He's fine as a DM. That's his role.
Scott McTominay | Transfer discussion not performance discussion
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I don't see it. His positioning is so poor in DM. He's more suited to B2B.
I don't agree.
There were times during the McFred era when he was caught out in a one man midfield covering for Fred going on his jollies halfway up the pitch. But even Casemiro can look out of position when he has no help from his teammates (as evidenced by yesterday).
Generally speaking, though, McTominay's positioning is fine. He's a difficult player to get past and even more difficult to dominate physically.
His passing is the most unexpansive in the squad, though, I'll give you that. In that respect, you can't expect him to do the DM job of dictating play from deep. But that's where being in a midfield 3 should hopefully help. If we can figure out the Bruno/Mount dynamic, McTominay should be fine as a backup.
Has anybody actually said he'd be great?
He's not though. He's spent the last 18 months being played as a DM, and he was good for about two months of that. The first month under Rangnick before dropping away and being terrible, then the first month under ETH before dropping away and being poor.
His defensive positioning simply isn't good enough, he gives away too many fouls in dangerous positions, he's too easily wrong-footed, and he's too lazy when tracking back to be 'fine' as a DM.
A 'great option' rather than a 'great player'. Not so much people thinking he should be a starter but rather that they think he's a great option to have in the squad to be able to bring on and make a difference, despite watching him play for the last 5 or so years where he's generally pretty much anonymous on the field.
I don't even think its that. More that he's decent as an option and 8 being his actual position. That and he can play a few different roles. That's the general opinion.
Either way our success this season doesn't revolve around McTominay.
If we need a CM we should have bought one instead of Mount.
We should have bought one in addition to Mount. Our reported transfer budget limits where initially totally inadequate
We were over run in midfield and Scott was still left on the bench until the 86th minute. That just tells the story that he isn't the standard needed nor can he come on and fill in when our midfield needs a body. Had Fred still been here you can almost gurantee that he would have been on before Scott.
Once again, we look a gift horse in the mouth and refuse to take money for a bang average player.
Once again, we look a gift horse in the mouth and refuse to take money for a bang average player.
Sell because need money
feels like with maguire situation being a wash for FFP with the money left still owed vs what we will get for him, not being able to offload mctominay is the worse of the two situations. Would be pure profit we could use to bolster the midfield with a player we actually need.
Yeah we need two midfielders but are lumbered
im counting mainoo as one of the midfielders we will add once he gets back, so hopefully just need the mctominay swap.
So which is he out of backup DM/DLP
McTominay had been injured since the Dortmund game on 31st July. He hadn't played a minute since last month and was only able to get 135 minutes under his belt during all of preseason. Despite not being fit, EtH still trusted him enough to come on and see out the game.
The fact McTominay played in the behind-closed-doors friendly on Tuesday despite also playing in the last few minutes of the Wolves game on Monday just tells the story of how much the manager appreciates him. EtH wants him fit ASAP, but has no qualms about subbing him onto the pitch in an important match even when unfit.
What I really don't understand is people wanting to start him now that it's very unlikely he will move. Yes, Mount was shite (I really don't rate him) and we were outbalanced with him and Bruno in MF against Wolves, but McT is a even bigger disaster and would destroy our system. Maguire and McT must rot the bench for a half season until we ship them out in winter.
I think Utd rejected that initial £30m bid convinced they would come back with better offer. Unfortunately that backfired and instead they moved on to Ward-Prowse leaving us in limbo
We should have just bought a young DM last year and loaned him back to his team, would have cost less than McTominay and we'd have had his replacement in. Smaller club gets their money now and has a year to find their replacement and we get a future at the position. We don't ever seem to do that sort of thing, though.
He's terrible as a DM, he hides from the ball when we're trying to play out, most of his tackles end up in fouls, his positioning is weird, and his best attribute is running with the ball.
The difference between him and the rest of our players is he has played the position before (badly) and he has superior physical attributes.
Basically he's a poor DM, while the rest are not DMs at all.
McT is a versatile squad player at best. And if he is happy to be that then fine. But like Maguire, in my view their best option would be to go to another club where they would probably be in the first team. And for United to use the transfer money to get a better player.
ETH simply wants him fit now he knows he stuck with him. He had no interest until then.
He's not a DM either, at all. He is good to waste a few seconds as a last minute sub, and he can be a set of fresh legs to tire an opponent. Little else at this point for a club of this stature.
Did Martial play in that behind the closed doors game ?
EtH wants all his players fit asap, he would be an idiot if he didn’t.
He does appreciate McT. It’s a squad game and he has his uses. Nevertheless, unless there are injuries, he will get very few minutes and he would be shipped out of here in a flash if the right bid came in.
When asked about McT, Erik started praising Mainoo. When Mainoo comes back, McT will be 6th choice. If we buy new mc then he is 7th choice
If we don't sell him now his market value will drop like a stone.
He’s not fine at DM at all.
He isn’t and it isn’t. Play him as a B2B or don’t play him at all.
But United are hardly batting away offers for McTom. West Ham being the only club that showed any interest...even then it was only after they failed to get Gallagher, and then made an offer for Scott and JWP at the same time...picking up the cheapest option.
You can badmouth the club all day long, but unless other teams bid for United's players they can't do anything about it.
That's before we even talk about the Glazers granting millions in payoff to compensate for wages lost...which is another thing that's never going to happen!
But round and round we go...
You can badmouth the club all day long, but unless other teams bid for United's players they can't do anything about it.
That's before we even talk about the Glazers granting millions in payoff to compensate for wages lost...which is another thing that's never going to happen!
But round and round we go...
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Has played as DM, but appears not to have the awareness that marks out a proper DM from a b2b midfielder.
McTominay, like Fred was, much better in the opponent's half, and making late runs into the box. Scored some excellent goals, but never a DM.
His positioning is not fine at all. Probably the worst aspect of his game.
First of all; selling does not work that you sit around and wait for offers. If you want to sell player then you offer him around (and/or you say his agent to do it).
Also, if you get an offer for unwanted player from only one club (as we did) then you accept that offer that second. What we did is laughable.
Yeah the offers haven't been there bar West Ham
Ant particular names?
Exactly.
Same people who defend Maguire and McTominey as “good squad options” won’t even question themselves when we are 5th at Christmas “hopeful of top 4”
The two things are directly related and I would rather have City, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool and Newcastle bench than ours. It is shite and it will cap whatever we are capable of until it’s not.
These two staying has defined the summer and potentially robbed us of players that would make a real difference. It’s incredibly frustrating.
The two things are directly related and I would rather have City, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool and Newcastle bench than ours. It is shite and it will cap whatever we are capable of until it’s not.
These two staying has defined the summer and potentially robbed us of players that would make a real difference. It’s incredibly frustrating.
Forget about City but who exactly is Liverpool Newcastle,Chelsea and Arsenal equivalent of 5th choice defender or 4th choice midfield?
Genuine question. Feel we are underrating our lot but overrating rival options
He might start today. With the departures of Fred and Sabitzer, there aren't many options to play alongside Casemiro. Playing with two #10s away at Spurs seems somewhat reckless.
Eth knows that we are losing battle in midfield with McT. Remember that last year he rather played Bruno deep with McT on no10.
Yeah may sound harsh but them not leaving has cost us a couple of useful signings at CB/midfield
Back alive with Paqueta not being a safe bet? 
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