Scott McTominay (Out) - Newcastle, West Ham, Everton, Southampton, Leicester interested

georgipep said:
And if no club wants to buy but all just want to loan him? Then what?
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I don't believe that no club wants to buy McTominay at any price. There's a point where if we offered him for, say, £5m, we'd get 20 bids...extreme example but my point is, there's a price a club like Newcastle or Everton would pay.

I'm just absolutely sick of the loans, we need to move players on not exist in this constant state of dithering limbo
 
OrcaFat said:
RB? What an intriguing idea. Would be fun to see him tried there. Probably he’d be shit as he’s no good at showing for the ball and flaky under pressure. The full backs are out-ball options for CBs and keeper and I could see McT being pressed off the ball for fun.
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A Premier League level CM would be amazing on the ball at RB - not to say it's a good idea but just pointing out the difference
 
This feels so much like FM when you offload that one player of McTominay quality - "A useful squad player" and then all the clubs mentioned in the title are interested.
 
fps said:
The comments on McTominay are so harsh. For a CM he’s still actually not that old, he’s still learning - look how long it took Carrick and Fletcher to hit their strides. Additionally, he’s clearly best playing box to box and he’s been learning in a dysfunctional side. I’d personally keep him unless his personality isn’t right for the coach.
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They are harsh but he just isn't the person to be starting for us. In a top squad as a sub? Maybe
 
Loony BoB said:
The majority of fans in these forums were also clamouring for O'Shea, Fletcher, Brown etc. to be thrown out. I think it's important to have squad players as well as superstars. I feel that McT fits that role nicely.
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There's definitely an element of needing a good squad - which can't all be world class players. That I agree with. Problem is our current squad has too many squad players, at best, and lack any real class players. The center of midfield probably being the biggest area lacking any real quality until we signed Casemiro. Like I said, if we received a good offer for McT and we could replace him, I'd try and sell him. That counts for a few others in the squad as well.

BuzzKillington said:
TiL I’m responsible for United being shite.

If we are going to apportion blame on fans, I’m going to throw it out there that the toxic elements of our support who take to social media to troll and racially abuse our players at every opportunity are probably contributing to our shitness more than the ones who support the players.
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Yep, nothing to disagree with there. People, especially on social media are just, are just horrible/cruel at times.
 
Red Royal said:
Think we keep him this year as a backup/Europa League player. Can't risk running first XI to the ground.
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McTominay's presence is a nuisance to the development of our crop of younger midfielders - Garner (if we choose to keep him), Savage and Iqbal. The Europa League will provide its share of opportunities to provide valuable experience for kids.

McFraud out.

edit: He's not even capable of shining the shoes for O'Shea, Fletcher or Brown. That is a fact.
 
hobbers said:
Rashford is finished, here at any rate.

AWB probably wont kick a ball for us again unless Dalot gets injured.

And McTominay is the absolute last player to pair with Casemiro. Casemiro needs a passer next to him not a much much worse version of himself.
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Most of that is probably true. Most of what I wrote is probably true as well.
 
RedDevilQuebecois said:
McTominay's presence is a nuisance to the development of our crop of younger midfielders - Garner (if we choose to keep him), Savage and Iqbal. The Europa League will provide its share of opportunities to provide valuable experience for kids
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And Garner will stop the development of whover is next down the line, because he's probably shite too.
 
Loony BoB said:
That would explain apparently five clubs being after him.
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That doesn't prove his quality. Look at Gibson and Mcnair. If you have experience under United, you'll likely end up at a PL level club before truly falling down to your true level.
 
No more fecking loans! Sell the players we don't need and and use the money to buy the ones we do need
 
NewGlory said:
No more fecking loans! Sell the players we don't need and and use the money to buy the ones we do need
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Except we can't get clubs to buy them outrightly if they aren't even playing well - or playing at all - with us. We've seen how effective players getting a good loan can be for their valuation to prospective buyers, Chelsea were willing to splurge £30 million on Henderson after his season with Sheffield, and Fulham have just paid decently for Pereira after a good loan in Brazil.

McTominay might not be good enough for us, but will be serviceable to quite a few clubs in the league. One season on loan could do wonders for his valuation, which I reckon is probably rock bottom right now.
 
In Rainbows said:
That doesn't prove his quality. Look at Gibson and Mcnair. If you have experience under United, you'll likely end up at a PL level club before truly falling down to your true level.
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On the flipside, we tend to produce an absolute buttload of players for the rest of the Premier League all the time. Those who play for us regularly before they leave - unlike Gibson and McNair - generally end up in other PL teams. I'd say Garner is closer to Gibson/McNair than McTominay is, personally. McT is a bit more like... Anderson, I suppose? Has a few good games for us but generally just isn't good enough for a regular starter spot. Doesn't truly excel in either attack or defence, but doesn't completely fall apart either. Just a consistent "squad player" level for me. Which is why I've always seen him as exactly that from the very start. People are just angry at him and think he sucks because they're looking at him starting every week, and I get that. But if you think we'll have someone like Rabiot playing a happy content bench warmer then you've got another thing coming. McT is someone who can do that job, I don't think we'll find a better player for it easily or anytime soon. I don't think Garner is ready.
 
BarryWinks said:
Except we can't get clubs to buy them outrightly if they aren't even playing well - or playing at all - with us. We've seen how effective players getting a good loan can be for their valuation to prospective buyers, Chelsea were willing to splurge £30 million on Henderson after his season with Sheffield, and Fulham have just paid decently for Pereira after a good loan in Brazil.

McTominay might not be good enough for us, but will be serviceable to quite a few clubs in the league. One season on loan could do wonders for his valuation, which I reckon is probably rock bottom right now.
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McT is playing. He isn't good enough for us, but we would sell him to the likes of Everton etc, not anybody like us. This dysfunctional idiots didn't sell Lingard for 25M and then let him go for free. And don't even get me started on Pogba

But good example on Henderson - why didn't we sell that petulant, average-talent, egocentric? He will never be good enough for us.
 
McTominay is still fine as a good squad option. I think ETH should try him as a wingback or fullback since he has the attributes for that position. In midfield, he can still be an option against opponents that use less numbers in midfield.
 
Loony BoB said:
I'd say Garner is closer to Gibson/McNair than McTominay is, personally.
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Based on the fact that McTominay has gotten way more of a leash than Garner, who was far more talented as a youth product and was successful on loan. Meanwhile McTominay was given the luckiest break as a youth player, and was allowed to gain experience at PL level for no reason. Give Garner his chances and you wouldn't be saying what you said.

But that's life. Luck is part of what makes a career.
 
Loony BoB said:
The majority of fans in these forums were also clamouring for O'Shea, Fletcher, Brown etc. to be thrown out. I think it's important to have squad players as well as superstars. I feel that McT fits that role nicely.
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Mctominay is not on the level of any of those players you mentioned. Those players actually offered qualities that were of benefit to the team. Mctominay offers absolutely nothing beneficial to the team except being a warm body. I can't name one thing beneficial to the team that he does at a Premier League level. The other guys were meaningful contributors to title-winning teams. If that is the only thing he offers, there are other warm bodies that can be brought through the ranks too or signed that may even offer something useful.

Also, it is only normal for fans to ask to improve on a squad no matter how good the squad is. That's how teams stay relevant and keep winning. And in our case, our squad is amongst the worst around and absolutely needs to be improved drastically if we ever want to win anything again.
 
OpenIntrovert said:
McTominay is still fine as a good squad option. I think ETH should try him as a wingback or fullback since he has the attributes for that position. In midfield, he can still be an option against opponents that use less numbers in midfield.
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I am curious what exactly makes you think that McT has attributes for a top level wingback or fullback?
 
we should only sell him if we are getting another midfielder in. He may still have some usefulness as a squad option off the bench and playing further up bombing into the oppo box more. We also lack physical presence, and he at least brings that
 
Not good enough, just cash in (permanent move). No point keeping midfielder who is not good enough and can't pass the ball just for extra body. I would rather have slim squad if it means we can cash in the deadwoods. We might need some of the cash to buy new right back or new keeper.
 
OpenIntrovert said:
McTominay is still fine as a good squad option. I think ETH should try him as a wingback or fullback since he has the attributes for that position. In midfield, he can still be an option against opponents that use less numbers in midfield.
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The only position McT might be useful at is as CB. Even then I am not sure that he'll be Manchester United quality.
 
NewGlory said:
I am curious what exactly makes you think that McT has attributes for a top level wingback or fullback?
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He can track back to tackle, has good stamina, can dribble with the ball and has good pace for his height. His shooting is not that bad as well. He can cut in and play simple low passes or to shoot.

McTominay's biggest problem is that he is not very good at reading the game and his hold up play is below average. That's why he cannot play as a CM or as a DM unless he is playing against a midfield which leaves a lot of spaces. As a wingback or fullback, he is fine.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
Fullbacks are apparently not required to pass the ball
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He can pass the ball. Not sure why most of you have this thinking that passing must be Xavi level.

A wingback and fullback does not need to have superior passing capabilities (e.g. through ball to the striker, a long pass to the next wing). They just need to work well on their short passes to the main forwards which McTominay is capable of. As for crosses, it is not McTominay's strength but he can be played as a wingback who can cut in to shoot or play a direct low pass.
 
OpenIntrovert said:
He can pass the ball. Not sure why most of you have this thinking that passing must be Xavi level.

A wingback and fullback does not need to have superior passing capabilities (e.g. through ball to the striker, a long pass to the next wing). They just need to work well on their short passes to the main forwards which McTominay is capable of. As for crosses, it is not McTominay's strength but he can be played as a wingback who can cut in to shoot or play a direct low pass.
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Mctominay is 25 and a pathetic passer of the ball. Keep finding ways to play him.
 
Regarding McTominay and other players like Fred, most of the "judgmental" posters don't seem to realize that some players can look good in one position and horrible in another position. Just because you observe McTominay and Fred to be quite bad at where they are now, does not mean they cannot be good in other positions. It is not McTominay and Fred's fault that they happen to be the only 2 players who have defensive workrate, regardless of whether they are naturally good at it.

With Casemiro in and hopefully another CM, McTominay and Fred might be able to play in positions which bring the best out of them.
 
Scott needs to leave for wasting our time and never improve in any category whatsoever. Imagine if we gave one of our brightest academy players the same room and leniency that he got we would see wonders. I've been watching him regularly since Mourinho introduced him into the squad and couldn't see anything worthy to be excited about. He's basically the John O'shea of our own era. At least O'shea knew his place in the team and was humble about it. Unlike our dear own Scott who we can surly smell the apparent arrogance that he induce every time he steps into the pitch which made him even more unbearable.
 
Always sad to see a guy who worked his way up through the club leave. still think with better people around him, he'd be a better player (like But and Fletcher) but it does start to look as if his time is up...
 
Waywestofthere said:
Our only ever Manager's Player of the Year. That has to be worth a bit extra on the transfer fee?
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:lol: It’s actually funny when you think him being 6’4 and giving a fake award to spite some of the many players Mourinho had beef with in the squad basically gave McTominay this full career. Just one of the many things that wanker did wrong to this club
 
If Mctominay isn’t good enough in midfield then he isn’t good enough. He’s not going to make it in any other position in the Premier League. If you move him into other positions it only emphasises his weaknesses and stops him doing few things he is any good at.

His value will be at its peak now, it’s time to cash in and reinvest the money if anyone is actually interested at a decent price.
 
Scotty are not geat at either positional awareness or passing. However if he can master the dark arts of fouling people to disrupt the play ala Atletico Madrid, he can be useful. That role should fit him better than asking him to be Scholes/Carrick type of player. Thats too much.
 
Would be great if we somehow managed to offload Maguire to Chelsea and used Mctominay in a deal with Leicester to land Fofana... One can dream:rolleyes:
 
Is there any actual reports of him possibly leaving or is this all just in hope?
 
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