Can only thing he's been watching that one game v Leeds on repeat.
Scott McTominay (Out) - Newcastle, West Ham, Everton, Southampton, Leicester interested
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I doubt Moyes/West Ham have 30 million left to spend to be honest, with Emerson looking highly likely that puts us at 90 million NET which given we have an income of 200 mil is quite a considerable outlay this summer.
I do think he might be a good partner for Rice, however both Scott and Soucek are going through very poor form and probably low confidence, and its no certainty Scott even gets into the side ahead of Rice and Soucek if the latter was to regain form.
He would give us some depth to the midfield and he may suit Moyes more, BUT I'd not want him for a pound over 20 million for reasons I mentioned before.
I can see him going to Leicester, they will use the Fofana money I suspect and may well go to 30 million.
Two games we have played this season. Both games Fred has been hooked at HT. Both games we have looked better in the second half once he was off the pitch.
Against Brentford, Fred was a part of why we shipped 4 goals. McTominay came on and for the first ~25 mins was our best player, but he then started to get sloppy.
With Fred, you are guaranteeing that he gifts the ball to the opposition 3-4 times per game in dangerous positions, often leading to goals or chances conceded. Yes, he is a far more limited player than McTominay.
McT is not really a hill to day on mate. He should be sold and If someone offer 20m bite their hand off and run. Fred on the other hand, we'd be lucky if anyone offers 15m as it stands nobody wants him, even with a year on his contract only. Both should leave.
I was starting to think I am in the wrong thread.
McTom was the best player?! You're joking, he couldn't pass water.
The reason we looked better was because Brentford eased off from their ferocious start and ew took our miniscule centre back off.
Any impact from McTom - in, let's not forget, holding Brentford to a goalless second half, shouldn't be overstated.
West Ham were willing to pay up to €40m (just under £30m upfront) for Onana so are likely to still be in the market for a central midfielder and willing to pay £25m for someone.
This isn't for a Rice replacement, it's for Soucek.
This isn't for a Rice replacement, it's for Soucek.
Fred’s worst attributes (his sloppiness, as you highlight) are heightened when we play him deeper. When he’s played to press higher up the pitch then he generally does a good job. McTominay doesn’t do a good job anywhere sadly.
But..but..but..Redcafe tells me that he wouldn't get into promotion chasing championship teams!!
What are these solid mid to Europe chasing PL teams thinking? Don't they know he can't get into the Scotland midfield?
What are these solid mid to Europe chasing PL teams thinking? Don't they know he can't get into the Scotland midfield?
I, for one, am shocked that people take extreme positions on the internet, make hyperbolic statements, and lack nuance.
Who knew
This is usually how the step down from United first team works. Cleverley and Gibson were both bought by Everton for instance. McT moving to another PL team proves nothing until he actually delivers there.
We need Scott as a squad player
He is a decent squad player and we don’t have enough midfielders
I would rather we sell Donny than Scot
He is a decent squad player and we don’t have enough midfielders
I would rather we sell Donny than Scot
Sell and use one of our prospects as replacement, give iqbal and Hannibal a chance.
What it proves is that the hyperbolic castigation of certain disliked players moves well beyond rational discourse into a circle-jerk of scapegoating. See also Maguire, memed to absurd levels on social media to the point you would think if you have never seen him play beyond these clips that he was barely a professional level player, but Chelsea are interested.
Not a fan of either player, but they are not shit.
I would be shocked if you managed to get anything near 25m for him.
Agreed. Donny is a total deadweight.
Ah yes, the infallible logic of "when he does something wrong, hes shit. when he does something right or the team plays better with him, its pure luck"
Funnily enough I would say largely the same thing about McTominay. His worst attributes (defensive awareness/positioning) are heightened when we play him deeper. When he is able to play his more natural attacking box-to-box role he looks a lot better. Fred doesnt do a good job anywhere sadly.
Either way, we definitely need to get rid of one of them and our team will look better as a result. Personally I would prefer we ditched Fred for the reasons I have mentioned - he brings nothing to the team except being a headless chicken charging around the middle of the pitch and presenting opponents with an easy target to press. McTominay can be a goal threat, he can carry the ball, he is strong in the air and physically. McTominay is much younger, on much lower wages, counts towards our homegrown quota and is more flexible positionally than Fred too.
Get rid and give Garner his minutes.
No. Jose has a bigger hard-on for Scottie.
ot top 4 or even top 6 quality , but he will do well at another club, any other club.
Ironically most of them are much better teams than we are currently.
I think he’ll work well with Rice at West Ham. Not having the Old Trafford pressure will help him. He’ll score a lot of belters for West Ham. Let’s hope he goes.
We'd probably get more for Garner to be honest
Keep Garner and if Leicester are interested in McTominay then try and get a deal done with Tielemans coming the other way.
No.
Fred is a far better player. He also plays in Brazil's midfield. McT can't even make it in Scotland's
I think he is his cousin
He's worth keeping as a squad player. Decent goal threat and his height is an advantage coming off the bench
Why are we always linked with sending players on loan? No more loans! If ANY player above the age of 20 is deemed so surplus to requirements that they can disappear for a year to another team then get them sold!
I'd like to us to sell Scott and sign this Mctominay.
I doubt that but that's besides my point. I feel Garner has the potential to be a good player for us, I think Scott's proven that he doesn't.
Wages. Wages. Wages.
Too many of our players are on too much money to warrant a transfer fee and a club matching their wages.
He'll probably look good playing in a team that uses him as an 8.
McTominay's wage isn't that high. Clubs like West Ham and Newcastle can easily afford to match what he earns here
But he doesn't utilize it enough.
I've said before that I expect he'll got to a midtable team first, but then there's an above 50% chance that within two or three years he'll have to drop further to a relegation fighting team. Other's have said the same.
There definitely have been other people saying he'd have to drop straight to a relegation fighter or even a promotion chasing championship team, but that (especially the latter) was always fairly unlikely.
Normally the case, but here McTominay is a player whose salary is able to met by the type of clubs interested in him.
Depends surely on how much they rate him.
Fred has spent almost his entire time with us playing the deeper role, trying to be both the more defensively sound one and expected to be the closest thing we've got to a deep-lying playmaker. Neither of which suit him at all and only highlight his weaknesses. The only time he got a run of games in a more advanced role he was one of our better players. Whereas McTominay has spent most of his time playing next to Fred, with he himself being the one with a bit more freedom. Obviously it wasn't an outright attacking midfielder, but he was able to get forward and around the opposition box. Rangnick came in and switched their roles and instantly Fred looked far better than McTominay ever has. Interestingly Scott actually did look good for the first few weeks in that deeper role as well, but he quickly dropped off and was poor for the rest of the season.
In the deeper role - Fred is better.
In the box-to-box role with more freedom - Fred is better.
The only one that McTominay might (and it's a very big emphasis on might) be better at is playing as an outright attacking midfielder or #10, but obviously neither are good enough to actually play that role for us. Bruno, Eriksen and Sancho should all be comfortably ahead of them, and after that I'd prefer to bring in some of the kids.
The comments on McTominay are so harsh. For a CM he’s still actually not that old, he’s still learning - look how long it took Carrick and Fletcher to hit their strides. Additionally, he’s clearly best playing box to box and he’s been learning in a dysfunctional side. I’d personally keep him unless his personality isn’t right for the coach.
Despite what I said above, if he moves, he has Everton written all over him.