Because not all the stats are of the same value, the passing stats are probably the most important in modern football.
Scott McTominay | Transfer discussion not performance discussion
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I hope we actually use him given we’ve missed out on £35m minimum for him. He isn’t a starter, but his energy off the bench will be useful in some games.
It’s a long season and luck with injuries haven’t been lucky for us already this season and it’s only been a month.
Unfortunately we’ll need to rely on him some day.
It’s a long season and luck with injuries haven’t been lucky for us already this season and it’s only been a month.
Unfortunately we’ll need to rely on him some day.
Not really, he played in place of Casemiro as a 6 mainly.
Meh. Wish we'd sold him for the £30m that West Ham offered (or been realistic to try to push them just a little higher instead of £45m), but now that he's staying I hope for two things. Firstly, that the kids (Mainoo and Hannibal) are given opportunities to play ahead of him and prove whether or not they are better, and secondly that when he does get used that he manages to actually play well and do the job.
If Amrabat doesn't work out in the deeper role, and if Mainoo doesn't end up being good enough in that role, then I guess Scott will still be needed. Bloody hope both of those players do end up being demonstrably better though.
If Amrabat doesn't work out in the deeper role, and if Mainoo doesn't end up being good enough in that role, then I guess Scott will still be needed. Bloody hope both of those players do end up being demonstrably better though.
There are still people who think we should have kept De Gea, despite the fact that he can't find a team to sign him on a free.
He is a pointless player for us, gets used far too defensively. His strengths are in a more box to box role. Are we still trying to mould him into the new Carrick?
We should have taken the 30m from West Ham.
We should have taken the 30m from West Ham.
I could see him leaving in January as a healthy Mainoo (and Hannibal) should be able to replace him. Have to imagine we can get a similar price just because it's January and someone like West Ham, Fulham or whoever will be facing an injury crisis or something.
Manchester United fans harp on about everyone and their dog being "ABU". I'd recently that these people read the types of things that United fans call their players.
Just because Scott isn't the incarnation of Roy Keane he's "pointless".
When Amrabat completes his first five yard pass these people will salivate. Then when they notice that he doesn't slice defenses open with passes or ping Hollywood balls every ten minutes he'll be rendered "pointless".
Just because Scott isn't the incarnation of Roy Keane he's "pointless".
When Amrabat completes his first five yard pass these people will salivate. Then when they notice that he doesn't slice defenses open with passes or ping Hollywood balls every ten minutes he'll be rendered "pointless".
Pointless player
Brilliant analysis. Fresh take, too. Seriously independent thought process.
Love how so many fans shut up their brain and just mirror one another. It really is a time saver.
If McTominay is a pointless player then by definition that makes Manchester United a pointless football club. As he's played 200+ matches including 40+ last season.
Sir Alex Ferguson deployed a mentality of "us vs the world". He would be appalled by how disloyal some of our fans are to their club and their players.
Lingard played more often than Scott has so far. Maguire has already played almost as much. Do you defend them as much as you do McTominay?
McTominay isn't a 'pointless' player, but his weaknesses are the exact things that top teams want their midfielders to be doing. The things he's good at are individualistic things which are nice to have on top of the basics, but he doesn't have the basics themselves.
Like I just said in another thread somewhere, most of his games here he's been the best option so I've got no problem with him having been picked ahead of a physically finished Matic or Pogba, or being second choice to Casemiro more recently. He hasn't been anywhere near good enough but he's generally been better than the other options we could have played at the time. But that is a huge failure on the club having failed to upgrade on him, not a sign that he's actually been good enough or will be in the future. Exactly the same way that Lingard was actually the best option in most of the games that he did play, but that was an indication of how bad his competitors were rather than a positive sign on him. I don't think many now are looking back and saying we should have kept him.
Fred has always been comfortably better but we've done the right thing in trying to upgrade him, which we should have done with McTominay as well. At least we did manage to get Amrabat in on loan anyway, but not selling Scott now means we'll probably get £10-15m less next year and then complain that we can't spend enough due to FFP. We have to get better at selling players.
I think both McT and Harry will be off in January. Neither will get much game time. Barring a really horrendous injury run both will maybe come on the odd time to close out games. Once for Mainoo may eat into Scotty’s potential time and if the youngster can step up then we really can look to sell without needing a replacement. The negativity shown to United players at times on here is unreal but I guess this is the keyboard warrior era we live in. United came out the window stronger than we went in so fingers crossed for the season ahead plus hopefully this was the last Glazer owned window.
I think Sir Alex Ferguson would be appalled by how pointless we are as a football club
I actually think you've owned yourself a little here. Given we exist to bolster the glazers nest egg, we are quite pointless.
He'd be an upgrade on mct then
I very much doubt that is the case somehow.
Pointless is a completely subjective word. So what exactly does pointless mean in relation to Manchester United ?
What does this even mean?
The guy turns up to near enough every game, so couldn't really be further from the truth.
Agreed. He'll be worth less next year after a season on the bench.
Yes, we do need to get better at selling.
Unfortunately, our board (and many on here) think that means squeezing more money out of buyers. All that leads to is Bailly, Lingard, Darmian, Romero, Rojo situations.
What we need to do is identify the right time to sell. Maguire and McTominay needed to go this window. They will both be worth less in Jan/next summer.
I understand that you can't force players out and we do want decent transfer fees but we burn a lot more money paying wages to bench warmers. Then they end up leaving for free.
Free academy player on low wages. No real issues with him staying and not playing.
Return of the Mack (Tominay)
McTominSTAY.
Amirite, guys?
Amirite, guys?
He didnt know it was FCB (Bayern) not Barca. Once he figured it out, it was over.
At least we didn't blow 75-85mil on him as we have on other certain individuals.
Scotty will put in a MotM performance against Arsenal albeit in a losing cause, which will render all your hate "pointless".
Nah. There's no expectation on either Ambrabat or McTominay to offer defence splitting passes and long balls. There is an expectation that they regularly show for the ball, help the team build from the back, and are able to play around or through the opposition's press. Amrabat excels in that regard, McTominay doesn't.
Can't wait for him to have 2 good games this season that will buy him 4 centuries of good faith from some.
Should have sold for 30m. Twats.
Glad he stayed, can offer a lot off the bench and in cups
This season can be his last chance. If Amrabat performs better than him then he is gone in the next.
Even with Amrabat in we are not spoilt with good options in midfield. It is probably a good thing he stays.
If Mainoo didn’t get injured then Mctominay probably would have been further down the pecking order. However he can be useful in cup games to give our first teamers a rest.
Happy that he stayes. We can’t give out players for ’free’ when other teams are collecting £100m for average players. If West Ham want to upgrade their team, just pay up.
Yeah, no need to get worked up about it...unless you really really care about the accounts at the club. If you do, then maybe find an extra hobby to take your mind of it.
As for Maguire and McTom, they won't feature very often on the pitch...so there is very little to get annoyed about.
This thread shouldn't be very active.
As for Maguire and McTom, they won't feature very often on the pitch...so there is very little to get annoyed about.
This thread shouldn't be very active.
£30m wasn't free, it was way more than he was worth. We need to be realistic about our valuations.
Our position on Scott was the correct one - he’s staying unless you blow us away with an offer. He can still bring something to a squad already short on midfielders.
We got players like Brennan Johnson going for £55m, Sangare £35m, Palmer £47m, Nunes £62m, Balogun £39m, Mitrovic £52m. Not to mention Lavia for over £60m, Caicedo and Rice for over £100m. Insane money for average players. So, why should we give up our player when everybody else are inflating their player with at least 60-80% of their true value.
Short on midfielders? Case, Amrabat, Mount, Eriksen, Mainoo, McTominay, Bruno. That is 7 midfielders for 3 positions.
Ignore the 10 position, which is what Mount, Eriksen and Bruno essentially are.
We’ve got Casemiro, Amrabat, Mainoo and McTominay. 4 players for 2 positions, 1 of whom is injured for a few months. So basically 3, and if we’d sold Scott last night then 2. Easy to see why we kept him, no?
No, we have 6 for 2 positions because for Erik, Mount and Eriksen are central midfielders. Which means that they will play there before McT.
With Amrabat and Casemiro, hopefully if we do see if it's further up the pitch where he can at least do some damage to the opposition as opposed to our build-up play.
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