Time to move him on, he is a good lad, but not up to the level a Manchester United player should be.
Scott McTominay (Out) - Newcastle, West Ham, Everton, Southampton, Leicester interested
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I could actually see him developing into a goal scoring no8 in the same general category as Lampard. If that is his future he really hasn’t been used right here.
I used to see him as a player with so much potential but he’s had plenty of games now and I don’t think he is quite United quality. Possibly he can find a niche somewhere and have a decent career going forward.
And if there's no club willing to buy them, we should keep them in the squad, not playing, their value eroding even more, right?
Don't think he's even good enough for a squad player, honestly. Just not good enough.
I would disagree with that. McTominay has regularly been used as the #6 under Jose, Ole and Rangnick, and more practically it has often been the case that both he and Fred are deployed alongside each other without any obvious difference in their positioning. Neither of them are suited to a holding role, and I imagine that whichever of them lines up alongside Casemiro will instantly look a lot better for it - as will we as a team.
Neither does DvdB, I’d argue he actually offers less, so why aren’t we getting rid of him instead. McT usually puts in at least 2 decent performances a season, which is two more than Donny.
this ain't about Donny. I forgot he even plays for us. He never belonged
30m would be good price for him. He would fit into most mid-table clubs nicely, well he is relatively in lower wage too, so it wouldn’t be a problem selling him.
If someone is offering £25 million or more for him it is very tempting. He seems like a nice man with a good attitude but he's not good on the ball, hides behind his marker instead of being available for passes, doesn't keep his position in defence and doesn't track back with any urgency.
Perhaps he'd be better higher up the pitch, but he'll never beat out Bruno or Eriksen there.
Perhaps he'd be better higher up the pitch, but he'll never beat out Bruno or Eriksen there.
Not a bad idea to sell him, but surely we have another cm on the way in then?
Casemiro, Fred and Eriksen for midfield is paper thin as it is. Am i forgetting someone in our squad?
Casemiro, Fred and Eriksen for midfield is paper thin as it is. Am i forgetting someone in our squad?
Because the thread is about McT and there is some interest in him where we can get some decent return. Since McT doesn't bring much to the table why keep him? Due to this mentality Jones still plays for the club.
Carrick and Fletcher were always more talented. They were just being compared to Scholes and Keane. The basic foundational skill is technique and Scott doesn't have that compared to those two whom you just compared him to. Because of that, his ceiling as a player will always be rather low. Also, positioning and reading of the game is usually what improves, but do you think that's all that a United midfielder should have? He will never develop the kind of passing ability Carrick showed at his peak.
I agree that the comments about McT are harsh - for a squad player, he's worth his salt. And that's what he should be. If he wants to be the big fish, yeah, move to another club. But if he wants to be a squad player like Fletcher was for most of his career, and potentially develop further like Fletcher did into a first team player down the line, then absolutely we should keep him. As squad players go he's the kind that will always fight for the team and put in the hard yards, without having the ego that causes friction in the dressing room. Strikes me as a good influence on other team members.
A good club isn't made 100% of superstars, it needs a core group of backup players behind them and McT isn't someone I'd sell unless we have someone who is willing to fill in for him, and as much as I really want to see Iqbal in the first team sooner rather than later, I don't know that Iqbal would be able to do a job at a senior level before he bulks up a bit, so if we have an injury and he's our backup it would be a concern.
A good club isn't made 100% of superstars, it needs a core group of backup players behind them and McT isn't someone I'd sell unless we have someone who is willing to fill in for him, and as much as I really want to see Iqbal in the first team sooner rather than later, I don't know that Iqbal would be able to do a job at a senior level before he bulks up a bit, so if we have an injury and he's our backup it would be a concern.
I agree some of them are harsh, but that’s all I will agree with. He is 25, at what point do you want to stop looking at him as a young man from the academy with plenty of years ahead of him to develop and see him for the player he is.
Sure some players flourish later in their careers but he has shown absolutely nothing to suggest he will develop further than a mid table premier league player (at best) and for your club that’s simply not good enough. You cannot be carrying even a single player if you want to start winning trophies again.
Real Madrid just sold one of the worlds best midfielders, and we have people saying we should keep McTominay. Think about it
McTominay, sadly, will never be good enough for Man Utd. We have enough evidence to come to that conclusion. If the club is having to sell to buy then I'd rather see McTominay sold than Garner. The players who've been given their shot and come up short should be the first out, the youngsters should be given a go as squad players in their place. There's no point in keeping players like McTominay when we've got prospects behind them. They're just blockers. With Casemiro in the squad, we can afford to have Garner as a backup, with Savage as an option in the worst case scenario. Its not personal. Its about being realistic about what McTominay's ceiling is and giving Garner, and others, a chance to show what their ceilings could be.
He’s the most overhated United player here. He’s far from being one of our worst performers during last few seasons.
His technique and positional sense aren’t perfect, but unlike the likes of Dalot and AWB for example, he’s actually a decent footballer with a good attitude. Selling only makes sense if we get a great fee and/or have a replacement lined up.
His numbers aren’t huge but he’s still something of a goal threat and he wins a lot of fouls with his physique. It’s not like he’s completely useless, he just isn’t the most progressive midfielder out there.
His technique and positional sense aren’t perfect, but unlike the likes of Dalot and AWB for example, he’s actually a decent footballer with a good attitude. Selling only makes sense if we get a great fee and/or have a replacement lined up.
His numbers aren’t huge but he’s still something of a goal threat and he wins a lot of fouls with his physique. It’s not like he’s completely useless, he just isn’t the most progressive midfielder out there.
Id say you improve your squad by trimming its weakest members, and adding players above what you currently have. Otherwise Casemiro gets injured and your back up is Donny. You’re an injury away from your midfield being worse than when you started.
MacTominay may not be happy to be a back up(unless he is only interested in the money). we all agree he is not good enough so we should start looking at other players we have who could be the back up e.g. Garner, Savage, Iqbal.
Mac would also command a bigger fee that Garner as he has PL experience
I would like to see McT become successful at another PL club. I think he deserves that and he is not to blame for Uniteds downfall. I think he actually gave what he had whenever he played, he just do not possess the qualities which we should require from someone who is part of the starting 11.
Just like Maguire, the relationship isn't working, and it'd be much better for him to leave at this point. We're basically doing our best to replace him, and he'll always be associated with the failed era for the club. If he leaves he could get regular football somewhere else, and maybe even flourish, but as it is, he's doomed here.
Sell if possible, or just give him for free like we do for all players. Gooooo! He will suck wherever he goes.
Agreed. Can't believe there are people who rate McT over Fred.
I don't think they're terribly far from each other in level, but I do think Fred is the better of the two, yeah. Still, I don't think we should be selling either of them - yet.
Think we should keep him
Really only have limited options in central mid and with the world cup and Thursday games to cope with we need options
Really only have limited options in central mid and with the world cup and Thursday games to cope with we need options
Sell sell sell!!!
Just buy someone new, there’s nothing he has we can’t get elsewhere, bundled with other superior qualities.
Just buy someone new, there’s nothing he has we can’t get elsewhere, bundled with other superior qualities.
Fans wanting to keep players like McT around are part of the reason we struggle so much and then everyone thinks it’s a mystery as to why we’re shite. They simply don’t have the required quality to be United level players - not where we want to aim to be anyway.
Good luck to McT but if we get a good fee, he should move on. He’s not United quality. Seems our youth products get that extra little protection from fans. Good fee and promote a youngster or sign another mid with the cash.
So what if AWB and Dalot are shite? No one’s advocating to keep them. It’s a whataboutism.
Good luck to McT but if we get a good fee, he should move on. He’s not United quality. Seems our youth products get that extra little protection from fans. Good fee and promote a youngster or sign another mid with the cash.
So what if AWB and Dalot are shite? No one’s advocating to keep them. It’s a whataboutism.
I’ve piled onto McTominay in the past and I stand by my criticism, but it might be a good thing for all of us to back off now and let him go in peace.
I think its down to the price. If we get 30m+ then we should sell. There are many players available who are far better then McT like Laimer, Soler and Tielemans. If the fee is pathetic then we should keep. We don't have the numbers and the likes of Garner and Zidane Iqbal should be sent on loan.
Shouldn't sell him for anything less than 40m.
We need the depth in the team. ETH has said as much.
We need the depth in the team. ETH has said as much.
The majority of fans in these forums were also clamouring for O'Shea, Fletcher, Brown etc. to be thrown out. I think it's important to have squad players as well as superstars. I feel that McT fits that role nicely.
Scott McTominay : 25 Years old. Still young and learning.
Casemiro: 30 years old. Over the hill. Likely needs both hips replacing. Soon will be dead.
Casemiro: 30 years old. Over the hill. Likely needs both hips replacing. Soon will be dead.
Agreed.
McTominay will never be anything beyond a decent squad player at United - or at the United we should aspire to be.
So, there's no point keeping him in the hope that he'll turn into something that's just beyond his potential.
But then again, there's no point in selling him for a pittance either, just to get rid of him. As others have said, the idea that we can just replace him with a random youth player is ridiculous.
TiL I’m responsible for United being shite.
If we are going to apportion blame on fans, I’m going to throw it out there that the toxic elements of our support who take to social media to troll and racially abuse our players at every opportunity are probably contributing to our shitness more than the ones who support the players.
When no one wants the weakest members you can't ship them. If there is an opportunity to ship off a useless player(if you intend to improve the squad) you take it.
In case of Casemiro gets injured I'd rather play youth(Garner, Zidane), or emergency loan someone rather than keep players like McT, Jones, AWB, Bailly, etc.
Oh we're definitely keeping him. We only have 3 central midfielders as it stands. Unless you count Eriksen.
We need 4 at the minimum for the rotation and crazy schedule thanks to the WC this year.
Completely agree with Buzz on this one, this sounds like a bad strategy.
He’s the worst regular starting midfielder in my lifetime of watching us. Can break fast up the pitch and has a good shot on him but he has none of the playmaker or even destroying capabilities of a proper midfielder. His lack of a short game really puts us under needless pressure
This thread bombs shit out of the certain portion of the fanbase. Selling McT?! Stupid isn’t enough to describe them.