too much as it is. Any more from that club and our team will end up playing the Moyes brand of boring football."
And that's just posters who have vocalized it. United are a laughing stock in England at the moment and signing Coleman would definitely bring up lots more Everton jokes. That kind of thing undoubtedly has an impact on the fans preferences.
Of course Rafael is another issue. I never said it wasn't.
There are always some idiots, thought that would be obvious. You could do a Poll asking why people dont want coleman. Option a> Rafael already with us. b> He's from Everton. You'd get your answer.
Except he isn't only going after Everton players is he - he signed one, perhaps wants another. I suspect we have numerous targets this summer.
If they want him, or any player I suspect given last summer's antics they'll try to get as many deals done as early as possible.
Yeap, I agree.
Sound man
Sadly there's not too many top class Irish players about the league (United quality) & hasnt been for a while man. McCarthy is gonna be a great player for Ireland, so i'm thrilled about that - especially as he plays in CM. I'd high hopes for Robbie Brady at United, but its good to see he's holding his own for his club & is gettin a look in for the national team too.
There's much more chance that players from these Isles will stay with the club & wont have this longing to play for sunnier climate clubs..
You're being too kind me aul china. I could go a little bit further than that, but i gotta move on. January was another feckin shambles aswell though. feckin Cabaye was there for the takin for Christ sake
There'll be shitloads of targets thats for sure - its gettin them & also having options B,C,D etc for each type of player we need, if option A is no-go. Just move on if the feeling is we're being fecked around. None of this wankin around spunkin vital months on players that are never gonna leave their clubs, but using us as bait for game-time or bumper paydays.
I'd say a deal for Coleman could be done pretty quickly if he wants to come. He'd be mental not to want to come to us ffs. Baines to me has shown a lack of ambition & is obviously on easy street in his home town. Maybe he thinks he'll be on the wane in a season or two & then what? Which is fair enough i guess. Who knows why he didnt want to come. He wouldnt even have had to move house either. I think Fellaini actually lived in Manchester anyway - cant blame him
Sound man
Sadly there's not too many top class Irish players about the league (United quality) & hasnt been for a while man. McCarthy is gonna be a great player for Ireland, so i'm thrilled about that - especially as he plays in CM. I'd high hopes for Robbie Brady at United, but its good to see he's holding his own for his club & is gettin a look in for the national team too.
There's much more chance that players from these Isles will stay with the club & wont have this longing to play for sunnier climate clubs..
Indeed. Over the years we've had top Irish/scottish and English players. I'd be sad to see us go down the route of fielding totally foreign sides even just occasionally as Arsenal and (I think) City have done in the recent past.
I think if these players are good enough it helps you build a side long term.
You're being too kind me aul china. I could go a little bit further than that, but i gotta move on. January was another feckin shambles aswell though. feckin Cabaye was there for the takin for Christ sake
There'll be shitloads of targets thats for sure - its gettin them & also having options B,C,D etc for each type of player we need, if option A is no-go. Just move on if the feeling is we're being fecked around. None of this wankin around spunkin vital months on players that are never gonna leave their clubs, but using us as bait for game-time or bumper paydays.
I'd say a deal for Coleman could be done pretty quickly if he wants to come. He'd be mental not to want to come to us ffs. Baines to me has shown a lack of ambition & is obviously on easy street in his home town. Maybe he thinks he'll be on the wane in a season or two & then what? Which is fair enough i guess. Who knows why he didnt want to come. He wouldnt even have had to move house either. I think Fellaini actually lived in Manchester anyway - cant blame him
To be fair I think January is always difficult because most clubs struggle to get a replacement in if they loses player, hence they wait until the summer.
United need to act decisively and quietly to get their business done early. It stops the rumours and keeps the pressure of the players, management and club.
Totally dig that man.
We'd never go down the route of never fielding English players in a side though - we stack up to a certain extent, but the Academy has to be the key to continuing that tradition, because i dont see a great number of special young or matured English players about that would improve us into Champions League winners.
The likes of Coleman & Shaw would be long-termers at United & are good enough for United more importantly. They would vastly improve us & maybe Lallana could aswell, but i'm still not so sure...
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