We shouldn't have any FFP issues in future. This year's problems were down to massive hole in our finances due to lost revenue during Covid, and the fact that the club apparently thought they could write off a lot more of the losses than UEFA allowed in the end. We're also back in the CL which helps as well.
Scott McTominay | Transfer discussion not performance discussion
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We shouldn't have any FFP issues in future. This year's problems were down to massive hole in our finances due to lost revenue during Covid, and the fact that the club apparently thought they could write off a lot more of the losses than UEFA allowed in the end. We're also back in the CL which helps as well.
Survived enough, but if I was him, i'd seriously start upping my game, while he still have a chance. Not regressing, but stagnation is there, and it's worrying when he's about to hit prime years.
He’s not going to play enough to hit the kind of form to ever be worth any more than he was this summer. That’s a fact. He’ll play sporadically in the cups and as a sub and lose value really fast. We always sell at the wrong time but that is due to several factors. The most pertinent being the players know the only way is down once they get paid off and leave. They’ve nothing to lose by staying and fighting and maybe they’ll jam another big contract renewal like Jones or Pogba nearly did. That’s on the owners for creating and fostering this kind of environment in the first place. If a player isn’t boosting the quality of the squad or has stagnated at a level below which is required you cut your losses and sell while their value is still high.
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Hes horrendous on the ball. That caps your value.
We play with 2 #10s though.
All players that are in form bar Mitrovic, who has already proven his goal scoring ability. McTominay has been out of form for us for a very long time and it’s not going to get any better, his value is only going one way. He doesn’t even have a natural position for us, he’s been awful at CDM. Knowing the budget limitations the club should’ve snatched West Ham’s arm off, it would’ve been the club’s biggest sale since Lukaku 4 years ago, and 5th biggest fee received ever.
In terms of midfielders (6 + 8)
We have Casemiro, Amrabat, A
No they aren't.
EtH plays McTominay as an anchorman (no 6), does that mean Scott is quite no 6?
Both are no 10s.
In terms of midfielders: Casemiro, Amrabat and McTominay.
I haven't seen Mainoo. I don't watch reserve/youth football.
We have Casemiro, Amrabat, A
No they aren't.
EtH plays McTominay as an anchorman (no 6), does that mean Scott is quite no 6?
Both are no 10s.
In terms of midfielders: Casemiro, Amrabat and McTominay.
I haven't seen Mainoo. I don't watch reserve/youth football.
Bloody hell. I can't believe that we even have this discussion. Where did Eriksen played whole last season? Where did Mount played in pre-season and against Spurs and Wolves? They both played as central midfielders. They are seen by the manager as central midfielders. So, they are central midfielders in this squad.
In football manager thoughl.....well, that is another topic.
I guess the answer to "why" is simply that we want to actually sell the player which seems like a good enough "why" to me. Do we want to sell the player, or do we want to keep him around and pay him to not offer very much and be about 5th or 6th choice? So the "why" we should should give up the player seems fairly obvious. It's because it may be better than the alternative and we do in fact want to sell a redundant player.
That's what the club has to weigh up when they're making this calculation about whether we're getting shafted in the market and whether that concept is really worth refusing 30 million for just to grandstand and make a point. Ultimately you can only sell a player for a valuation depending on real, tangible interest. If you're not likely to see his value increase further during this season then it's back to square one, what is the prospect of attracting a better bid than the one we just received? I don't know the answer to that but if he is unlikely to substantially improve on last season, which will be difficult if the manager does not rate him, then the chances are not very good. He scored a few for Scotland and got some mild attention for that last season. So add on another years worth of wages after that AND the possibility he'll eventually leave for absolutely nothing into the calculation on top.
It was possibly a blunder. At the time I thought it was a good idea to play hardball and extract more value but ultimately it was not, it was misjudged because we haven't come out of it with a desirable result and ultimately that is the point of a negotiation. An output beneficial to Manchester United and I don't see that a vague notion of "well we aren't giving our players" away is better than a cold, hard 30 million in cash in this instance.
Of course he is not. He might not be a Xavi or Iniesta but come on.
Form? Palmer have hardly played any football in ManCity. Some of the guys have just started to show some kind of football player ability.
It is not that I don't want to sell him. Or keep him. That is irrelevant here. For me it is about how we always pretty much give our players away when other teams can get 5 times more for a equal kind of player. That is what is bothering me. Have McTominay played for West Ham or Everton, they would be getting lot of money for him. So if West Ham or whoever don't step up with money we should refuse. Even if it is £30m.
You are right that there must be calculation about minutes he is going to play, money being offered and all those things but we should not give our players away. Sometimes we need to hold our ground and say No.
Think about it. Real Barca City and Bayern regularly sell world class players or players who look like they might become world class as soon as they don’t fit in anymore. We are on here arguing about Scot Mc T for months like he’s something to even argue about. He should be sold if we want to ever catch up with the aforementioned clubs Nearly every player in the post you’re replying to is either way better than him or has way more potential. It’s crazy to even be chatting about it like it’s a thing. McT is worth what other clubs are willing to pay and we overplayed our hand like we always seem to do whether in sales or contract renewals.
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Ok now you have to be trolling. If not, well your football knowledge explains why you defend Scott so much.
I will be booing him and Maguire. Both greedy and holding the club back in making signings
Arguably the worst thing to happen this transfer window for United was McTominay staying, when there was a more than fair transfer bid for him.
Should have snapped West Ham’s proverbial hand off for £30m that was a great deal for such a mediocre midfielder. Looks like he will be 7th choice now we have Amrabat and once Mainoo is fit again.
The problem with that is Leeds aren’t in the Premiership anymore.
How is not awful on the ball? He hides from it to begin with then when he does get it he hardlt even attempt passes between the lines. It's all simple straight forward and he can't even master that.
Depends if we keep getting played through easily. I think Casemiro and Amrabat will be the starters from now on.
As 8s, and we got walked through. I’d be amazed if we keep this up.
West Ham offered us good money. The 100m players you speak of are purchased by big clubs. There are no mid table clubs spending that kind of money on the likes of McTominay. This why we end up actually losing players for 'free'
Palmer, Nunes, Lavia, Caicedo, and Rice were all purchased by big clubs. Big clubs operate in a different market in terms of spending. No big clubs are after McTominay.
Johnson, Balogun and Mitrovic are all strikers: attacking players cost more.
Sangare is a comparable fee.
I think Bayern will come back in for Palinha in January and Fulham will comeback in for McTominay.
If the Glazers are staying Scott you need to go and get better money elsewhere as we will be skint
I don't think the Glazers will be staying.
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What I wrote was 100% accurate (I meant to write "McTominay" after I wrote Amrabat but was distracted)
You know, just because you don't agree with my opinions and sentiments doesn't mean that you have any right to belittle my opinion, insult me or call my character into question.
If that's how you want to play it, let your previous reply to me be the final one and stop wasting my time.
Namaste.
Did you even read my post?
I don't care where Eriksen played last season or where Mount played in pre-season.
If Rashford was played at left back, would that mean he's a left back?
McTominay is a no 8 and he's been playing as a no 6 for the entirety of his United career.
Gerrard played McGinn as a no 6. He's a no 10.
Mason Mount is a midfielder for us? So, you think having 57 touches and 32 successfully passes n 153 minutes is acceptable?
McTominay is greedy? In general terms, he earns a pittance. He's one of the lowest earners at United.
McTominay makes £60k per week.
Jadon Sancho earns £350k per week.
If you look at the midfield options, Mount, Amrabat and Mainoo all have strong defensive workrate. But they're all a similar type that's good at chasing opponent runners and putting in a tackle from the side (a bit like Fred used to do).
McTominay and Casemiro are the only midfielders we have that provide a physical obstacle that can dissuade those opponent runners face-on from running through in the first place.
Obviously Scott/Case can't do it one their own. It's impossible for a DM to prevent a one-two without support from at least one other teammate. But the point remains that they're the only two in the squad that fill that particular niche. We need them both, especially when the older one is looking increasingly leggy these days.
I think, if anything, next summer McTominay will stay on the bench while Casemiro will be the one who's sold so he can be replaced as first choice.
McTominay and Casemiro are the only midfielders we have that provide a physical obstacle that can dissuade those opponent runners face-on from running through in the first place.
Obviously Scott/Case can't do it one their own. It's impossible for a DM to prevent a one-two without support from at least one other teammate. But the point remains that they're the only two in the squad that fill that particular niche. We need them both, especially when the older one is looking increasingly leggy these days.
I think, if anything, next summer McTominay will stay on the bench while Casemiro will be the one who's sold so he can be replaced as first choice.
Part of the reason I'm thinking you are trolling is that you just completely ignore posts which significantly hurt your argument. In which case either you are trolling or you are arguing in bad faith.
Eriksen has played at #8 for a few years now. It's his position now, both in general and for ETH in particular. Which considering you are specifically talking about how many numbers we have for each position, is obviously the most important aspect. Indeed Scott is more likely to be played as an outright #10 before Eriksen.
McTominay has played the majority of his Utd career as an #8. It's only been since Rangnick came in that he was moved further back into a #6 role.
As for Mount's passing stats, if they continue then you will have a point. At the moment we have a very small sample size for him in a brand new team and playing in a somewhat new position, so obviously he should be given some time. Despite that he is already being massively criticised everywhere. Meanwhile Scott has had years of performances where he barely gets involved, including numerous games where he's had similar stats to the ones you are constantly posting for Mount. At the moment ETH obviously sees him as a midfielder so he is a number for that position, although there is a possibility that might change in the future if things continue to not work.
The irony of it all is that our resident Sporting fan already called it back when Rangnick joined, that Palinha would be a good McT replacement.
This is plea to teams in Saudi, Portugal or Turkey to sign this guy. We desperately need some money for our next window.
Was he injured today or has the manager fell out with him too?
He was ill.
Makes me wonder.....
It's shouldn't. He was ill.
Or, you know, we could just stop wasting tens of millions on mediocre players every window?
Let's be realistic now...
McTominay's fine as a backup DM.
The bigger issue would be our first choice DM. Casemiro isn't living up to billing as a starter and he's the one who'd fetch a lot more money from the Saudi league. He also wouldn't want to sit on the bench if we bought a straight replacement.
The better move is to sell Case and buy a top class DM. Replacing McTominay wouldn't have strengthened us in any of the games this season and Casemiro is on too much money (£300k per week) to play second fiddle if we did.
He is not fine as backup DM he's absolutely garbage,so if Casemiro goes to Saudi then who should we sign to replace him next summer or did you mean selling him in January
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He isn't. A McTominay+Eriksen midfield beat Arsenal at Old Trafford last season.
McTominay isn't good enough to start. But for all his weaknesses, he has enough strengths for his teammates know what they need to be doing to accommodate him, while simultaneously he can take the burden off them in other ways. For example, his passing is poor, but at least he sits back more often to take some positional responsibility off his midfield partner. Obviously, it's overall a downgrade, but only a big one if you focus solely on his passing.
No idea who we should buy. Rice was the one, but no amount of sales would have have made him affordable to us this summer. Hopefully, someone emerges this season.
Would have been affordable if we had pushed M&M to seek moves and not wasted £60m on Mount too but nope didn't happen
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