Theresa May ensuring a union flag is in shot behind her wherever she's interviewed would be hilarious in normal times.
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Ah, feck, that's better than mine.
Wrong or not I can't help but feel like her sneering response yesterday and today were exactly what the SNP were looking for.
How can anyone argue that Theresa May cares at all about the wishes of Scots after what she has said and done?
Also I feel like for all her posturing about 'leverage' she's just created a huge open goal for the EU to cosy up to Scotland when they think things are sticking a bit.
She's actually shockingly (relatively) popular up there
I am thinking the same. I don't think that the SNP really wanted a referendum in 2019 and knew that Downing Street would knock them back. This just helps to create a bigger divide and aids the SNP's end goal.
It also helps them create a different political narrative to Scotland's impending economic troubles under their governance, which are in part caused by 'indyref2'.
It is clever politics.
I'd say she's at best divisive if you look at the detailed breakdown. The fact she's considered 10 points less favourable than Ruth Davidson (and at exactly the same percentage of people who consider her to be doing 'well' is exactly the same as those that consider Sturgeon to be doing badly), and the much stronger support amongst Conservative voters for both Conservatives than anyone else, suggests she's probably favourable amongst the right and the Brexit crowd but enjoys poor or non existent support outside of those circles.
Almost exactly the same percentage of people that voted for Brexit in Scotland (38%) think May is doing well (37%) which is surely more than a coincidence.
It's actually quite impressive how uniformly disliked he is up there, across all subcategories from independence to EU to party affiliation to age.
In addition to the obvious (he's stunningly useless), I imagine that type of middle class, theory-driven socialist from a leafy part of the south of England probably doesn't play too well up there.
Looking at the UK as a whole, it's a genuine tragedy that this pillock is leader of the opposition at such a fraught and divisive time.
Very apt.
Ruth Davidson is a big character with a lot of charisma and genuinely likeable for a politician. It counts for a lot.
I think the whole "Scots hate the English" narrative gets overplayed. He's just not a very effective politician.
True... I suspect corbyn would get a similar score if the poll was in England as well
It was more of a personal hunch than the "Scots hate the English" cliche. I am from the North of England and Corbyn rubs me up the wrong way. I get the impression he read about the "working class" in books and he is detached from reality.
From personal experience Corbyn isn't liberal enough (if you talk to voters who support people like Salmond or Sturgeon) and too socialist for the more conservative voters. He's basically like the prawn cocktail on a menu, everyone looking at it already sees something else on the list that they would rather have.
What do you mean isn't liberal enough, economically?
"Liberal" maybe isn't the right word, although I do mean it in the classical sense. At least for myself and the people I know up here, we want our politicians to be "liberal" in the sense that they're not afraid to just speak their minds and not pull their punches. Corbyn comes across as too "polite" and not militant enough. Whereas Salmond and Sturgeon, for all of their bullshit, will at least get in your face. It's more complicated than that but I've been drinking beer, and I'm annoyed because I can't watch the football since some teenager keeps coming into the room and talking about how her life is ruined because someone did some shit or other. I'm not really sure what she's saying since as I'm typing this right now and she's still yammering on
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Nicola Sturgeon 2013: Referendum is a once in a lifetime opportunity for Scotland
Nicola Sturgeon 2017: I meant the lifetime of a guinea pig12:19 pm · 13 Mar 2017
Larry the Cat @Number10cat
Nicola Sturgeon 2013: Referendum is a once in a lifetime opportunity for Scotland
Nicola Sturgeon 2017: I meant the lifetime of a guinea pig12:19 pm · 13 Mar 2017
"Liberal" maybe isn't the right word, although I do mean it in the classical sense. At least for myself and the people I know up here, we want our politicians to be "liberal" in the sense that they're not afraid to just speak their minds and not pull their punches. Corbyn comes across as too "polite" and not militant enough. Whereas Salmond and Sturgeon, for all of their bullshit, will at least get in your face. It's more complicated than that but I've been drinking beer, and I'm annoyed because I can't watch the football since some teenager keeps coming into the room and talking about how her life is ruined because someone did some shit or other. I'm not really sure what she's saying since as I'm typing this right now and she's still yammering on
I see what you are saying. Scottish politicians do tend to be forthright and confrontational. Corbyn is meek and uninteresting in contrast.
It is interesting how important personality is for Scottish voters as I would have thought Corbyn would have spoken to the Scots on a purely political level. It also helps explain Ruth Davidson's relative popularity up there.
Nothing says ' A united Scotland' like calling around half the population dumb.
I wonder what Turdgeon would want more, an indepemdant Scotland or a luv in with the eu?
Shes feckin bonkers
Shes feckin bonkers
He's Labour. Labour are reviled in Scotland. It is no indication of the man...Gandhi would be hated if he were Labour leader.
His politics, which I'm sure would be broadly popular north of the border are irrelevant - he's Labour.
That doesn't explain why he's equally unpopular with Labour voters up there.
The Labour voters who remain are broadly centerist, pro Union (as in of the Kingdom as opposed to Trade) and pro EU opposed to the more left side of the base, who Corbyn won't appeal to. Most of the left have defected from Labour due to various factors, primarily Labour's drift to the right beginning under Blair. Labours demise began in the 90s, escalated with Iraq and hit its peak during the Indy ref. The Labour party is dead in Scotland and the appointment of a more conventional leader won't help at all. As an aside, I personally quite like Corbyn.
Corbyn is the antithesis of Blairism within the Labour movement.
Yeah, the main problem with Corbyn is that anyone who's even remotely left-wing in Scotland has (for the most part) switched to support of independence, and thus have abandoned Labour. There's not really any place for a left-wing unionist in Scotland because they look laughable telling us they'll get into power when they're up against Tory dominance down south. Corbyn's a unionist, but not a strong unionist, meaning people strongly against independence will be hesitant with him too.
Scotland was a Labour country until not too long ago. The people in charge are the ones that have lost the electorate's support, not because of their title.
Again; Corbyn is a prawn cocktail.
I know it was. It is now not, due to people in charge but not the current incumbent.
Yes. I know. He appeals to the left, who have long abandoned Labour in Scotland. Those who still vote Labour (or would) are broadly Blairite, which was my point regarding Corbyn's popularity amongst Labour voters.
That's literally what I was saying man! Corbyn is competing for the left vote against a party who are perceived to have stronger left wing politicians.Ah feck me. Beer and comprehension are not happy bedfellows. I'm arguing to agree with you. *Bows in apology, fecks off until the morning*
There's another thing that we can agree on as well; your username really is glorious
That excuse doesn't make much sense either, Theresa May has far better ratings among the SNP ffs!
Who isn't Labour! Labour are so unpopular, May is more popular, especially amongst SNP voters.
And yet Dugdale is also more popular among the SNP... So he's unpopular among Labour because they're Blairite and all the real lefties have gone to the SNP and hate Labour, but they're still happier with the rightwing and unionist Theresa May. Dugdale is I suppose better liked because...she's Scottish? And Davidson because she can take a solid penalty.
Occam's razor is telling me here that he's just not particularly well liked by anyone because he's a bit incompetent.
Occam's razor is telling me here that he's just not particularly well liked by anyone because he's a bit incompetent.
He's certain not a modern politician, no and undoubtedly that doesn't help. Add in anti EU and it's worse. However, if he weren't Labour, or it were 15 years ago I seriously doubt he'd be polling these kind of figures. Occam's razor only applies when there aren't other valid hypotheses and here there are. By association with Labour, Corbyn actions are pretty much meaningless.
I can't prove this, but I'm pretty certain a change in Labour leader would not save Scottish Labour from their current predicament.
Can agree on that at least.
The thing is that the SNP aren't even that left-wing. For the most part they're perceived as broadly centrist, but with a bit of a heart and a conscience...not quite seen in the sort of soulless vein New Labour often came to be perceived in.
I think it's often a lot more down to perception. The SNP have been putting across a consistent, understandable message for years, and it's managed to resonate. Labour haven't. The thing about their decline is that 2015 was sort of the final drop-off; they'd slowly been losing votes ever since their first election to the Scottish Parliament in 1999 (albeit very little at first), which eventually saw the SNP take power, saw Labour collapse in Holyrood in 2011, and then at UK level in 2015.
I think it's often a lot more down to perception. The SNP have been putting across a consistent, understandable message for years, and it's managed to resonate. Labour haven't. The thing about their decline is that 2015 was sort of the final drop-off; they'd slowly been losing votes ever since their first election to the Scottish Parliament in 1999 (albeit very little at first), which eventually saw the SNP take power, saw Labour collapse in Holyrood in 2011, and then at UK level in 2015.