Scott McTominay | Transfer discussion not performance discussion

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He is the most anti-Brighton player I can think of. Hides from the ball and not good at passing.

I think the only teams interested on him are teams managed by dinosaurs like Moyes. Unfortunately, he is probably the last dinosaur in EPL so we are likely stuck with McTom cause we became too greedy.

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Exactly. Brighton are the moneyball club of the PL - they look for players, with great underlying stats but are relatively cheap. McTominay is the mistake they're trying not to make - a player that all the underlying stats suggest is below average, but is massively overvalued.

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That's a PL midfielder playing for Manchester United.
 
Those who says McT still has a lot to offer, are you also happy if he takes away playing time that can be given to Mainoo/Mejbri/Gore? He might be a decent backup player for the B2B midfield role, but I would much rather we give that spot to someone who has already shown they can and will do more than McT, even possibly be more consistent than him at a younger age. Mainoo is already most probably ahead of him in EtH’s plans.

Leeds aren’t even in the PL anymore to make McT look good twice a season.
 
He is the most anti-Brighton player I can think of. Hides from the ball and not good at passing.

I think the only teams interested on him are teams managed by dinosaurs like Moyes. Unfortunately, he is probably the last dinosaur in EPL so we are likely stuck with McTom cause we became too greedy.
Sean Dyche and Everton say hi
 
"Stuck with him."

You'd think he was a Weghorst type the way people go on.

He's a good player. Use him correctly and he'll be useful this season.

Just don't play him as a 6.
He‘s worse than Weghorst.

Him being an academy graduate is the only reason he made it past 100 games. If he was a signing from outside, fans will be crying for the manager to get sacked for persisting with him beyond 10 games.

He belongs in the championship.
 
But you said the number of clubs chasing a player says how good they are. At best Hojlund had two. In reality probably just us given how vague the PSG rumours were.

By your own reasoning Hojlund can't be all that.

How many are after Amrabat? Seems like just us. He must be no good either.

A number of clubs are linked to Amarbat.

Scott has had one concrete club look for him and look how that has gone. He's an average player that every year gets hyped up that "can do a job" and rarely dies even that. We have been overrun more times with him in midfield by average opposition more times than I can count. We missed our window to get rid and he will be sold for a fee like Fred's next year.
 
He‘s worse than Weghorst.

Him being an academy graduate is the only reason he made it past 100 games. If he was a signing from outside, fans will be crying for the manager to get sacked for persisting with him beyond 10 games.

He belongs in the championship.

Can’t believe we turned down 30M £ for him. Can only pray Moyes is stupid enough to come back with a higher offer.
 
He is the most anti-Brighton player I can think of. Hides from the ball and not good at passing.

I think the only teams interested on him are teams managed by dinosaurs like Moyes. Unfortunately, he is probably the last dinosaur in EPL so we are likely stuck with McTom cause we became too greedy.
Yep. 30m was a good offer despite a lot of posters claiming it wasn't enough. He'll barely play next season and we'll be lucky to get 15m next summer.
 
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Exactly. Brighton are the moneyball club of the PL - they look for players, with great underlying stats but are relatively cheap. McTominay is the mistake they're trying not to make - a player that all the underlying stats suggest is below average, but is massively overvalued.

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That's a PL midfielder playing for Manchester United.

It is something that baffles me constantly, this guy gets minutes in center midfield for Manchester United. A midfielder at a top club should want the ball at all times and be looking to make things happen but McTominay constantly puts himself out of the play but not attempting to find space, which puts team mates under pressure by giving them one less option. The sooner we get away from players of this ilk even being in our squad, the better.
 
Might live to regret this, when we are selling him for 15M next summer(Lingard/Henderson vibes).

Also I wonder how the CAF will feel when we are not able to buy someone like Amrabat, and we continue with McT as our Casemiro deputy.
 
Might live to regret this, when we are selling him for 15M next summer(Lingard/Henderson vibes).

Also I wonder how the CAF will feel when we are not able to buy someone like Amrabat, and we continue with McT as our Casemiro deputy.

Think the word would be gutted
 
People claiming he's Championship quality should watch a Scotland game or two. Sure he's not good enough to start for United, but he could be very useful to a lot of teams in the league.
 
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Exactly. Brighton are the moneyball club of the PL - they look for players, with great underlying stats but are relatively cheap. McTominay is the mistake they're trying not to make - a player that all the underlying stats suggest is below average, but is massively overvalued.

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That's a PL midfielder playing for Manchester United.
It's mental, isn't it? As much flack as Fred caught, at least he would actually show for the football.

Scott McTominay is the smallest tall midfielder I've ever seen. Hides from it.
 
People claiming he's Championship quality should watch a Scotland game or two. Sure he's not good enough to start for United, but he could be very useful to a lot of teams in the league.
Several players in the Scotland squad actually play in the Championship so I'm not sure what those games are supposed to prove.
 
People claiming he's Championship quality should watch a Scotland game or two. Sure he's not good enough to start for United, but he could be very useful to a lot of teams in the league.

Oh yeah there are teams he would suit well
 
It's mental, isn't it? As much flack as Fred caught, at least he would actually show for the football.

Scott McTominay is the smallest tall midfielder I've ever seen. Hides from it.

Fred was capable but erratic. He had tons more ability and talent than McTominay, but was too inconsistent.

I reckon McTominay himself knows he doesn't really belong here. He's the biggest fluke at the club - he should never have made it through to the first team. He never made a Scottish youth team - that's mental to me, considering youth team internationals for far, far more competitive national teams don't often make it here.
 
Honestly, I almost hope he starts tonight just to boil even more piss.
 
Are you sure that entirely hinges on selling McTominay?

Nothing to do with Henderson, Beek, Williams etc?

Only because McTominay gives us the most money,god knows what's going on with Donny and Henderson won't leave due to Heaton injury
 
Even more reason to accept 30m then.

Nah, long term its more important to stand firm and only accept bids that reach or are close to your valuations.

West Ham are absolutely swimming in cash, if they really wanted McTom they would of bid higher.
 
Delusional?

Moyes likes Mctominay and he obliterated Spain with his 2 goals for Scotland and he is experienced in PL and have a good work ethic so i think Moyes still want him.
Yes, because Paqueta is a completely different type of player and McT has definitely never been considrred as his replacement. And whether Moyes likes him or not, West Ham must have decided 40m is too expensive for him.
 
Nah, long term its more important to stand firm and only accept bids that reach or are close to your valuations.

West Ham are absolutely swimming in cash, if they really wanted McTom they would of bid higher.
The problem lies in the fact that better players are available for the price we want, like JWP that West Ham signed instead.
 
Nah, long term its more important to stand firm and only accept bids that reach or are close to your valuations.

West Ham are absolutely swimming in cash, if they really wanted McTom they would of bid higher.
If your evaluations are nuts and you refuse to compromise on it, then all it achieves are having not good enough players in the payroll and getting no money from them.

It is what we have been doing for years.

Step 1: offer high salary to not that good players.
Step 2: when someone wants to buy them, put a high price on them.
Step 3: considering that no one is buying the players and their contract is expiring, extend their contract.
Step 4: the player is not that good and thus not playing much, thus the value lowers further.
Step 5: loan them in their last 1-2 years, often paying part of their salaries or sell them for far less money than we could have done before.
Step 6: complain that there is an anti-United tax that teams offer for our players less than if they were playing in other clubs.

Same might happen here, no one in their right mind would pay 40m for him and it seems that only Moyes is desperate/stupid enough to pay 30m. He won’t play much this season, then next season we will try to sell for 15-20m. Or loan him at the ridiculous hope that he will suddenly either become good enough for us, or so we can sell for more in the future, neither of which will happen.

We have seen this movie with Lingard and Henderson before.
 
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Exactly. Brighton are the moneyball club of the PL - they look for players, with great underlying stats but are relatively cheap. McTominay is the mistake they're trying not to make - a player that all the underlying stats suggest is below average, but is massively overvalued.

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That's a PL midfielder playing for Manchester United.

How people could even put him and Fred in the same sentence let alone the same phrase is mind boggling. Fred is on a different planet.
 
People claiming he's Championship quality should watch a Scotland game or two. Sure he's not good enough to start for United, but he could be very useful to a lot of teams in the league.
If we go by the standards of the players in Scotland’s team, the league you’re referring to is the Championship or the Scottish league.
 
So you aren't pissed off at the fact we still lack a backup DM and a DLP too

Concerned but that is not on the club and not McT, not going to blame him, one of our lowest paid first team players, for the poor planning above him.
 
Those who says McT still has a lot to offer, are you also happy if he takes away playing time that can be given to Mainoo/Mejbri/Gore? He might be a decent backup player for the B2B midfield role, but I would much rather we give that spot to someone who has already shown they can and will do more than McT, even possibly be more consistent than him at a younger age. Mainoo is already most probably ahead of him in EtH’s plans.

Leeds aren’t even in the PL anymore to make McT look good twice a season.
The truth is that he isn’t good enough to compete for a starting place. The aim will be to get him out but I have a hunch that the budget is getting tight and that’s why we’re waiting for the right offer.
 
Tonight shows why we can’t haggle too much. Not because it was his fault our midfield was so poor but because he’s not trusted to come on and improve it. Need the funds so we can get in at least one player who is trusted.
 
Tonight shows why we can’t haggle too much. Not because it was his fault our midfield was so poor but because he’s not trusted to come on and improve it. Need the funds so we can get in at least one player who is trusted.
We've known this for years and he still survives every window. We will end up missing Fred when we need to rely on McTominay (I actually cant believe what I just typed.).
 
Tonight shows why we can’t haggle too much. Not because it was his fault our midfield was so poor but because he’s not trusted to come on and improve it. Need the funds so we can get in at least one player who is trusted.
No, the match against Wolves showed exactly why we can't sell him right now.

Manchester United are not in a position to sell our only other experienced PL midfielder. Mount and Bruno are still experiments. Mainoo is a kid. Eriksen is almost done. Casemiro is potentially not far behind.

Amrabat needs to be an addition to our current options. It would be madness to sell McTominay (our lowest paid senior player) at the same time we bring a player who's going to need time to settle into the team.
 
No, the match against Wolves showed exactly why we can't sell him right now.

Manchester United are not in a position to sell our only other experienced PL midfielder. Mount and Bruno are still experiments. Mainoo is a kid. Eriksen is almost done. Casemiro is potentially not far behind.

Amrabat needs to be an addition to our current options. It would be madness to sell McTominay (our lowest paid senior player) at the same time we bring a player who's going to need time to settle into the team.
What is Scott actually supposed to do though? He's poor as a DM, and despite this new phase of people thinking he'd be a great option as a roaming box-to-box player attacking the opposition box (because he scored a few goals for Scotland) he's never done anything in a Utd shirt to indicate that bar a one-off match here and a one-off match there. ETH clearly rated him lower than Fred in that particular role (and rightfully so), yet many people here seem to have been ecstatic to sell Fred while thinking Scott should be kept to play that role. Doesn't make sense to me at all.

Scott doesn't have a role to play in a progressive midfield. It's as simple as that.

Being more experienced is pointless if it doesn't actually benefit anything. It would be like keeping Telles instead of bringing in Malacia.
 
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